Romjuan said:
i was glad you responded jophil because you always seem to hit me with advice that is dead on, however with what you said here i have to give you a lil more detail. so after date 2,3 and 4 ive made my moves as far as sex goes. weve gone through the make out, lay with each other naked, and actually last time we were together a week ago i went down on her. she keeps holding the sex out because in her words, she wants " to make it special and thinks we should wait till 2 weeks worth of dates." since then, this was the first time we hung out since she said the two week thing so thats why i did not try anything in the hot tub. also there were other people there too that live in the apartment thatwere in the hot tub. the only two things i can think about that stand out that had to make a change in the hot tub are 1. she was not atracted to my body because i do not have a flat stomach, i have a gut. or 2. she thought i finished college and she was suprised while we were in the hot tub i was still working on my degree. she kept saying she thought i finished. those are the only two things that stand out that could have made a difference from our hot tub.
I think and this is from personal experiance.
This girl is simply dangelling the carrot on a string to you, she probably as no intention to put out but for reasons women know, she loves the attention.
These to me are the worst type of women you can date, they offer you snippets of sex and like a lap dog they watch the guy jumping at each chance to get the se* and then they pull it away, it's like one big game.
No healthy normal women acts like this chick does, unless she is simply playing you. now do you have to conform or slot into a certain frame or come out with something magical or romantic to fuc* her?!!
Don't bother trust me on this, the sex wont be anything amazing and if anything your first fumble with her, she will no doubt act like a sack of potatoes and expect you to do all the work.
These women are out there and I believe 100% you have found one.
Now some guys will blame you, I wont - Simply because when a women makes you work for sex, like this, the sex is never worth it and neither is she.
Yes women take work to fuc*, but having some broad lie naked next to you, get a bath with you and freeze you out too - is a straight example of a blue balling, ball teaser who takes alot of power in pulling this shi*, more so than actually fuc*ing you.
Could you break down the defences?! Dont bother like I said, your time would be better invested elsewhere.
Probably a total freeze out is the way to go-
It will go two ways, if her IL is high enough she will initiate contact, at that stage, you should play it coy, like your a busy man and she is encrouching on your time, and then and only then will she probably put out, because she will sense that sex is the only thing to reel you back in, then 100% definate about this, she will freeze you out again.
I predict this with 100% certainty.
Edit - Just the simple case of her allowing you to go down on her tells me without any doubt in my mind what is going on here.
In truth your supplicating to her sexual demands and lowering your own personnal power - but on the other hand this is the type of girl who would make you do those things - it's not really a reflection on the type of guy you are, more of what your willing to tolerate.
Further edit - it's not that these women value sex, or the institution of marriage or some other moral code BS - like we need to excuse her action of that of a dainty flower, it's simply better for her and more rewarding to see you jump through her hoops and get the power over you -
A little bit like offering a dog a snack and pulling that snack away - it's a fun game, some women do this with sex - This is one of them! The snack isn't worth it and if anything if that dog had any sense he'd learn to open the fridge door and get his own.
