Need Help with Deads

[PhatE1vis]

I've been lifting for about 3 years and have finally come to the realization that I've been doing it all wrong, like most of the guys I see in the gym. Lots of isolation exercises, with little concentration on compounds.

I've been converted (thanks in part to some stuff I've found here - I'm looking at you Warboss Alex - thanks!). In the few months I've been concentrating on squats I can see decent gains in size and strength.

I know I need to dead lift, but to be honest, I'm a little intimidated. I know what it LOOKS like, but I've never done it. Can anyone point me in the direction of the best way to learn proper form and technique? Unfortunately, I don't know anyone personally who can provide tips, and I've NEVER seen anyone at my gym do them (sad).

 

[Drum&Bass]

Ask any personal trainer, Gym Manager or fitness host on staff.

I know I need to dead lift

False, deadlifting is a good compound exercise but not necessary.

 

[Quagmire911]

Ask any personal trainer, Gym Manager or fitness host on staff.
False, deadlifting is a good compound exercise but not necessary.

Most of the people you outlined, particularly from a commercial standpoint, don't have a clue.

Your second statement wasn't very relevant. Anyone who has access to free weights, is in good health, and is looking to put on muscle and strength would be stupid not to incorporate some form of deads into their training.

---As for the phatelvis, congratulations on taking the steps to doing things correctly. Here are some good articles on form-

http://stronglifts.com/how-to-perform-the-deadlift-with-proper-technique/
http://stronglifts.com/what-pulling-back-on-the-deadlift-really-means/
http://stronglifts.com/5-reasons-your-lower-back-hurts-when-doing-deadlifts/
http://stronglifts.com/7-tips-for-a-safer-deadlift/

Good luck,

Quagmire

P.s.-Start of slow and practice technique with a barbell on its own. Then up the weight as necessary.

 

[Drum&Bass]

right but some guy named quagmire from the UK who has zero credentials and knows nothing about fitness except what he reads from the internet and other people who post on a message board does have a clue..

Anyone who has access to free weights, is in good health, and is looking to put on muscle and strength would be stupid not to incorporate some form of deads into their training.

False, deadlifts are good exercise but NOT necesary. I do them and I advocate anyone in good health to do them..but reality is they are not necessary.

 

[Quagmire911]

right but some guy named quagmire from the UK who has zero credentials does have a clue..

I am not getting into a trolling match with an ignorant know it all. I am sorry there are people like you on this board spreading misinformation, and that guys have to go through the trouble of discerning what is right and wrong because of it.



I will be happy to provide what help I can to the OP, if he needs it.

Quagmire

Ps.-You repeated what I said in my quote.

 

[Warboss Alex]

right but some guy named quagmire from the UK who has zero credentials does have a clue..

I have seen Quagmire's deadlift; his form is textbook and he hits PRs consistently. The 160lb, 14" arm 'personal trainers' at my gym do good mornings and call them squats.

I know who I'd rather take advice from.

False, deadlifts are good exercise but NOT necesary. I do them and I advocate anyone in good health to do them..but reality is they are not necessary.

For optimum, overall back development they are necessary. They are to the back what squats are to the legs. Rows and pullups/chins are great but can only take you so far.

The video on stronglifts site is great for form, but I would use more leg drive (obviously he didn't need it on such a light weight).

 

[Drum&Bass]

quagmire may have great form, and you may be quick to talk trash about personal trainers..but to say all personal trainers don't know what there talking about and someone posting on a forum is a better tool for learning about lifting is RIDICULOUS and elitist.

If you go to a gym ask a personal trainer to give you hands on help..I don't care what anyone says on these boards. A personal trainer or someone who has experience in fitness who can give you INTERACTIVE HANDS ON HELP is FAR BETTER THAN WATCHING some video on the internet.

 

[Warboss Alex]

yes, hands on help is always way better if the helper is competent - but there is no guarantee of that.

 

[Quagmire911]

quagmire may have great form, and you may be quick to talk trash about personal trainers..but to say all personal trainers don't know what there talking about and someone posting on a forum is a better tool for learning about lifting is RIDICULOUS and elitist.

If you go to a gym ask a personal trainer to give you hands on help..I don't care what anyone says on these boards. A personal trainer or someone who has experience in fitness who can give you INTERACTIVE HANDS ON HELP is FAR BETTER THAN WATCHING some video on the internet.

The fact of the matter is most personal trainer qualifications etc, don't cover deadlifts. I didn't say ALL trainers, you are a **** that is looking to get into an arguement. The fact of the matter is, I know how to deadlift and can provide information on it, whereas your average trainer is more worried about the pec deck machine and doesn't have a clue. I agree it is BY FAR better if you can show someone in person and it is obviously preferable. It is much better learning to deadlift from videos, online information etc as I have however, than spending your days confined to curls or whatever.

As for learning how else do you propose people learn other than read, if those around them know nothing about deadlifting, squatting etc? Maybe I should have prayed to the Lord Almighty and ask him how to lift weights?

Would you ask someone who couldn't drive, how to drive a car? Didn't think so.

Your posts are inconsistent, your arguments irrational. You blindly jibber on about new points when your old ones are proved wrong. In your last post for example you bring out several new points and talk about them as if we have disagreed when they haven't yet been covered.

Quagmire

Ps.-You'll see my bloody credentials soon enough you bastar*

 

[Drum&Bass]

Once again Quagmire FALSE, before becoming a trainer you are given a test to demonstrate technique and muscle groups affected for EVERY MAJOR EXERCISE.

In order to become a certified personal trainer YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST KNOW HOW TO DEADLIFT and all other power and olypmic lift techniques...and thats just the basics (the easy stuff) that is required to be a trainer.

I didn't say ALL trainers, you are a **** that is looking to get into an arguement.

I was talking to WA not you.

whereas your average trainer is more worried about the pec deck machine and doesn't have a clue

thats a myth..but I will say that myself and other trainers get clients with disabilities and we can't have them using free weights, we need to be able to use some kind of resistance to stress their muscles so we have no choice but to use machines.

It is much better learning to deadlift from videos, online information etc as I have however, than spending your days confined to curls or whatever.

If you have no other way of asking an expert and have NO OTHER OPTIONS besides the internet then by all means go right ahead..but seriously THIS IS 100% NOT LIKELY.

Ps.-You'll see my bloody credentials soon enough you bastar*

awesome, I hope you do well..cause I've already got them and experience and a majority of satisfied clients who have reached their goals safely,injury free and have re-signed with me.

 

[kickureface]

people who look consistently into personal trainers for help aren't interested in strength

 

[spesmilitis]

PhatE1vis,

Ignore Dum&Bass, he is consistently at odds with those who are respected the most on this forum. I'm not even why he keeps posting, no one here likes him.

Don't take my word for it, look up his embarrassing post history.

 

[Mr.Positive]

You can do what I did. I researched form on the internet, bodybuilding.com, stronglifts site, etc..and posts on this website, and then practiced with light weight to get comfortable.

At one point, I saw a guy, a professional lifter, doing deads at my gym with a lot of weight and got his opinion. He gave me some great tips, and really helped fine tune my deadlift.

Once you get the form down, deads are a great exercise. Just make sure you have the form down.

 

[KarmaSutra]

What is the best grip for deadlifts? I've seen guys use underhand, overhand and even one hand alternate.

 

[Drum&Bass]

I just checked the video for Stronglifts Deadlift technique..I'm surprised no one seemed to noticed that after he brought the bar up he bent his knees to soon forcing him to bump into them and then bring the bar out and then down instead of a straight line down to the ground, matter of fact someone even mentions his mistake in his blog comments..

FLAWED DEADLIFT(i won't even mention the incorrect way he holds his head at the beginning of the lift)

tough talk from alotta rookies but the proof is clearly seen that stronglifts does NOT have proper form for a deadlift..NICE WORK GENIUSES !

 

[stronglifts]

I just checked the video for Stronglifts Deadlift technique..I'm surprised no one seemed to noticed that after he brought the bar up he bent his knees to soon forcing him to bump into them and then bring the bar out and then down instead of a straight line down to the ground, matter of fact someone even mentions his mistake in his blog comments..

FLAWED DEADLIFT(i won't even mention the incorrect way he holds his head at the beginning of the lift)

tough talk from alotta rookies but the proof is clearly seen that stronglifts does NOT have proper form for a deadlift..NICE WORK GENIUSES !

Everybody saw it. It's in the comment & I replied to it. You read it. Stop trying.

I hate people spreading myths & misinformation. Especially about fitness, strength training, building muscle, losing fat. And I must say, you're doing a very great job at it. Makes me wonder if you're paid for this. You lack knowledge. You lack experience. And you probably lack results.

Main reasons a lot of people don't get results is because they don't squat neither deadlift, but spend hours doing bench press/curls. PhatE1vis sees the light, he wants to start to deadlift & you tell him to go back doing chest/biceps.

You tell people they don't need to deadlift because you don't know
1) How to perform them correctly
2) How to teach them

You seem to have your own method Drum & Bass. Why don't you post some pics & videos? Let's see who walks the talk here. Cause that's the only thing I care about. I don't care about having a label "personal trainer" "doctor" "physician" "NSCA" "ACSM "ACE" whatever. I care about results.

What I hate even more is that I'm losing time responding to you, while I could help others that want to be helped. Troll.

 

[stronglifts]

What is the best grip for deadlifts? I've seen guys use underhand, overhand and even one hand alternate.

Palm facing you. Once grip starts to give out switch to an alternate grip. No straps.

 

[KarmaSutra]

Let's see:

Stronglifts has a blog with which he goes out of his way to help others while D&B spouts about how wrong everyone is but does absolutely nothing to contribute. Sounds like an armchair theorist to me. Put up or shut the fvck up. I mean pics, vids, and a blog where you help others.

D&B likes to squawk and finger point but does absolutely nothing to back up his bullsh1t.

Looks like just another big mouth New Jersey know it all. Me thinks he wants his post count to get closer and closer to that Master Don Juan status by any means necessary.

 

[stronglifts]

I've been lifting for about 3 years and have finally come to the realization that I've been doing it all wrong, like most of the guys I see in the gym. Lots of isolation exercises, with little concentration on compounds.

I've been converted (thanks in part to some stuff I've found here - I'm looking at you Warboss Alex - thanks!). In the few months I've been concentrating on squats I can see decent gains in size and strength.

I know I need to dead lift, but to be honest, I'm a little intimidated. I know what it LOOKS like, but I've never done it. Can anyone point me in the direction of the best way to learn proper form and technique? Unfortunately, I don't know anyone personally who can provide tips, and I've NEVER seen anyone at my gym do them (sad).

This article will help you on deadlift technique. Check also starting strength which is the best book to learn how to deadlift, squat, bench press, overhead press etc.

 

[spesmilitis]

I just checked the video for Stronglifts Deadlift technique..I'm surprised no one seemed to noticed that after he brought the bar up he bent his knees to soon forcing him to bump into them and then bring the bar out and then down instead of a straight line down to the ground, matter of fact someone even mentions his mistake in his blog comments..

FLAWED DEADLIFT(i won't even mention the incorrect way he holds his head at the beginning of the lift)

tough talk from alotta rookies but the proof is clearly seen that stronglifts does NOT have proper form for a deadlift..NICE WORK GENIUSES !

For this record, this is how strong lifts responded

"Eq_909. It shouldn’t indeed. Here’s why it does. The closer the bar to you, the less stress on your lower back. As you know, I had lower back problems in the past.
This is one of the habits that I took since then: keeping the weight as close as possible to me. It hits my quads (not the knees!), but puts less stress on my lower back. Which I prefer."

This response is right below the post you mentioned you saw. I guess your reading comprehension is as bad as your knowledge on strength training.

Once again Quagmire FALSE, before becoming a trainer you are given a test to demonstrate technique and muscle groups affected for EVERY MAJOR EXERCISE.

In order to become a certified personal trainer YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST KNOW HOW TO DEADLIFT and all other power and olypmic lift techniques...and thats just the basics (the easy stuff) that is required to be a trainer.

Apparent you must 'absoulutely must know' is not good enough. Here you mention its a lower back exercise:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=130359&highlight="lower+back"

Deadlifts are a back exercise NOT a leg exercise. If done correctly your lower back and the area around your shoulder blades should be getting punished.

Drum&Brass, is there any poster anywhere (this forum or any other strength forum) that respects you?