Muscle (& height)...how much does it matter?

[Zarky]

Give me the strength to change the things I can change, the.. fvckin' patience or whatever to tolerate the things I can't change.. and the wisdom to know the difference.

Or however that old saying goes. Applies here.

 

[Just a Shot Away]

It seems you didn't even try to comprehend my post.

Being shorter than average or in my case 5'6 is a huge handicap. There is no way to deny it.

It's only a handicap because you VIEW it as a handicap. Therefore, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and it manifests yourself in every aspect of your game and how you approach women. I'm 5'11 and I'm willing to bet you get FAR more chicks than I do. It ain't a handicap.

In order to make up for being short, the guy needs something amazing that is going for him. It could be fame, money, ridiculous good looks, killer game, iron clad self-confidence or some kind of really good talent. I'm sure there are others that I missed

Sure, dude. Blame your lack of success on your height. How random is that? "Oh yeah, I would get girls...but I'm 5'6". That's just retarded.

 

[RZA26]

Whether being short is a problem or not is somewhat of a mysery for me (btw, I'm not short):

I have 2 friends who are short (5'6) and they do as bad as anyone when it comes to women. One of them has actually been overly aggressive when it comes to approaching, yet no chick ever ended up being interested in him. It certainly wasnt an inner game issue for him, b/c he was more aggressive and did more approaching than anyone I know, it just never worked out for him.

On the other hand I know 2 guys that height (around 5'6 or 5'7) and they do well with women. One of them has tan skin & is very good-looking overall (I would say). The other one however, I really don't know what prevents that from being a problem for him (as for the 2 guys I mentioned above), he always had/has a good-looking girlfriend, and he isn't handsome or anything.

 

[kingsam]

Whether being short is a problem or not is somewhat of a mysery for me (btw, I'm not short):

I have 2 friends who are short (5'6) and they do as bad as anyone when it comes to women. One of them has actually been overly aggressive when it comes to approaching, yet no chick ever ended up being interested in him. It certainly wasnt an inner game issue for him, b/c he was more aggressive and did more approaching than anyone I know, it just never worked out for him.

just because the two conditions exist (short and no women) doesnt mean they are cause and effect

thers a lot more too it than just height,
some girls may not like short guys, BUT there is a lot more going wrong with your freinds, just coz he approaches "aggressivly" dont mean he can escalate or close - that is probably more to do with his lack of sucess than his height

5'6 is equal or taller than atleast half the chicks around,

 

[Maxtro]

I'm 5'11 and I'm willing to bet you get FAR more chicks than I do. It ain't a handicap.

You obviously don't know who I am.

Anyways, I never blamed my inability to get girls solely on the fact that I am 5'6. One thing I can, say is that if I was taller, I would be more attractive to women. That does not mean that if I was 5'10 I would have had a girlfriend by now.

I blame my lack of success on having low self-confidence, self-esteem. The fact that I don't have good game, lots of money, very good looks and I'm not really talented in something.

There is no point in trying to deny that the shorter a man is, women are less attracted to him physically.

5'6 is equal or taller than atleast half the chicks around,

And being 5'8 means that you are equal or taller than at least 90% of women.

 

[Just a Shot Away]

Why wonder?

It's just better to be muscular...height you can't control.

Exactly. Why bother whining about things you can't change? Especially when it doesn't even have any bearing on whether or not you can bed lots and lots of hotties?

There is no point in trying to deny that the shorter a man is, women are less attracted to him physically.

Yeah, you're right. Shaquielle O'Neal is considered FAR more attractive than Johnny Depp (he's over a foot taller, after all). Stop making excuses, man. You're not going to suddenly start getting all kinds of chicks if you magically become "very good-looking" or "talented." That's a myth propagated by those who have not experienced the other side. It is indeed a self-confidence/esteem issue, which theoretically you can change.

 

[AmIAFC]

I can't speak about height since I'm barely 6', but being a muscular guy has never given me a pass outside of the first impression.

As someone stated earlier, most good-looking girls will not overlook a guy's weak game and social skills on account of their fit bodies. I'm living proof of that, as I've seen guys on the opposite end of the fitness spectrum snatch hot chics while I've been left holding my d*** because I can't maintain conversation or interest.

It's especially frustrating for me because I can attract most chics initially but then I fall apart during the course of the conversation.

 

[garruk]

one of hte best things ive heard is that "looks will get you the audition, but its up to you to get the part".

 

[Tesl]

You obviously don't know who I am.

I admit, I laughed when he said that too

(I actually reread most of your old threads because I was curious, it was eye opening!)

On topic, for what its worth, I'm only 5'7 and don't have many problems. Then again, I did move to Japan, and being relatively taller here does a lot to boost my confidence

 

[2crudedudes]

Okay, since we're on the topic of physique, I'll spare making another thread:

I'm 5'9 and weigh ~220 lbs. This is the fattest I've ever been, and the fattest I'll ever be (so long as I can help it), since I'm making it my current mission to lose the beer belly.

My question, how likely is it that this will be a genuine issue with good-looking women? Now before anyone tells me to lose weight, I'm already working on it, its just gonna take time. I know its a little hypocritical to expect a nice looking girl when I'm this fat, but big/ugly chicks aren't really my thing.

Should I stop gaming women until I've lost the weight, or do I have an honest chance? Should I just settle for whatever I can scrape from the bottom of the tank until I'm in better shape? Thanks in advance.

 

[2crudedudes]

with a quote like that in your sig. i'd say you don't have a chance even if you are fit.

Hahahaha. That's a comedian who, appropriately enough I suppose, OD'd a few years ago and died. Still, the guy was pretty damn funny, and that was one of his shorter quips I could get on my sig.

 

[Zarky]

I don't understand why that quote is so terrible. Lots of women use drugs and they're often very fun. I've know a couple of coke girls and they were eye-popping and probably the most cool and fun chicks I ever hung out with.

Plus Mitch Hedberg was a crazy genius.

 

[yuppaz]

Along these lines, I went from 215 ish to 165 (lean not too skinny) and the attraction was starting to come when I got to around 185, at 165 I was too skinny...now I'm bulking and at 175 and attraction is back and rockin' big time. I'm average height at about 5'10 and have a bit of a baby face, but get DDB eyes once in a while so must be attractive. It's really just getting your foot in the door though, unless the girl is really into looks. Beyond that I've blown it an immeasurable amount of times because I failed to make a connection w/ the girl.

btw you can lose the fat really fast with a body building program that also includes some HIIT cardio, but focus on the lifting first, you'll get to keep your big leg muscles which you'll be happy about later... If I wanted to do it again, I would immediately start eating 6 times per day with mostly protein and some fats, and a small amount of complex carbs for daytime meals only, lowfat cottage cheese w/ pineapple before bed. You can lose it REALLY fast, I sh*t you not.