Multiple women seem like a lot of work.

[metalwater]

I think what puts me off redpill is it feels like people have been indoctrinated into a cult or something. To me It gives off a women hating vibe to me and it seems like it's based in bitterness.

I'm only looking at it from the outside. So probably totally wrong. You know , kinda feels like guys are announcing they have been unplugged from the matrix and now completely understand the inner workings of the human mind and understand all behavioural science from a few books and YouTube video's.

Regarding my attitude with women, if I'm honest with myself I'm a little bit of a user, inside relationships and out. I tend to take more than I give back.

Mabye it's something inside me that's broken. I don't know. Mabye I should go to therapy or something. I think I'm seeking to understand myself at the moment.

I suppose they way I am is why I'm not afraid to fall for women pretty easily because I know deep down I can fall in love do the relationship thing and be totally fine if it doesn't work out.

It's like women are replaceable even the ones I'm head over in heels in love with. You know like I know there are so many women that are out there that are totally compatible with me and they super easy to find.

I was speaking to my male friends the other day about this and they were ****ing horrified about my attitude toward women. Even though deeply I love women and love to do the long term relationship thing, they said I was a monster and cold hearted for seeing women as replaceable.

I tried to explain to them that women are like icing on a cake to me. I have my life , I like to be grounded in my self and a women is just an addition to my life and is why they are replaceable.

They made feel like I was seeing women as a "pet" and compared my view on relationships similar to the relationship I have with German shepherd (which I deeply love).

I didn't understand their point because I love my with all my heart.

I couldn't understand their point?

Very good, that is already in the right direction. Closer to red pill than you think.

The path to being cucked.. is to be a provider without options. You don't have to ever use an option as long as the woman and you know that it is only because of your choice that you do not. The other part is to never trust... I know that sounds ugly, but it's not that bad. Just know your environment and understand it and all of the other men in her view. Don't worry.. but do pay attention and interfere any time it is needed. ALL women can be gamed if given enough time and access and talent of the man. It does not mean they are bad, it means they behave in known ways. The more feminine/sexy the woman the simpler it is to game her if the man knows how, I know that is counterintuitive.

pet.. well men and women are not the same just as the pet and you are not the same. it's good if she sees you as your dog does.

the only thing that matters in the relationship is her interest level in you.

lots of RP men get stuck in the rage and forget to move on to the action part and improvements.

 

[Loki.7]

Very good, that is already in the right direction. Closer to red pill than you think.

The path to being cucked.. is to be a provider without options. You don't have to ever use an option as long as the woman and you know that it is only because of your choice that you do not. The other part is to never trust... I know that sounds ugly, but it's not that bad. Just know your environment and understand it and all of the other men in her view. Don't worry.. but do pay attention and interfere any time it is needed. ALL women can be gamed if given enough time and access and talent of the man. It does not mean they are bad, it means they behave in known ways. The more feminine/sexy the woman the simpler it is to game her if the man knows how, I know that is counterintuitive.

pet.. well men and women are not the same just as the pet and you are not the same. it's good if she sees you as your dog does.

the only thing that matters in the relationship is her interest level in you.

lots of RP men get stuck in the rage and forget to move on to the action part and improvements.

What's wrong with trust ? That's what I don't like about this redpill thing. It's as if you're expecting women to screw you over. I believe that could be a self fulfilling prophecy, as in whatever is in your mind has a habit of becoming a reality.

I don't want to make that part of my world.

I'm not saying I'm immune to that happing to me and sure I'm not oblivious to the signs but having the mentality where you think all women are bad and expecting to me the victim all the time just doesn't sit right with me.

I'd rather give trust, live without concerns and if it does cut her from your life.

 

[Dash Riprock]

I have nothing against those who want to date multiple women simultaneously. Women do it all the time. I just don't have, nor do I care to create, the time to do it. I own a business, workout 7 days a week, play sports, have guy friends, and have other interests. Plus, I like and need down time. Throw in 3-4 women and I'd feel like a dog chasing my tail. Women are a huge time suck. I *could* make time for one good one but that has been as elusive as finding bigfoot--and teaching him to tango and mix a martini.

I'm a little older but over the past 5 years as I've been 100% single, I've found the ROI (I=my time) in dating is a losing cause. I estimate I've dated maybe 70-80 women. Kind of like buying a stock for $100 and turning around and selling for $20, over and over. I'm at a point now where dating is such a low priority, it almost churns my stomach to think about the whole process and heavy lifting involved in terms of finding someone worth dating and investing in the relationship. I'd rather hang out and hike with my Doberman. Better company.

I'm on some hookup sites and get a lot of messages and responses, but even that loses it's luster after a while as these women are usually one maybe a two and done. There is one about half my age I see semi-regularly but she's an exception.

So my advice is to date at the level you're comfortable with but NEVER lose sight of you, your goals, your purpose, and your passion. And if you don't know what these are, FIGURE THEM OUT.

Women should NEVER be the driving force in a man's life.

Ciao,

Dash

 

[bat soup]

Personally I like a "good girl " , and do that connecting thing. Plus I find the idea of someone I'm sleeping with, could be sleeping with other men really off putting.

Women almost always portray themselves as "good girls". A lot of them act as if they don't know what a dik is. You won't know the real deal until you've been in a relationship for years and even then, you can never be 100% sure.

 

[Loki.7]

I have nothing against those who want to date multiple women simultaneously. Women do it all the time. I just don't have, nor do I care to create, the time to do it. I own a business, workout 7 days a week, play sports, have guy friends, and have other interests. Plus, I like and need down time. Throw in 3-4 women and I'd feel like a dog chasing my tail. Women are a huge time suck. I *could* make time for one good one but that has been as elusive as finding bigfoot--and teaching him to tango and mix a martini.

I'm a little older but over the past 5 years as I've been 100% single, I've found the ROI (I=my time) in dating is a losing cause. I estimate I've dated maybe 70-80 women. Kind of like buying a stock for $100 and turning around and selling for $20, over and over. I'm at a point now where dating is such a low priority, it almost churns my stomach to think about the whole process and heavy lifting involved in terms of finding someone worth dating and investing in the relationship. I'd rather hang out and hike with my Doberman. Better company.

I'm on some hookup sites and get a lot of messages and responses, but even that loses it's luster after a while as these women are usually one maybe a two and done. There is one about half my age I see semi-regularly but she's an exception.

So my advice is to date at the level you're comfortable with but NEVER lose sight of you, your goals, your purpose, and your passion. And if you don't know what these are, FIGURE THEM OUT.

Women should NEVER be the driving force in a man's life.

Ciao,

Dash

Thanks man. That was a really interesting read.

 

[IKO69]

It isn't if you don't care. If you are trying to appease all of them, then yeah, it will be a lot of work and it won't be long before things go sideways.

If you don't have any particular attachment, then it's easy like a sunday morning.

 

[metalwater]

What's wrong with trust ? That's what I don't like about this redpill thing. It's as if you're expecting women to screw you over. I believe that could be a self fulfilling prophecy, as in whatever is in your mind has a habit of becoming a reality.

I don't want to make that part of my world.

I'm not saying I'm immune to that happing to me and sure I'm not oblivious to the signs but having the mentality where you think all women are bad and expecting to me the victim all the time just doesn't sit right with me.

I'd rather give trust, live without concerns and if it does cut her from your life.

I get it, I know what you mean.

Its reality. All women are not bad, that's the difficult point of this. Bad or evil is not what it is. Have you had a chance to read the Red Queen.. Human biology causes humans to act in specific ways. (sorry if this sounds geeky). The overriding program in women has to do with evolution success. She needs a place to raise a baby and she wants the best sperm to make a baby. No requirement in her programming tells that the provider of the safety and the sperm to make the baby must or even should be the same man. Put that together with the fact that most men will place their dik in any woman they can. There are men around that have been gaming LTR women for years and know exactly how, when, and who.

Water is not bad because it runs downhill. Women are not bad because they behave in predictable ways.

Don't want you or any other to worry, just accept and live. Enjoy women one or many, I do better with one at a time but it ONLY works for me now because that one is sure it is only due to my choice as the lineup for replacement is obvious. But even so, the girl is only one ovulation day away from getting another seed from whoever is swinging hard that day. There is no such thing as love from a woman to a man. There is a scale of interest, with the highest interest being emotionally driven and the lower ones logic-driven. Emotions are driven by hormones; period. It is not a contest to find a woman that can be trusted, the choice is to protect her as you would a dog or replace her when needed. If you read this forum long will see that many men are ALWAYS next all women because they can not be trusted. In truth the women can not even trust themself, the biology inside of them is just as strong as it is in men.

Your right, the dream is lost. As a test, try to stop a male dog from chasing a female in heat.. good luck with that.

 

[Georgepithyou]

It's like having a job, it's always easier to find a job when you already have one. Whenever i had a girlfriend i always had an easier time attracting women. I don't know why exactly

 

[RBK]

I have nothing against those who want to date multiple women simultaneously. Women do it all the time. I just don't have, nor do I care to create, the time to do it. I own a business, workout 7 days a week, play sports, have guy friends, and have other interests. Plus, I like and need down time. Throw in 3-4 women and I'd feel like a dog chasing my tail. Women are a huge time suck. I *could* make time for one good one but that has been as elusive as finding bigfoot--and teaching him to tango and mix a martini.

I'm a little older but over the past 5 years as I've been 100% single, I've found the ROI (I=my time) in dating is a losing cause. I estimate I've dated maybe 70-80 women. Kind of like buying a stock for $100 and turning around and selling for $20, over and over. I'm at a point now where dating is such a low priority, it almost churns my stomach to think about the whole process and heavy lifting involved in terms of finding someone worth dating and investing in the relationship. I'd rather hang out and hike with my Doberman. Better company.

I'm on some hookup sites and get a lot of messages and responses, but even that loses it's luster after a while as these women are usually one maybe a two and done. There is one about half my age I see semi-regularly but she's an exception.

So my advice is to date at the level you're comfortable with but NEVER lose sight of you, your goals, your purpose, and your passion. And if you don't know what these are, FIGURE THEM OUT.

Women should NEVER be the driving force in a man's life.

Ciao,

Dash

Fantastic post. As an older guy I agree with this. As you age you just don't have the mental bandwidth for women and their bull****. Especially girls 21-28. After that they are looking to settle down with billy beta bucks as they are expiring and want kids and a family. That same women will cheat as she will eventually get bored of him.

Work on YOU as a man. Noone ever lost women chasing money.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Fantastic post. As an older guy I agree with this. As you age you just don't have the mental bandwidth for women and their bull****. Especially girls 21-28. After that they are looking to settle down with billy beta bucks as they are expiring and want kids and a family. That same women will cheat as she will eventually get bored of him.

Work on YOU as a man. Noone ever lost women chasing money.

Agreed.

It's interesting, through the property of transference, I can tell how 99% of all guys treat the women I date and communicate with; IRL or OLD. These women are used to always getting their way, having the guy be at their beck and call, showering them with compliments, and putting up with their childish and generally b*itchy attitude. I come along and set them straight, disappear, or just laugh at all this when I'm with them. Some get more attracted and some jump ship.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

How's that work though? Do they know about each other ? If they don't how are you passing their little tests to check you aren't seeing anyone else ?

I just spent 3 days with a women that isn't even my girlfriend. Caught her a few times trying to find out if I was seeing anyone else, glancing at phone, questions and subtle little things to try catch me out.

I think I'd struggle with always trying to hide the other women.

Maybe honestly would be the best policy? Although I'd like them to be exclusive to me.


Basically what I've always done is see one girl at a time, then move onto a new girl if either of us are not feeling it.

You are under the assumption that if a woman knows you are sleeping with other women she knows that is a bad thing.

You need to change your mindset.

That will do more to get you laid than pretty much anything else you can do.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I've not been single long and got one women really into me, that I'm sleeping with. Also got A few other potentials which I've sort of let frazzle out and fade into the background.

Mainly ignored the other women because it seems like a lot of work / hastle. It just seems easier to roll with just one at a time and not put the effort into trying to juggle.

I do like the idea of spinning plates or whatever it's called.

BUT Women are not robots and once you start connecting and sleeping with them emotion gets deeper. Having to deal with multiple emotional women that will eventually turn a bit needed seems draining to me and sort of breaks the fantasy.

Convince me otherwise.

The ****kk is the alternative? Most marry the first girl off the carousel aka red pill marriage lulz. It don't end well.

Must take your shot whether you just busted a nut. Not play house with sluts. It is draining so you treat it like a MARATHON not a sprint. You start a biz or side hustle. You have other things going. You lift, travel, you have a exciting life that you CREATE SPACE ACTIVELY bringing women into OR #NEXT!

I am going places in life. Real talk women can come along or get left behind. Act accordingly.

Approach a handful EVERYDAY. I once ran a train on a college slu and my wing and I left TO GO GET MORE GIRLS. you don't got to take it to that level of debauchery or go FULL DE-GEN! I'm saying nut up and step up. Not the marriage dating coach campaigning game from the man cave of house hubby. Most guys aren't getting laid never mind the white picket fence with a feminine fit wife. Go get it man.

No excuse for not shooting your shot a handful of times everyday. Virtually no burnout.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Fantastic post. As an older guy I agree with this. As you age you just don't have the mental bandwidth for women and their bull****. Especially girls 21-28. After that they are looking to settle down with billy beta bucks as they are expiring and want kids and a family. That same women will cheat as she will eventually get bored of him.

Work on YOU as a man. Noone ever lost women chasing money.

The problem is that leads to McGregor ktfo 1x and now bionic. That lack of fire is why guys get cucked and divorce raped.

Not saying that your life should be chasing girls. no girls is wackkkk. That said a man needs to source. No fatties OLD but actually manning up and rolling up on girls.

The analytics is all there. Most guys are low T. Aren't shooting their shot. Don't approach. can't pull. I know guys who married their 1 and only lay or guys who married a girl who was regularly gang banged.

This is where masculinity is at in 2021. It's pathetic.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

For me, it worked for a few months. But I found it’s not sustainable.

 

[PRW63]

I do like the idea of spinning plates or whatever it's called.

BUT Women are not robots and once you start connecting and sleeping with them emotion gets deeper. Having to deal with multiple emotional women that will eventually turn a bit needed seems draining to me and sort of breaks the fantasy.

Convince me otherwise.

No need to convince you otherwise. I generally agree.
But there are a few things I'd do differently.

• Keep it to just two or three,...most of the time two
• Don't get too deeply involved, so there is no sex with them, so the emotions don't get deeper
• It doesn't go for a long time. I know after just a couple dates if I want to bother with her
• To expand on the previous point, I am exposed to them via my social life before I date them. So often I rule them out as a possibility even before I ever offer a first date.

You have to look the purpose of the "Spinning Plate" idea,...and not treat it as an entity or "goal" in and of itself. The purpose for it is to prevent you from getting Oneitis that results in stupid decisions,...it is just a coping mechanism. A well known RP guy, Richard Cooper always says, "Women are to be an addition to your life,...not the focus of it".. So if you don't have, or get, Oneitis and make stupid decisions,...then mission accomplished,...you've accomplished the goal. For myself, I have enough of a strong constitution to my personality that I can date one woman at a time at this point in my life and still not get Oneitis and make stupid decisions. I can even go for long stretches of time without dating anyone at all,...and I am perfectly fine. Why? Because as Richard Cooper says, "Women are to be an addition to my life,...not the focus of it".

 

[RBK]

The analytics is all there. Most guys are low T. Aren't shooting their shot. Don't approach. can't pull. I know guys who married their 1 and only lay or guys who married a girl who was regularly gang banged.

This is where masculinity is at in 2021. It's pathetic.

You can blame feminism and the public destruction of masculity for this. Men are raised by women now and they are taught this validation behavior.

Masculinity is being destroyed by the media daily.

 

[PRW63]

It's like having a job, it's always easier to find a job when you already have one. Whenever i had a girlfriend i always had an easier time attracting women. I don't know why exactly

The one you have validates you to the others watching from the sidelines.

 

[PRW63]

I think what puts me off redpill is it feels like people have been indoctrinated into a cult or something. To me It gives off a women hating vibe to me and it seems like it's based in bitterness.

That isn't RP. That is what people interpreted and built from their exposure to RP. For example RP presents the science that shows how getting Oneitis is going to hurt you. Spinning plates was created as a way to prevent Onteitis, but spinning plates on its own in not RP. RP doesn't tell you to spin plates, it just exposes the danger of Oneitis.

The women hating vibe was always there in the people you are hearing it from,...they just use RP to justify or bolster it. To come up with a completely stupid example to illustrate...Let's say you have a Psychopath that loves to shoot people, so he uses the speed limit as his justification and stands on an overpass and shoots anyone breaking the speed limit. There was nothing wrong with the speed limit,...it was just a Psychopath using it to their own advantage. Ok, yea, stupid example, but I just needed something quick off the top of my head.

There is another group involved in that too. It is the "new" ones who come to RP. They have just been slapped in the face with the reality that the Sweet Polyanna Disney World that have believed in all their lives was a lie,...they see the years of their whole past life was a big waste and they can never get those years back. So they are angry, and they blame women for it because they think they have to blame somebody, and they want some level of vengeance against women who have become the target of their anger. If any of these guys manage to polish up the pickup skills they become the Pump & Dumpers and every time they ruthlessly cast a woman aside it is kind of like, "Ha! Now we're even!". What they don't realize is that the woman are victims of this whole mess too. The women have been lied to by Feminism all their lives too, some have been damaged beyond repair from it.

 

[mjb3617]

That isn't RP. That is what people interpreted and built from their exposure to RP. For example RP presents the science that shows how getting Oneitis is going to hurt you. Spinning plates was created as a way to prevent Onteitis, but spinning plates on its own in not RP. RP doesn't tell you to spin plates, it just exposes the danger of Oneitis.

The women hating vibe was always there in the people you are hearing it from,...they just use RP to justify or bolster it. To come up with a completely stupid example to illustrate...Let's you have a Psychopath that loves to shoot people, so he uses the speed limit as his justification and stands on an overpass and shoots anyone breaking the speed limit. There was nothing wrong with the speed limit,...it was just a Psychopath using it to their own advantage. Ok, yea, stupid example, but I just needed something quick off the top of my head.

There is another group involved in that too. It is the "new" ones who come to RP. They have just been slapped in the face with the reality that the Sweet Polyanna Disney World that have believed in all their lives was a lie,...they see the years of their whole past life was a big waste and they can never get those years back. So they are angry, and they blame women for it because they think they have to blame somebody, and they want some level of vengeance against women who have become the target of their anger. If any of these guys manage to polish up the pickup skills they become the Pump & Dumpers and ever time they ruthlessly cast a woman aside it is kind of like, "Ha! Now we're even!". What they don't realize is that the woman are victims of this whole mess too. The women have been lied to by Feminism all their lives too, some have been damaged beyond repair from it.

You make some valid points about the perception of RP and how it's applied by "new" ones.

As someone who was recently red-pilled, I understand how my perception of everything has changed. With that being said, I don't hate women, but learning to accept how they really are. It's not easy since I've been led to believe lies for most of my life.

From my point of view, it's a cope to newly RPd guys to just flat out hate women. I also view RP as mostly self-improvement and that it shouldn't coincide with hating anyone or anything.

Everyone has a different take on RP and I'm just offering mine. I still have a lot to learn and it's better late than never. I look back on my past relationships and encounters with women and just cringe at how beta I was.

My biggest issue is letting my emotions control me. RP, Rollo, Darius on YT, lurking this forum, and others have helped me tremendously in the arena of improving my life.

 

[Loki.7]

That isn't RP. That is what people interpreted and built from their exposure to RP. For example RP presents the science that shows how getting Oneitis is going to hurt you. Spinning plates was created as a way to prevent Onteitis, but spinning plates on its own in not RP. RP doesn't tell you to spin plates, it just exposes the danger of Oneitis.

The women hating vibe was always there in the people you are hearing it from,...they just use RP to justify or bolster it. To come up with a completely stupid example to illustrate...Let's you have a Psychopath that loves to shoot people, so he uses the speed limit as his justification and stands on an overpass and shoots anyone breaking the speed limit. There was nothing wrong with the speed limit,...it was just a Psychopath using it to their own advantage. Ok, yea, stupid example, but I just needed something quick off the top of my head.

There is another group involved in that too. It is the "new" ones who come to RP. They have just been slapped in the face with the reality that the Sweet Polyanna Disney World that have believed in all their lives was a lie,...they see the years of their whole past life was a big waste and they can never get those years back. So they are angry, and they blame women for it because they think they have to blame somebody, and they want some level of vengeance against women who have become the target of their anger. If any of these guys manage to polish up the pickup skills they become the Pump & Dumpers and ever time they ruthlessly cast a woman aside it is kind of like, "Ha! Now we're even!". What they don't realize is that the woman are victims of this whole mess too. The women have been lied to by Feminism all their lives too, some have been damaged beyond repair from it.

I started to read the rational make out of curiosity. I'm not that far into the book buy so far it just seems like common sense and nothing groundbreaking.

Mabye it changes further into the book?