Jesse Pinkman
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Maybe I am partially agreeing with @Fruitbat here (but not completely) and @nicksaiz65 and his question inspired this thread I almost didn't want to post. On the other hand, I feel like this had to be posted even if it might not apply to most guys on here. I have been doing pickup on and off for a few years and in the past year, got back into the community due to my social circle being dispersed after the pandemic. Whether it is from a few years ago or with wings I meet now, I have to call out the elephant in the room.
Majority of the guys doing pickup in major cities, or in general, do not have their $hit together.
I was asked by @nicksaiz65 how these pickup guys afford to live in such major cities. Well, most of the times these guys are living with parents, siblings, or relatives in the outer areas of the cities and then making long commutes into the city solely for game. Let me talk to you about some extreme examples of wings I met:
1. Guy in his 40s, still in "grad school", lived with aunt in Queens, and then commuted to Manhattan on weekends to do nightgame. Went to bars, wouldn't drink, and collected numbers that turned to nothing.
2. Guy in his mid-30s, lives an hour+ away with his cousin, and makes long drives past midnight to nightclubs to "game" and drives back empty handed 5 AM in the morning.
Now those are two extreme examples and I cut off contact with both. Neither guy got laid but was super invested into pickup and all the theories. At some point, someone has to tell these dudes to get their priorities straight. Now I know guys who talk to me about money not mattering will bring up the DJ at a strip club or the club promoter who sleeps on the friend's couch. Alright, well those guys actually geared their entire life towards getting laid instead of pathetically halfa$$ing it. Most of all, even though the guys I brought up were extreme examples, this is a lot more common than you think with dudes who do pickup and get into it.
It is so sad to see because these guys are wasting dollars and hours only to go out and talk to girls while their logistics and station in life make any fruitful relationship or even regular lays highly improbable.
Now I am not knocking guys who are financially struggling here, I understand.
Some guy living with his mom at 30 but trying to go all in on his finances, career and education, I get. I get the guy who has fallen on hard times and has to move back in with the folks but is getting his life together now, more power to that guy. What I am going after are the guys who are in this situation but are all in on the pickup community, spamming up pickup boards and chats with theory, going out to run nightgame every weekend, and have little to show for it. Meanwhile, the rest of their life is falling apart. These are the guys who cannot get their priorities straight.
"Come on Pinkman, the economy is tough and every man needs to get his d1ck wet."
Alright I'll entertain both. Maybe the economy is tough but millions of young people out there, despite the doomsday rhetoric, are making it happen in their careers. Tons of people are applying themselves and getting their careers straight first. As for the romance part, I am not saying that these men should avoid talking to women. I am saying that these men are deluded into thinking that as someone that can barely afford to live on their own in the outskirts of town, that they can somehow make long commutes and be the Hugh Hefner they dream of. These guys need to be snapped out of this nonsense for their own good! Most of them are better off doing low volume game, learning actual social skills, and not being that annoying spam approach creep.
Worst of all, the red pill, MGTOW, Manosphere, and even PUA celebrates this stuff and encourages this delusion in men.
"Live with your parents at 30, its smart"
"Screw society man, don't get a job, you don't want to be a provider"
Nonsense like this is breeding a generation of weird social outcasts that become the laughing stock of society. Then we wonder why we have instances like the Toronto Mall Fiasco where entire malls are telling people to be weary of PUAs. I am not saying that every guy who lives with his mom at 30 is a loser. What I am saying is that the guy that cannot afford to live on his own is better off getting his career and finances in check first before being that loser that spam approaches teenagers at malls.
Now here is where me and @Fruitbat tend to disagree, once that guy does have his $hit together, THEN he needs to focus on game and invest a few years on it.
You got your career figured out, can live on your own, afford a decent living situation, and all of that. Now, instead of waiting around for women, you go out and truly practice game. Your logistics are better, you are not driving 2+ hours to go to the club and then driving 2+ hours back. You have your $hit figured out and can now focus on actually improving with women which you need to do. While it is not as bad as the spammy PUA that lives with his mom, you do not want to be the typical middle class guy who gets drunk with friends and relies on social circle to marry a 6. Instead, this is where you spend those Saturday afternoons to run some daygame and nights to run some nightgame.
"Oh come on Pinkman, very few men are actually making it bro, you are telling literally 80% of men to opt out of game"
First of all, I never said that the guy who cannot afford to truly live in a major city should be an incel. I said that guy is better off getting his $hit together and perhaps focusing more on quality in his local area. Maybe his laycount is lower than 50 for the year but he can have five quality girls in a year who give him a good time for the time being.
However, my point is that exactly though. It is time to tell guys that very few men actually have the circumstances and resources to be that big city playboy with 100+ lays a year and that is okay. Pickup filled the minds of normal guys with lies that they can all live with their moms an hour outside the city and somehow commute to go clubbing after an hour long drive and still pull models because "it's all about game bro!".
It's time to get real. Most men would be happy to date a 7 (above average looking girl).
Most men would give an arm and a leg to sleep with 10+ girls who are above average looking in a given year.
That is completely okay.
It is time to stop selling obvious lies that some random guy who barely has his $hit together can get a model every month because he has "game".
Majority of the guys doing pickup in major cities, or in general, do not have their $hit together.
I was asked by @nicksaiz65 how these pickup guys afford to live in such major cities. Well, most of the times these guys are living with parents, siblings, or relatives in the outer areas of the cities and then making long commutes into the city solely for game. Let me talk to you about some extreme examples of wings I met:
1. Guy in his 40s, still in "grad school", lived with aunt in Queens, and then commuted to Manhattan on weekends to do nightgame. Went to bars, wouldn't drink, and collected numbers that turned to nothing.
2. Guy in his mid-30s, lives an hour+ away with his cousin, and makes long drives past midnight to nightclubs to "game" and drives back empty handed 5 AM in the morning.
Now those are two extreme examples and I cut off contact with both. Neither guy got laid but was super invested into pickup and all the theories. At some point, someone has to tell these dudes to get their priorities straight. Now I know guys who talk to me about money not mattering will bring up the DJ at a strip club or the club promoter who sleeps on the friend's couch. Alright, well those guys actually geared their entire life towards getting laid instead of pathetically halfa$$ing it. Most of all, even though the guys I brought up were extreme examples, this is a lot more common than you think with dudes who do pickup and get into it.
It is so sad to see because these guys are wasting dollars and hours only to go out and talk to girls while their logistics and station in life make any fruitful relationship or even regular lays highly improbable.
Now I am not knocking guys who are financially struggling here, I understand.
Some guy living with his mom at 30 but trying to go all in on his finances, career and education, I get. I get the guy who has fallen on hard times and has to move back in with the folks but is getting his life together now, more power to that guy. What I am going after are the guys who are in this situation but are all in on the pickup community, spamming up pickup boards and chats with theory, going out to run nightgame every weekend, and have little to show for it. Meanwhile, the rest of their life is falling apart. These are the guys who cannot get their priorities straight.
"Come on Pinkman, the economy is tough and every man needs to get his d1ck wet."
Alright I'll entertain both. Maybe the economy is tough but millions of young people out there, despite the doomsday rhetoric, are making it happen in their careers. Tons of people are applying themselves and getting their careers straight first. As for the romance part, I am not saying that these men should avoid talking to women. I am saying that these men are deluded into thinking that as someone that can barely afford to live on their own in the outskirts of town, that they can somehow make long commutes and be the Hugh Hefner they dream of. These guys need to be snapped out of this nonsense for their own good! Most of them are better off doing low volume game, learning actual social skills, and not being that annoying spam approach creep.
Worst of all, the red pill, MGTOW, Manosphere, and even PUA celebrates this stuff and encourages this delusion in men.
"Live with your parents at 30, its smart"
"Screw society man, don't get a job, you don't want to be a provider"
Nonsense like this is breeding a generation of weird social outcasts that become the laughing stock of society. Then we wonder why we have instances like the Toronto Mall Fiasco where entire malls are telling people to be weary of PUAs. I am not saying that every guy who lives with his mom at 30 is a loser. What I am saying is that the guy that cannot afford to live on his own is better off getting his career and finances in check first before being that loser that spam approaches teenagers at malls.
Now here is where me and @Fruitbat tend to disagree, once that guy does have his $hit together, THEN he needs to focus on game and invest a few years on it.
You got your career figured out, can live on your own, afford a decent living situation, and all of that. Now, instead of waiting around for women, you go out and truly practice game. Your logistics are better, you are not driving 2+ hours to go to the club and then driving 2+ hours back. You have your $hit figured out and can now focus on actually improving with women which you need to do. While it is not as bad as the spammy PUA that lives with his mom, you do not want to be the typical middle class guy who gets drunk with friends and relies on social circle to marry a 6. Instead, this is where you spend those Saturday afternoons to run some daygame and nights to run some nightgame.
"Oh come on Pinkman, very few men are actually making it bro, you are telling literally 80% of men to opt out of game"
First of all, I never said that the guy who cannot afford to truly live in a major city should be an incel. I said that guy is better off getting his $hit together and perhaps focusing more on quality in his local area. Maybe his laycount is lower than 50 for the year but he can have five quality girls in a year who give him a good time for the time being.
However, my point is that exactly though. It is time to tell guys that very few men actually have the circumstances and resources to be that big city playboy with 100+ lays a year and that is okay. Pickup filled the minds of normal guys with lies that they can all live with their moms an hour outside the city and somehow commute to go clubbing after an hour long drive and still pull models because "it's all about game bro!".
It's time to get real. Most men would be happy to date a 7 (above average looking girl).
Most men would give an arm and a leg to sleep with 10+ girls who are above average looking in a given year.
That is completely okay.
It is time to stop selling obvious lies that some random guy who barely has his $hit together can get a model every month because he has "game".
