Most girls aren't into hooking up on the first date.

[RickPound]

I’m going to quote something that a member posted as advice on a thread of mine a few months back. It was something like this...

“Fellas, are we not players here?”

C’mon boys!

 

[GreatHornedOwl]

Projection, every post you make is borderline concerning.

Ive simply stated women are extracting huge amounts of resources from men, under the word "dates".

have you not noticed how average class women are tagging themselves in photos at upmarket bars? with the groups of girls?

How do you think a a woman earning 9 pounds an hour has the cash to go to an upmarket bar?

simple, she hasnt had a food bill this week. Kevin, Steve, and Dave have covered her food bill

No, you are the one projecting by implying all these women are extracting all these things from men. It's your view of women that probably stems from a past negative experience, and now you're convinced that every woman is going to do this. It's a defense mechanism to protect yourself.

You are the one doing it, don't accuse someone else of it. That is the DEFINITION of projection.

 

[Vision88]

the type of women most of us date do.

Date different types of women.

I used to go to bars when I was younger to meet women... thought all women were ranging alcoholics who were drama queens... then I switched to daygame and my whole world changed.

 

[JonnySays]

Actually, it's true... you can have sex on the first date. The chances of her being a thot are high though but sometimes she hasn't had some in a while because she broke it off with her lame ex or she's a nerd (sex freaks) who hasnt had sex for a while. I use the iPhone game flip cup for this reason. Girl love placing bets just as much we guys do

 

[metalwater]

It's not about the free meal. It's about the attention and validation. All women love this. All women love having orbiters because it makes her feel desireable. Alphas don't provide much consistent validation because they are abundant, so she's gotta get her validation from somewhere - this is where Alpha fux/beta bux comes in.

Women need attention and validation like oxygen. She doesn't "need" free meals, and has no genuine respect or attraction for a guy who pays for her chit. In fact, she'll laugh about it to her friends. She gets validation/feels desirable from the betas, and the master seed/alpha fux from the alphas.

yes; unless she actually needs free meals...

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

This is a small number of girls, and usually the ones in big cities. If you look at survey research, sex among teens and 20 year olds is actually down. Most people don't actually ever meetup online -- this is part of the social autism that has inflicted 20 somethings in the US. I think there's a perception vs. reality issue here. Perception: girls are hooking up with guys left and right, because they're so hard to get on dating apps. Reality: most girls aren't leaving the house. They're stuck in their online worlds where they get a lot of fake praise and attention. It's even worse after COVID. The girls I know that are hooking up online are land whales or over 40.

There are plenty of chicks all over the place that aren't completely socially lost but you can only find them offline. Personally

Reality = most girls are obese liberals with hair dyed either green, purple, or blue

 

[EyeBRollin]

...And the rate is accelerating.

No. Divorce rates have dropped due to the pandemic.

The other 50% are at perpetual risk.

Everything with human beings is a risk. If you don't want risk, buy a pet.

What proportion of the other 50% are getting cheated on, or she's actively lining up her new options? Women are expert plane spinners and can mirror their devotion for you until she has a firm monkey branch option. All of you BluePills in relationships use inductivist logic - "My woman has been with me for 5 years. She would never do that to me."

Also, it's all about opportunity. Some women see their husband as the best she can get. But the minute that changes she has all the incentive in the world to trade-up (financial incentive, cultural incentive, hypergamos incentive).

That's exactly the way the game works. That's why men must strive to be the best they can and also screen properly. As I've suggested to the vast majority of men in the population, wifing up an HB8+ is just playing with fire. Can you afford all those problems?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Bullsh!t. Tell that to Bill Gates. Also, it's widely reported that domestic violence incidents have exploded during the pandemic, so relationships are under strain.

Wrong.

You're in a relationship because you're lonely and you require female companionship to "complete" you. You're not taking a risk because you can't exist without a woman's love and affection. It would be far riskier for you to be a single bachelor, because you only have provider game you'd end up having a mental breakdown from continually getting financially abused by women who laugh at you.

If a man is actually the best he can be, then he doesn't need an LTR because he has an abundance of options.

You're in an LTR because you're in scarcity mindset. Truly successful men don't need an LTR. They get an abundance of affection from an abundance of women.

These are a pointless ad hominems and strawmen.

Men who desire children and legacy are not served by being a single bachelor until they die. Marriage becomes a necessary evil as it has best outcomes for children and confers statistically significant increase in both life longevity and personal income.

Anyone who thinks freedom is banging slootbag hoes until they become 70 and their balls are dripping on the floor, that is their choice. I don't begrudge them for that. Some of us just are on a different path.

 

[SW15]

I respect you as a poster on this forum, but you've been in a number of LTRs over the course of your dating life, IIRC.

Your views on women have naturally become quite Blue Pill.

A guy who doesn't get laid until he's been on 3 dates with Girl X and spent a total of $217.34 does not know what he's doing.

LTRs are not bad things if a guy is getting laid constatntly in them.

It is ideal not to spend a lot of money to get laid but spending $217 on 3 dates and getting laid is better than spending $217 on 8 dates with 8 different women and not getting laid. In the situation of spending $217 on 3 dates and getting laid, the idea is that there's more than 1 instance of sex and the cost per bang is reduced as time goes on with that woman.

 

[EyeBRollin]

You posted an article that surveyed some married people (undisclosed how many) that asked them if they were happy. This proves nothing. People lie in surveys all the time.

The article also makes it pretty clear that some married people are staying together because of lockdown stress. What happens when lockdowns end? Divorce surge.

Divorces are down my friend. I know it hurts your narrative.

Regarding children and legacy, that's fine if you want to shackle yourself to that.

Legacy is more important to some of us than our personal wants.

Having gender dysphoric children who are being born into a world of madness isn't my idea of a legacy. Your children will be even less likely to breed than you are. Your daughter will likely be a barren feminist and your son will likely cut off his own d1ck and turn into a woman too.

This falsely assumes parents have limited influence on their own children.

My alternative to children is bang women overseas, impregnate them and then escape without government obligations for child support. Keep in touch with the mothers and send them money from time to time. Works for me.

Knock yourself out man. That’s the beauty of choice.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Marriage is a massively risky and poor deal for men. You won't find a single intelligent guy in the Western World who thinks that marriage is a good idea. I know that hurts your ego investment.

I don't disagree with that. It is however, still the best situation to raise children. I do not advocate for men who don't want children to get married.

If your kid comes home from school and wants a sex change because all their friends think it's cool, then you have to accept it. If you deny your child's right to be trans or gay then you're transphobic and homophobic and you'll be arrested.

You can try and influence your kids all you want, but it takes a village to raise a child and the village is currently gay as fvck.

That's a needlessly pessimistic outlook.

 

[EyeBRollin]

It's not needlessly pessimistic. Children in the West today are being born into a gender dysphoric world where the definition of what a family is has become inverted. I would advocate having children in a country that has a proper family-based culture. Maybe Eastern Europe? Raising a child in the West is child abuse.

It's not the best situation at all. When your wife decides she's had enough, then she'll divorce you on a whim, take the kids, and now your legacy has become mentally retarded children of a bitter single mother. Meanwhile, you're stuck with funding the whole mess under pain of getting arrested and jailed. It's a significant risk that just isn't worth taking when there are better options out there for perpetuating your genes (if that's your goal).

Guy, we don't live in dystopia. Women are not soulless vampires. We are not helpless men.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

This is just downright dangerous advice and denial. Women are not literal vampires, but they will fvck you up without mercy given the right circumstances. Men literally are helpless legally speaking.

There's 2 worlds at play here. There's the world that exists in your head (idealism), and there's the real world (realism).

Actually the legal system will favor what's right. Not prefer one gender over another.

You are obviously again speaking from little to no experience.

You should take your own advice about idealism vs realism.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Tell that to the guys that are forced to pay child support for kids that are not even theirs.

1. Are you sure that actually happens? Can't they get a DNA test?

2. If he wanted partial custody and could get it, it would lower the burden.

One thing I'll say is that it's unfair to whichever partner has highest income.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

You're either a troll or a lunatic.

"The legal system will favor what's right. Not prefer one gender over another" - you need immediate help. I suggest electro-shock therapy to zap some sense into your beta-diseased mind.

All your posts come from zero experience.

What's your job btw? Do you even have one? Annual income? You're going to pretend this is irrelevant?

Guys like you who constantly try to talk down to people are obviously hiding something.

 

[Vision88]

Ive fished in every pond, I am religious on top of it. Attractive women generally are having a lot of sex, so if they are without a boyfriend for a long period of time then you are simply naive to believe they are not having one night stands and fwb. They are very good at time management and sneaking them in, especially with online dating. This is something confirmed more by having female friends more than just dating women. I recall having a fwb(but more on the friend side) and texting all day on a weekend with maybe a 45m gap. In that 45m, she tells me, she met some random guy at the library, went home, and fvcked. This is a girl next door type, no mental issues or anything like that.

FWIW, I agree that most women aren't into hooking up on the first FORMAL date, with the type of guy they would even bother going on a formal date with.

I'm not saying they are or they aren't. I'm just saying that there are a lot of people who are claiming a lot of bull**** without any facts to back it up here.

If you think most attract women are generally having a lot of sex, that's fine. It's a theory that may or may not be true.

The only studies that I've seen on this go back to 2004, before the hookup culture really started. I know a lot of men and women have given up on relationships altogether and they're just banging people... but there are a lot of women who haven't as well.

Are women who want something real still going out and banging some random dude they met at the library? I don't know... I'll let the facts speak for themselves. What I do know is that your beliefs shape and dictate what you experience in the world.

If you believe that all the women you meet are hooking up with whoever, whenever and have no control over it because they're women and get attracted, you're going to have a very different experience of life and women than if you believe that there are still some women out there who haven't or don't randomly hook up with guys.

The problem you're having here is you're believing what women SAY they do, versus what they ACTUALLY do.

Women hide their sexual behavior from BluePills (and it's obvious to see why). BluePills will slut-shame her for having fast sex with dudes she is attracted to - so she plays the purity fantasy for BluePills.

Women have a very small window where they are young and beautiful to maximise their dating/mating opportunity. If a guy comes along that she is super attracted to then she can't afford to wait for sex (and she doesn't want to either).

No, I don't believe ANYTHING. I barely even believe the research studies because I know a lot of them are biased.

I'm just calling out people who are 100% on what 100% of women are doing because it's nonsense that is made up in their heads and spouted on YT by Red Pill Yters who make their money getting men riled up on their YT channels, spilling half-truths and bull****.

If you want to believe it without solid evidence, go ahead. I'm not going to stop you. But it's bull**** and you should probably recognize that it's bull**** that nobody knows is true or not.

What's true is that we live in the hookup culture where lots of people are just ****ing each other, men and women, without any regard to anything long term. That does make it more difficult for men and women who want real relationships.

Is it everyone though? I seriously doubt it. Even the stats are saying that 17+% of women have been celibate for the last year. That doesn't mean that they weren't before that or won't be afterwards but they aren't engaging in the hookup culture, for sure. And a lot of the women who aren't celibate are probably in relationships.

My guess is that the number of women who actually just go out and will bang some random chad, is much smaller than what everyone thinks it is. I could be wrong but it's hard to make a determination on that without seeing ANY evidence. I'm certainly not going to take the word of some red pill YT guy who makes a living on telling angry men what they want to hear to keep them tuned in.

 

[Pandora]

No. Divorce rates have dropped due to the pandemic.



Everything with human beings is a risk. If you don't want risk, buy a pet.



That's exactly the way the game works. That's why men must strive to be the best they can and also screen properly. As I've suggested to the vast majority of men in the population, wifing up an HB8+ is just playing with fire. Can you afford all those problems?

Divorce rates have greatly increased since the plandemic. This is a fact.

 

[Pandora]

Just because this particular girl exists doesn’t mean it’s ALL women.

This is a straw man argument. Of course not ALL women do this. The argument was never all. We said the MAJORITY of 18-25 yr old women on dating apps have had at least 1 one night stand. How is this difficult to accept?

 

[Pandora]

Massive fail.

Divorce Rates Are Now Dropping. Here Are Some Reasons Why. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Once I go home I will send links that prove divorce fillings went up during the pandemic. I am on my phone now so I cant do it.

So a quick retort to your article is this. Divorce rates over all are dropping because less people are getting married in general. The few people that do marry stay together longer. It is a form of selection bias. Also, they are not looking at these couples over a 20yr span.

 

[Pandora]

Why the pandemic is causing spikes in break-ups and divorces

Divorce rates are increasing around the world, and relationship experts warn the pandemic-induced break-up curve may not have peaked yet.

www.bbc.com