Morals will lose you the game.

[ChristopherColumbus]

One word. Authenticity.

Yes, and I believe that the 'authentic self' is always something other than the way it represents itself to itself in the self-conscious ego that we are supposed to identify ourselves with these days.That was a mouthful.

So the authentic self is always fluid and in flux. It can not ossify into one view of the world and itself, whether the world is interpreted along the lines of morality or game. Sometimes it will act as if the world is game, at other times as a moral concern, and at other times as other concerns. It is a juggling act dependent on the concrete circumstances you happen to find yourself in, and your desire or intent of the moment. It's an organic, developing and dynamic view of self.

 

[Poon King]

Great discussion and a lot of good points.

Truth be told, both the people supporting "game" and "authenticity" are correct. There are no absolutes in life. You start to lose the game when you limit yourself and start to following "rules" just because. All rules should benefit YOU otherwise f*ck 'em. There is something ingrained in beta males that they need to follow "rules" and have structure to everything they do in order to feel confident or comfortable. I prefer to "wing it" because every situation is different. I care about my goals.. not so much about following "rules". Where it gets confusing for some is understanding what a goal is really worth (this requires wisdom). For instance.. my goal might be to f*ck a new woman I met.. but NOT at the price of my dignity, self-respect or pride. So I give more value to my dignity than I give to success with a particular woman.

How you play the game depends on what you value. You can look at powerful dictator men like Hitler and Pablo Escobar and you will notice they were all very manipulative of the people around them. They were authentic when it worked for them and they used "game" when it worked for them. They didn't really limit themselves in any way. The "goal" was all that mattered to them. They placed higher value on their goals than on human life (even their own lives). Pablo Escobar had many opportunities to "surrender".. but surrendering meant failing at this goals.. so he chose death (achieve your goals or die trying is the alpha male motto).

In my own life I prefer to be authentic simply because it takes less energy and it weeds out people who are a waste of my time. When I was younger and my top priority was poon, I used "game" and PUA tricks a lot more often. Now I only use "game" when its convenient. Like when I'm about to f*ck a woman and she asks some idiotic question first. I'll give her a "game" response just to keep it moving. I'm all about efficiency and using as little time, energy, and money as possible to achieve my goals. I hate "waste" of any kind. This is why I only give attention to women with high interest rather than trying to "raise their interest" with manipulation and complex analysis. Not worth my time (or yours).

 

[Starting]

In my time on this forum I've had a lot of people bring up morality in regards to women and why they will or will not do something. I've suggested flaking on them, mind games, cheating in relationships, etc. to get what you want and some forum goers have trashed me for it. It's 2016, almost 2017, and I say morality is all but dead. Accept it, or lose.

In an age where women are more entitled than ever, where they are wasting the time of men left and right, playing mind games, and generally being useless overly dependent dregs who think they should be treated like queens despite their kingdom being Daddy's bank account... it's time to fight fire with fire. We need to use every dirty trick in the book. No method, unless criminally illegal, should be dismissed. And I say this not from a perspective of an assh*le, or from a guy who has no luck with them, (I've been rather successful at least as far as lays go, having sex with over 30 different women at 27 years of age) but from a perspective of a man who has learned the hard way that morals simply lead to a loss.

You either win or lose. Once you start realizing you hate losing more than you love winning, the means it takes to get the win will no longer bother you. Myself, I aim to only win from now on. You should do the same; no matter what you have to do to get there.

That's the mindset I have, I lost once and I'll do everything in the book to never lose again. All I want to do is win. No matter the consequences, I'm always leaning toward dark Machiavellian strategies and sociopathic tendencies because it works.

 

[playa99]

Im not sure I got the meaning of the last lines, could you please elaborate.

It can be beneficial to give a bully a taste of their own medicine to prevent them from continuing their negative behaviour.

I was bullied at a young age because I was weak, it was only when I began to become assertive and beat a few of the bullies up that things changed.

@guru1000 another great post brother!

Fluidity and balance along with maintaining your frame are absolutely paramount.

I am striving to get to the level where 'game' is 99% internalised. This is where there is no game.

As you think you shall become. The thought comes first, backed up by action.

 

[blind_one]

In my own life I prefer to be authentic simply because it takes less energy and it weeds out people who are a waste of my time. When I was younger and my top priority was poon, I used "game" and PUA tricks a lot more often. Now I only use "game" when its convenient. Like when I'm about to f*ck a woman and she asks some idiotic question first. I'll give her a "game" response just to keep it moving. I'm all about efficiency and using as little time, energy, and money as possible to achieve my goals. I hate "waste" of any kind. This is why I only give attention to women with high interest rather than trying to "raise their interest" with manipulation and complex analysis. Not worth my time (or yours).

Fluidity and balance along with maintaining your frame are absolutely paramount.

Could not have said it better Guru, Playa and Poon king.

Calibrate, internalize and adapt, just like in bussiness. If you stagnate , you lose.
Using low effort for the highest gain.

 

[Slash Dolo]

You have women so high on the pedestal you'd sell your figurative soul for it.

You're so backwards your assh*le is thinks it's your d*ck.

When you're standing at the top, the only pedestal you see is the one you're standing on. This is a natural progression. While you are getting butthurt and writing threads on here about "nexting" 5 women in a week, those 5 women will be notches on someone else's bed post. You'll learn the hard way mate.