Mexico Complains That Texas is Sending National Guard Troops to the Border

[Mike32ct]

Yeah it's a red herring. Americans won't go to college for computer programming either if you fill all the jobs with visa workers from India. If it even were the case you can't get legal citizens to do a job, then you're not meeting the labor market's demand.


The illegal aliens taking jobs on the lower end is just part of it. Immigrants are filling $100k/year government and contracting jobs ahead of Americans on the other end.

The US doesn't need and really can't sustain anymore immigration from anywhere.

Exactly.

The comprehensive bill isn't just about Mexican and Central American immigrants. It would also greatly increase the H-1B visas to bring in workers from other countries.

Glossary/translations:

HB-1 = ugly chick lol

H1-B = foreigner to take a job because there is such a "shortage" of Americans looking for work in skilled areas

We're gonna secure our border = Each administration will put up a few miles of "token fence" but leave the rest wide open

 

[Special EDy]

Every single one of you are wrong, you cant say "American's wont dont those jobs", because Americans already are. Guess what continent most illegals come from? Are they European? Nope. Asian? Wrong again. Australian? Nope they are almost all Americans. Mexico, El Salvador, Guatamala, whatever, their citizens are all American Citizens.

Just google a map of the western hemisphere and you'll see what I mean

 

[Vulpine]

The world is overpopulated.

Period.

The best solution is an automatic sterilization and a sending back to wherever.

That, or a huge, I mean "open pit mine" huge, mass grave in plain view of the border.

Chemical sterilization is much more humane, and it addresses the problem that people feel is far too great in scope to acknowledge. Much like the global warming issue, it's scope is scary, so people deny that reality.

Hungry kids looking for food? That's how animals migrate. An area doesn't support the population of any animal, those animals expand their traditional territories. There's no need to over-think a simple dynamic. It's the same dynamic at play for "mass exodus from cities" if/when SHTF: no food.

China is ripe for some migration... scary overpopulation.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Every single one of you are wrong, you cant say "American's wont dont those jobs", because Americans already are. Guess what continent most illegals come from? Are they European? Nope. Asian? Wrong again. Australian? Nope they are almost all Americans. Mexico, El Salvador, Guatamala, whatever, their citizens are all American Citizens.

Just google a map of the western hemisphere and you'll see what I mean

Don't be a silly liberal that doesn't believe in nations, borders, nationalities etc. The whole world understands the term "Americans" means citizens from US of America therefore "Americans". Not Canadians, Mexicans, El Salvador, Guatamala and central America, or the various countries of S. America.

And no these illegal Hispanic americans were not doing any of the jobs up north in any meaningful numbers until the US government over the past few years decided to dump them all over United States of America. They're still illegal regardless and we don't need any more immigration even legal from anywhere.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Exactly.

The comprehensive bill isn't just about Mexican and Central American immigrants. It would also greatly increase the H-1B visas to bring in workers from other countries.

Glossary/translations:

HB-1 = ugly chick lol

H1-B = foreigner to take a job because there is such a "shortage" of Americans looking for work in skilled areas

We're gonna secure our border = Each administration will put up a few miles of "token fence" but leave the rest wide open

Yep these immigration schemers are trying to fill all levels of jobs with immigrants, and colleges too.

 

[( . )( . )]

Every single one of you are wrong

Because FEEELZZ!!

Did anyone else just notice this dude went from the "compassion for the noble savage and because whites must pay a penance" angle to "jobs muricans won't do" argument because he saw that other dimbulb use it.:crackup: I suspect we got a bona fide anti-white troll here.

while at the same time trying to say who can marry who, who can have abortions and crap like making me show my ID to vote.

Yeah damn them for wanting non rigged elections:cuss: (nice placement btw, but I could have done it better)
If you're not on the Kenyan commie and his handlers payroll you bloody well should be. That's some A grade shilling.

I voted red the last two presidential elections, but tbh.....

Suuuuure ya did

 

[Poonani Maker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdEkHd04msQ

 

[rascal99v]

Yep these immigration schemers are trying to fill all levels of jobs with immigrants, and colleges too.

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:crackup:

Yeah, Julio who crawled under the fence from Mexico is a high commodity to get an executive management job. A guy who can't speak a lick of English with no college education is going to get the nod over a dude who put in 4 hard years at a Big Time University. When Julio tries to fill out the paperwork to get on the company pay roll with no Social Security Number he will get deported. Don't be so ignorant dude. :yes:

Trust me mate the hotel room cvm stains will get cleaned up.

Yes they will, by a non English speaking person. The same person who was shampooing the carpet in my hotel room with a machine cleaning up my cvm stains. :yes:

Rascal,

I agree with everything you say except for the "American's won't do those jobs".

The only reason we have a lack of workers right now is because of entitlements. In our "compassion" we are giving more money to sit around instead of cleaning up those ***-stained hotel rooms. The illegals will learn that quick enough and won't bother working either.

Right, but Americans aren't going to do those jobs when they can make more money sitting on their ass or working at Denny's.

Illegal Aliens aren't going to risk getting deported by going to the welfare office to get a hand out. They try to stay under the radar as much as possible until they gain citizenship. Then when they do that, they get on the dole. But guess what, they are always new Aliens coming in all time to replace the ones who left. It's a repeat and recycle process.

Another thing, let's say an American did get a job picking lettuce in the field. After two days of that hard work, he is going to say fvck it, I can get more money going on welfare or working at Burger King that requires less work. That's why Americans don't do that work. The farmers and employers of those companies know that. That's why they don't hire Americans and only illegals. They can exploit the illegals and use them for hard work and less pay. If they get pissed off and want more money, they get threatened to be deported so they shut up and do the work.

There used to be a guy on the corner asking for hand outs from people driving by. This dude was late 30's/early 40's and there was no reason why he couldn't get a job.

One day I walked by him and asked him why he doesn't try to get a job. He told me:

"Why the hell should I get a job, when I'm making $200 a day standing out here. I make more in a day than what I would in a week. I get to make my own hours and get my money tax free."

He told me I should do the same. To wear some ratty clothes, make a sign, look pitiful, then get some free money.

Some dude when I was leaving reached out and handed him a $20.

The guy said "See this? A $20. It would take me 3 hours to make this. I got it in 2 seconds."

I haven't forgotten that to remind myself how lazy some people are. This same guy is probably on welfare getting extra money on the side for still doing nothing.

You guys think he is going to clean a room or pick vegetables? :crackup:

But this will end up like feminism. If we just let them in and allow it be socially acceptable, they will start wanting 9 per hour jobs with benefits. They will become entitled.

The problem is, they are being let in to do the hard labor for cheap pay that Americans won't do. No, because they are afraid of being deported without a green card so they shut up and do the work. The employers aren't going to give out any benefits, that's why they hire illegals and not Americans.

Their children get to attend our public schools, taking up resources and the time of the teachers.

Foodstamps, especially if they have kids they get a good amount of that. If your not a citizen you shouldn't get a piece of dog sh!t from our government. I dont care if there are children, they are as illegal as adults.

I agree, but nobody in congress is stepping up to the plate to do anything about it. Do you think congressmen are going to risk their political office, their kickbacks, their friendship with their special interest buddies over the illegal aliens who are making their special interest buddies rich?

Trust me, there is always some one willing to do those sh!t jobs. Plenty of legal immigrants who will do all those jobs you listed above. Legals grew up in sh!t hole cesspools, and still have very little when they get here.

I dont care at all about any of your "they do jobs americans don't want" nonsense. Guess farmers and hotels will have to offer americans more money to do those lines of work if the illegals were deported. So maybe getting rid of illegals would create better paying jobs using that logic.

There is a fallacy with this statement. The legals were once illegal when they got here. The legals want to go to school to get better jobs, they don't want to do those sh1t jobs.

Well, you should care because that's how it is Jack. The farmers are in business to make a profit, they aren't going to give out extra money plus benefits when they don't need to despite what you think. Nobody is deporting them because then nobody would be doing those jobs, companies will be losing money when those jobs are not filled.

But guess what. none of that matters. Illegals need to be deported and kept out because that is the law and that law is to protect our security.

Why shouldn't it matter? That is not the law because it's not being enforced. People are being paid to look the other way so they can stay here and work hard for cheap pay. They should not be here but nobody in congress will do anything about it because they are beholden to their special interest friends who keep them in office. Do you think a congressman in a farming district would even think of that? LOL. No, he doesn't care because he is making money off of it to.

That's a whole lot of hamsterbation as to why the U.S MUST be flooded with third worlders. So basically the jist of your argument is Americans just can't cope without Julio and Abubakur yeah?

Sheesh man, I'd don't have a lot of love for the white European type anymore either but you seem to think they are mildly retarded and can barely wipe their own asses. Makes one wonder how they even coped 5 or so decades ago when the U.S was what 95%? white.

I wonder is it only the white gentiles who MUST have this "help". What I mean does this apply to Asia , Africa and Israel as well? Or is it just those lucky Western white gentile countries that need to get the help?

Here's the point that nobody is talking about.

Liberals have "compassion" for them saying, "Oh, we can't kick them out they have families here and they are working." Even Conservatives said this too.

Conservatives and Liberals are making money off their cheap labor.

Who's actually doing something to kick them out? Nobody, because they all are making money off of them in some way.

 

[( . )( . )]

That's a whole lot of hamsterbation as to why the U.S MUST be flooded with third worlders. So basically the jist of your argument is Americans just can't cope without Julio and Abubakur yeah?

Sheesh man, I don't have a lot of love for the white European type anymore either but you seem to think they are mildly retarded and can barely wipe their own asses. Makes one wonder how they even coped 5 or so decades ago when the U.S was what 95%? white.

I wonder is it only the white gentiles who MUST have this "help". What I mean does this apply to Asia , Africa and Israel as well? Or is it just those lucky Western white gentile countries that need to get the help(to pick the fruit)?

Must say though it's nice of them to leave their own thriving higher civilizations to help out us inept retards.

 

[BeDJ]

If you have studied labor economics, you would understand that immigration boosts higher skilled wages. If you are complacent on not pursuing a higher career path, it's your own fault. Jobs are always and will be a competition. I have the advantage head start for making my career better.

 

[Stagger Lee]

If you really understand economics you'd know that more immigration means rising costs pressures from increased demand and lower wage pressure from increased labor supply.

And a lot of these immigrants get help from their relatives that are established and come here with their bogus foreign degrees and get $100k/year government and contractor jobs.

Illegal immigrants were not doing jobs Americans supposedly won't due in my state since they simply weren't here until the government brought them here a few years ago. So that's a big fallacy.

This country has been going to sh!t especially since the 90's corresponding with opening the flood gates to immigration, and some people will try to tell you immigration has been helping. They'll also tell you how outsourcing is helping too. Might as well throw in feminism and political correct is improving things too. No one should believe this misinformation.

 

[BeDJ]

If you really understand economics you'd know that more immigration means rising costs pressures from increased demand and lower wage pressure from increased labor supply.

And a lot of these immigrants get help from their relatives that are established and come here with their bogus foreign degrees and get $100k/year government and contractor jobs.

Illegal immigrants were not doing jobs Americans supposedly won't due in my state since they simply weren't here until the government brought them here a few years ago. So that's a big fallacy.

This country has been going to sh!t especially since the 90's corresponding with opening the flood gates to immigration, and some people will try to tell you immigration has been helping. They'll also tell you how outsourcing is helping too. Might as well throw in feminism and political correct is improving things too. No one should believe this misinformation.

I don't believe what I presented was total misinformation. I do understand your point of view and would be open to discuss. Perhaps, I let my sh!t Econ degree portray an ego-driven post. If so, I apologize.

America is driven by the wealthy, skilled and educated - developing vaccines and technology. This drive exceeds the need for picking oranges and putting lids on Chef Boyardees. If a highly skilled immigrant, they are more than welcome to. Especially if you consider we compete against other countries for their services, doctors and engineers, since there is a shortage of STEM here. Low skilled workers? Sure, as long as they cost less than their competition. Both high skilled and low skilled immigrant workers benefit the wealthy and educated class.

The only people that get the sh!t end of the stick are the uneducated, unskilled and lower class Americans. They don't have the skills to compete for high end jobs and have cost disadvantages compared to low-wage immigrants.

Should we ban all immigration to America? Doing so, we increase the cost of labor, especially low skill wages substantially. Your $3 milk turns $4 since we need to pay extra to support the equilibrium.

How about screwing over low skilled American workers by helping the poorest and most hungry immigrants? The ones that can get the job done with a lower wage demand? If either can get the job done, it comes down to who gets it done cheaper.

The low skill American workers may hurt if more immigrant competition enter the US. Illegal immigration is even more ideal for the wealthy because they are easier to exploit and most likely won't apply for financial aid or government benefits for fear of deportation. They often acquire faux SSN and have taxes withheld from their paychecks. They wouldn't fraudulently file tax returns so refunds are unclaimed. Perhaps we can say they end up in jail, but I'm sure they are too paranoid with deportation to attempt anything stupid.

The US is not a welfare state, they have been the standard of capitalism for decades. If you want to get rich, there is nothing stopping you. If you want to remain poor, you can do that too. So for the unskilled population, either become higher skill or become cheaper.

Or, demand increased minimum wage. Not only does this cripple local and small business, but also increases income inequality. Big corporations can pass the cost to their supply chain and onto end users. Maybe instead of asking for higher minimum wages based on standards of living, maybe poorly skilled American workers get cheaper and move to India instead of mooching off the hard work of skilled workers in the US.



Edit: I am neither for or against immigration. The intent of the post is to encourage people to pursue a higher skill trade.

 

[user43770]

since there is a shortage of STEM here.

I'm not so sure about that.

http://m.theatlantic.com/education/...-the-science-and-engineering-shortage/284359/

 

[Stagger Lee]

I don't believe what I presented was total misinformation. I do understand your point of view and would be open to discuss. Perhaps, I let my sh!t Econ degree portray an ego-driven post. If so, I apologize.

America is driven by the wealthy, skilled and educated - developing vaccines and technology. This drive exceeds the need for picking oranges and putting lids on Chef Boyardees. If a highly skilled immigrant, they are more than welcome to. Especially if you consider we compete against other countries for their services, doctors and engineers, since there is a shortage of STEM here. Low skilled workers? Sure, as long as they cost less than their competition. Both high skilled and low skilled immigrant workers benefit the wealthy and educated class.

There is not really a shortage of STEM workers. Immigrant workers only benefit the most wealthy class less than 1% of the population.

The only people that get the sh!t end of the stick are the uneducated, unskilled and lower class Americans. They don't have the skills to compete for high end jobs and have cost disadvantages compared to low-wage immigrants.

So when immigrants take part of a limited supply of high end jobs, that doesn't make it harder or impossible for other graduates to get a job. That's pretty ridiculous to claim that.

Should we ban all immigration to America? Doing so, we increase the cost of labor, especially low skill wages substantially. Your $3 milk turns $4 since we need to pay extra to support the equilibrium.

Labor is only a mall part of the cost of a something like a gallon of milk, likely under 10%. So even if one doubled the labor rate, which no one is talking about that much of an increase, it's stil no where near a 33% increase.



How about screwing over low skilled American workers by helping the poorest and most hungry immigrants? The ones that can get the job done with a lower wage demand? If either can get the job done, it comes down to who gets it done cheaper.

The low skill American workers may hurt if more immigrant competition enter the US. Illegal immigration is even more ideal for the wealthy because they are easier to exploit and most likely won't apply for financial aid or government benefits for fear of deportation. They often acquire faux SSN and have taxes withheld from their paychecks. They wouldn't fraudulently file tax returns so refunds are unclaimed. Perhaps we can say they end up in jail, but I'm sure they are too paranoid with deportation to attempt anything stupid.

The US is not a welfare state, they have been the standard of capitalism for decades. If you want to get rich, there is nothing stopping you. If you want to remain poor, you can do that too. So for the unskilled population, either become higher skill or become cheaper.

Or, demand increased minimum wage. Not only does this cripple local and small business, but also increases income inequality. Big corporations can pass the cost to their supply chain and onto end users. Maybe instead of asking for higher minimum wages based on standards of living, maybe poorly skilled American workers get cheaper and move to India instead of mooching off the hard work of skilled workers in the US.



Edit: I am neither for or against immigration. The intent of the post is to encourage people to pursue a higher skill trade.

Immigration isn't just about filling a supposedly surplus of "low skill" jobs. Even if it was your solution that every non illegal become higher skilled would just lower high skilled wages and wouldn't be workable anyway.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I'm not so sure about that.

http://m.theatlantic.com/education/...-the-science-and-engineering-shortage/284359/

There's no shortage. Just employers claiming a shortage partly because they are unwilling to meet the market's demands, e.g., wanting an advanced graduated degree plus specific experience and at low compensation. This happens on the low-end "low skilled", middle and higher ends. Some immigrant can be found to fill positions to undermine labor market demands.

 

[Mike32ct]

Companies love H1-B visas because it's like indentured servitude. You can work the guy ridiculous long hours because if he doesn't put up with it, he can get sent back home.

Even if the company paid the guy same salary as an American, the average effective hourly wage in that field in the US would still be depressed by demanding more "free" overtime hours than an American (who can't be deported) would tolerate.

 

[Poonani Maker]

It's get most gargantuan SCHEME initiated in the 20th century and flourishing (going ahead, forward) today, this, GIVING AWAY OUR WEALTH to 3rd world citizenry...and that's a FACT.

 

[BeDJ]

Lol, thanks for making me look a fool on the STEM growth in the US. I definitely used my assumption from social talk, my bad. Let's get my lack of research out of the way.

This is a very intriguing topic to think about, and not only from an immigration standpoint. As of this point in time, automation is at the least of its development. Driveless cars/semi(s,) software development,automated shopping, self diagnosing medicine, etc. We need high skilled workers to fulfill those technological advances. Coming back to cost, low skilled workers are more in demand to produce them. Econ theory implies that when the wages of low skilled workers rise, the employers of high skilled positions MUST comply because technology is always advancing, they have their hands tied behind their backs. We have yet to build civilization on the moon, we have yet to build a 128TB SSD. It's going to be a thrill ride 10 years from now, let alone 50 years.

We're battling it out with folks making $11 an hour while R2D2 and the golden penis friend is making everyone obsolete.

Having said that in a thread on current immigration policy, I don't think government funded SMB owner Jose will employ top candidate American Joe

 

[Poonani Maker]

Incompetence runs our country! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7SEjNAsGtA