I would say it’s to meet women. 95% of men automatically know they should work out, educate themselves, get money, dress nice, etc. But how to meet and act with women, that’s where they get confused and frustrated. And unless you are genetically lucky, it’s a tough process.I see a lot of the back and forth here as a struggle over what exactly this forum is. Is it a forum for self-betterment, or is it a forum for how to meet women. This 'contradiction' is always going to exist in my opinion in so far as these things overlap. Most tend to polarize to one extreme or the other given that we are habituated to think in binary oppositions to day [ego, cogito, rationalism, ideology etc].
I still think there is potential to find a 'middle way', one that would moderate between the extremes, one that can hold things in the balance.
What frustrates me is when the top players give their advice of:
1) to be successful with women, just get a social circle with women in it. They will seduce you in no time.
2) ignore any test, insult, or game by a hot woman because you should focused on your life mission.
Nobel Peace Prize winners work years and years to years to get a wife, yet sosuave members working 9-5 at an average salary are supposed to chuck women aside at the smallest amount of any disrespect and never get married because it’s beta.
Brutal.