Mendacious B*tches, The Hyprocrisy of Duke University, and Silly People

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This looks to be the next big criminal case in this country.

One of the guys has a prior, and that isn't going to help. I'm not positive, but I think the prior might be admissible. It could depend upon the terms of his plea.

Duke Arrests Roil Elite Campus
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060417085109990002&ncid=NWS00010000000001

Finnerty, however, was charged in Washington with assault after a man told police in November that Finnerty and two friends punched him and called him "gay and other derogatory names." Finnerty agreed to community service.
 

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MrStabAHo said:
Evidence proves that the guys did it...Get over it...


I hope you don't ever have kids Max...

What evidence?
 

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ABC interviewed the cab driver. He will be a star witness for the defense.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1864425&page=1
Unlike many callers, these passengers were waiting for Almostafa outside on the street instead of making him wait in front of the house. And perhaps most memorably, Almostafa was pleased to recount, he received a "nice tip" — $25 for a roughly $17 fare.

My latest theory/opinion/ is:

The accused actually left the party when things started to get out of hand. They knew that it was their ass on the line because they had been the ones to order the stripper. So they wait outside for the cab, which is unusual. They then go straight to an atm, perhaps to generate a paper receipt as quickly as possible. They then go to get food to give an apparent reason for going to the atm and to generate another receipt. Notice that he kept these receipts, of course, which many people do not do. He knew that he had to swipe his dorm key card to get in the dorm, but might not have known for certain that there would have been a record. Everything went so well covering his ass that he gave the cab driver an unusually big tip.

Thus, I think the other lacrosse players are the ones who raped her, and these guys are catching the rap because they were the ones to order the stripper. She might even actually think that it was them raping her, given the chaos of the evening.

Given that they are rich and white, I don't think the DA has a chance to get a conviction. It takes all of the jury voting together to convict. Unless he gets an all-black jury, he's not going to convince twelve jurors that these particular kids are guilty.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
Thus, I think the other lacrosse players are the ones who raped her, and these guys are catching the rap because they were the ones to order the stripper. She might even actually think that it was them raping her, given the chaos of the evening.
Your forgetting the fact that 46 out of 46 DNA tests came back negative.
 

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Listeing to Jim Rome on ESPN 1400, one caller said something to the effect of, 'she's a stripper in front of a bunch of horny, white guys who are like a fraternity, what did you think was going to happen?'

I'm not suggesting it's right, nor SHOULD such things happen, but when you're a stripper, CERTAIN occupations INVITE MORE danger than OTHER's. That's a BASICS fact of choosing a career and also one that INSURANCE companies use to evaluate life insurance ratings and even disability ratings or declines. So if it's WIDELY accepted, then why does raising this point up make it sound callous?

It's not. It's a fact. A male stripper is definately much safer than a female one. Without question. Most male strippers are in fairly GOOD shape, so were he at risk, he should be able to handle SOME women if they attacked him. But send 2 strippers WITHOUT male bodyguard protection, and you're inviting them to drop drugs in drinks (shyt, this happens to NORMAL, clothed girls @ college, how about strippers who work for money, trade their body, and are considered worth less by a good segment of the population?). MOST stripper parties I ever knew of had a bouncer or 2, cost the guys some $400+, or $200 per stripper, and are very 'regulated.' Especially since it occurs on school property or close to it.

Again, this IS general thoughts, and doesn't tie to reality, totally, but a LARGE % of the time, THIS IS WHAT occurs.

A girl was killed in New York, and they found the bouncer at the club might have something to do with it. She was killed at 2-4 am, ALONE, as she was fairly drunk. She abandoned her friends. It's a horrible tragedy, but what do you think happens to a girl, ALONE, drunk, and LATE at night. NOTHING good happens past midnight, even sex occurs during the day, and is better imo. I don't blame her, but if we're dealing with RISKS and EXPECTATIONS, I expect more automobile drunken crashes at night, than during the day. I expect women alone to be accosted. Sad but true.

I highly doubt she was a "HIGH class" escort, one with prudence and intelligence to suggest she had any sort of common sense. For crying out aloud, she went into a horny den of men for money with NO PROTECTION. Most guys here know girls, regular, NON stripper girls who were abused/accosted by a group of men in such a place. Does this not dawn on anyone?

However, it could swing either way. The outcome will be decided, but it's pretty dumb to make this a race issue, even if the lax kids were shouting racial epithets. Again, she's a stripper, which is only legal because she pays her taxes. Otherwise, it'd be illegal like hooking. If the gov. can control, regulate, and tax it, it will legalize it. Case in point, pot, they can't, so they don't allow it. If you grew pot, then you wouldn't buy it, and they couldn't tax it. Tobacco. They can tax and control, since you can't grow it easily enough or produce it to smoke. Alcohol. Again. You can't easily and affordably make it. So its regulated and taxed. They're always looking for new avenues. The internet is the next one.

It isn't right for 1 person to demean another, i don't condone that, but we're regulating MORALS here. She went into their place. If she couldn't withstand the fact they were racial bigots, SHE goes. By staying, being demeaned, and accepting their money, she demonstrated how desperate she was for it, and what a hoe she is. I love all races, but plenty of people don't. And if she doesn't like the racial epithets, GO. She's in their place, taking their money. I say this b/c I heard she called the police or 911 based on the guys yelling racial slurs. Well, if I'm white, and went to some black people's place for business, or even pleasure and I didn't like it, I WOULD LEAVE. I don't have to stay, because it's not public. In the home, we can't regulate morality. If she's threatened, go. Quickly. Leave. But what do you expect?

Did they do it? I don't know. I don't live there. I'm not part of the frat/lax team. And both parties are very sketchy to me. I'm skeptical of BOTH sides.


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You bring up a lot of valid points A-Unit. First your assuming a rape did happen, which I seriously doubt. Anyway, I hear what your saying. It goes to the hyprocrisy of the feminists. They what equality, but don't want to accept the responsibility that goes a long with that equality.

Women feel as they have the right to tease, get naked, seduced, fellate, and in an extreme cases withdraw consent from after they've started the act. Then complain when bad things happen. Nobody deserves to be violated in brutal and hostile manner, but women have to admit they do certain acts that facilliate a rape. When woman realize and accept the fact that primary and inital reason that we as men approach them is so we can get naked and dumb our goo all over their faces, then you'll see the incidents of rape drop.

When a guy wants to get you alone to in his place, it isn't to play San Andreas, discuss Iraq, or the Republicans chances in the mid-term elections. It's for sex. Then again we're asking to use the 10% brain capacity that God gave them and accept responsibility for their actions.

O'Reilly bascially said the same thing on his show. The situtation was a receipe for diaster. I miss Romey's show. It's a very good and funny show.
 

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46 out of 46 DNA tests came back negative.

That's what the defense atty says, but it's more accurate to say the dna was 'inconclusive' and not negative, or at least that is all that the DA will let out. He is the only informed source on the matter and has taken criticism for not making all of the test results public. Regardless, about 70-80% of rape prosecutions go forward without any dna evidence.
 

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The previous allegations are inadmissible if this case ever goes to trial, but the judge may consider them in deciding whether to dismiss the case before it gets to the jury.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/more/04/27/duke.lacrosse.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

Accuser in Duke case also filed rape complaint in '96

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- The woman who says she was raped by three members of Duke's lacrosse team also told police 10 years ago she was raped by three men, filing a 1996 complaint claiming she had been assaulted three years earlier when she was 14.

Authorities in nearby Granville County said Thursday that none of the men named in the decade-old report were ever charged with sexual assault there, but they didn't have details why.

According to the Creedmoor police report in August 1996, when the woman was 18, she told officers she was raped and beaten by three men "for a continual time" in 1993, when she was 14. She told police she was attacked at an "unspecified location" on a street in Creedmoor, a town 15 miles northeast of Durham.

The report lists the names of the three men, but no other details. Creedmoor police Chief Ted Pollard said Thursday he had no recollection of the report, and his staff has been unable to find any additional information about it.

Durham police Officer Brian Bishop, who interviewed the accuser in 1996 while working on the Creedmoor force, said Thursday he had a vague recollection of the report but couldn't remember any details.

When asked about the accuser's previous report of rape, Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong declined to comment.

Before Seligmann and Finnerty were indicted, attorneys for the players pointed to the accuser's criminal history when answering questions about their clients' legal troubles. The woman pleaded guilty to several misdemeanors in 2002.
 
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