Men who are willing to step up to the plate-and wash it for you, are hot

[STR8UP]

Look, some women may think guys who open doors for them are chumps, but I think it is a chivalrous act, which is rare these days, and I think it is sexy. To each their own.

I don't mind opening a door for a woman, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna start scrubbing dishes to try to get into a chick's pants.

 

[STR8UP]

however when i do this for women, even women i dont know, their perception behind my actual courteous intent may be misleading sometimes, sometimes i find myself PURPOSELY not doing theses things sometimes.

True......but I am a firm believer that a man can do and say almost ANYTHING he wants as long as his delivery is on point.

It's not what you say or do, it's how you say or do it.

 

[Señor Fingers]

This is part of The Matrix - you fell for the trap!!

This Matrix sh!t is really getting old pops. You should find a better metaphor already (or at least a more relevant one)

Men don't cook for their wives or do the dishes - except on rare occasions!!

You have been programmed to think so!!

I cook because I actually enjoy it. I don't mind cleaning either. I've lived without a woman picking up after me for years thankyouverymuch.

Your ideals work well for men who live with their mothers, or treat their lovers as such. To each his own I suppose.

And guests are not suppose to wash their plates!! This is why they are called "guests"!! From whom and where did you get this protocol? Never mind, I know.

That's the point though. They are not supposed to, yet they offer to do it anyway. We put up token resistance, but our true friends always insist on washing up. I also offer to clean up when my friends cook me dinner. It's just good etiquette, IMHO.

Note to self: LMS is not coming over for dinner! (More tostones for me!)

 

[iqqi]

And guests are not suppose to wash their plates!! This is why they are called "guests"!! From whom and where did you get this protocol? Never mind, I know.

I was going to say this too.

No way in hell guests of mine would be even thinking they were going to wash the dishes! Unless they are actually staying with us, then they can pitch in. It depends on what kind of guest. A party or dinner guest? NO way are they washing the dishes! I might get offended if they asked.

Looks like Fingz favorite sosuavers will not be invited over for dinner!

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Yeah, I opened a door for a woman once, pfeww,..man I'll never do that again. I just couldn't get her hands off of me after that. She started rambling about chivalry or something and then it was just "ƒuck me RT, ƒuuuuuuhhhck meeeeee!" after that.

All these PUA and their games, pffft,..just open doors for 'em,..works every time.

 

[Señor Fingers]

Looks like Fingz favorite sosuavers will not be invited over for dinner!

I have a massive pile of dishes right now that I am procrastinating on. Last nights guests did not offer at all!

It's all good, they were newjacks so I let them get a free pass... this time. :trouble:

LMS, I was just kidding man, you are welcome to have some of my famous rice & beans if you ever swing through. Just bring along one of your virgin slaves so she can wash up while we kick back with a fat spliff and point out where she missed a spot.

 

[My Name is Nobody]

Just bring along one of your virgin slaves so she can wash up while we kick back with a fat spliff and point out where she missed a spot.

Sounds like my kind of party... what's the time and place?

 

[John-467 Again]

I think you guys are missing the purpose of the article. Every since you guys got REJECTED for what you BELIEVED AND PERCEIVED TO BE because you were "nice guys" you have been on this all and out rampage against doing anything considered NICE to women at all.

You never got rejected because you were NICE, you were rejected if anything (besides the woman just being crazy), was because you weren't being YOURSELF.

There's an ATTACK on anything NATURAL in the Seduction Community, however it's the NATURAL man that gets laid the MOST, the technique driven, line remembering, challenge doing, 3 second bursting idiot is the guy who is the one continually to POST ON SOSUAVE EVERY NIGHT and the one who IS HOLDING HIMSELF AT THE END OF THE DAY.

Natural means, knowing WHO you are and loving WHO you are. When you do this, you develop what's been formerly known as Inner Game, which includes having natural and unique confidence, style, originality, and comfortableness. When you have those internal qualities you also have peace and joy, these qualities also get you over ANY hardship in life as you become SELF-RELIANT on the powers within and KNOW that you will accomplish them. That too is attractive. But thennnn, becaue you have this internal love for yourself, you naturally want to LOOK YOUR BEST, Exercise more to look better, dress better, make more money, hang with more cooler people...all these things make you more and more and more ATTRACTIVE.

And guess what, you didn't have to remember Mystery's VH1 Method and pay for his $3,000 seminar to try and act like SOMEBODY ELSE to do it.

You get the girl, you get more girls, you have a better life, and you have peace and joy at the SAME TIME.

Try it Sosuave "scientists" you might sleep a little better tonight.

 

[DJDamage]

poor bastard.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4399858

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

poor bastard.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4399858

What's silly is that they're a family of four and it doesn't seem as if the kids are helping.

 

[Nighthawk]

Guests aren't supposed to wash the dishes! That's the craziest thing I ever heard.

 

[Munson]

If your guests are cool and down to earth they will offer to help with the dishes.

 

[Nighthawk]

Why not give them a vacuum cleaner and a toilet brush while you're at it?

 

[Luveno]

If someone invites me to their house as a guest, I will always help clean the mess I HAVE MADE. I think doing this is respectful. Of course, most people who are guests do not clean up after themselves, which is beyond immature.

I will never clean anyone else's mess. This is why I don't host parties.

 

[PeeGee]

"The Manipulated Man" has been published for decades and this is still an issue with men (and more baffling there are still AFCs out there). Indoctrination is strong. This article appeals to existing AFCs and will not work on the rest of the male population. Scary as hell though.

 

[DJDamage]

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4399858

What's silly is that they're a family of four and it doesn't seem as if the kids are helping.

What is also silly is for them to suggest that a woman feels that she is cared more about and therefore will be more interested in sex. This is another myth designed to keep clueless men in the dark.

The whole thing was nasuating to watch I don't know why I am disgusted by this whole report. I don't know where to begin. Maybe the fact that this guy seems like an AFC who is married to some plain jane who is calling all the shots and this is the agenda that is pushed by this report as the ideal model of today's family?! As if defined gender roles are considered backwards while today undefined gender roles are considered progressive?! Look at the way he sits next to his wife and the way she talks about him, its like they already switched roles from the man to the woman. All this guy needs is some make up and a dress and instead of undefined gender roles you actually get something worse which is gender role reversal.

 

[armstrong]

I think you guys are missing the purpose of the article. Every since you guys got REJECTED for what you BELIEVED AND PERCEIVED TO BE because you were "nice guys" you have been on this all and out rampage against doing anything considered NICE to women at all.

You never got rejected because you were NICE, you were rejected if anything (besides the woman just being crazy), was because you weren't being YOURSELF.

There's an ATTACK on anything NATURAL in the Seduction Community, however it's the NATURAL man that gets laid the MOST, the technique driven, line remembering, challenge doing, 3 second bursting idiot is the guy who is the one continually to POST ON SOSUAVE EVERY NIGHT and the one who IS HOLDING HIMSELF AT THE END OF THE DAY.

Natural means, knowing WHO you are and loving WHO you are. When you do this, you develop what's been formerly known as Inner Game, which includes having natural and unique confidence, style, originality, and comfortableness. When you have those internal qualities you also have peace and joy, these qualities also get you over ANY hardship in life as you become SELF-RELIANT on the powers within and KNOW that you will accomplish them. That too is attractive. But thennnn, becaue you have this internal love for yourself, you naturally want to LOOK YOUR BEST, Exercise more to look better, dress better, make more money, hang with more cooler people...all these things make you more and more and more ATTRACTIVE.

And guess what, you didn't have to remember Mystery's VH1 Method and pay for his $3,000 seminar to try and act like SOMEBODY ELSE to do it.

You get the girl, you get more girls, you have a better life, and you have peace and joy at the SAME TIME.

Try it Sosuave "scientists" you might sleep a little better tonight.

I've made it to this point in life and am 100% comfortable with and confident in who I am. But guess what? I still studder like a damn fool every time I'm in the presence of a beautiful woman. There's no cut and dry answer for solving it. You can work on yourself, better yourself all you want and some guys will always get nervous around women.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I realize I was goofing on this at first, but I started thinking about why a man doing "woman's work" would be in any way sexy or at all arousing for a woman. As usual it's always a good start to reverse gender roles in order to get a better understanding of any social contrivance or perceived "double standard".

Would a guy get sexually excited to see a woman doing traditionally masculine housework? In 12 years of marriage I've never had my wife do, much less offer to do, things around the house (on a regular basis) that I assumed as a husband from day one. I get the dirty jobs. I mow the lawn, clean up the dog sh!t in the back yard, I have trash duty, clean the pool/spa, install the nice new acrylic sinks and marble countertops she picks out, plunge the toilets when they back up, install the garbage disposal, fix what I can on her 4 Runner, wash the car,...you get the idea. And of all those (with the exception of maybe seeing her wash my car in a thong bikini) I can't say as I'd get turned on by seeing my wife do any of that. So what is the intrinsic appeal of seeing a guy doing the dishes?

The role reversal of putting a man into a traditionally feminine role doesn't have real arousal value. It has a power value for sure, in that it temporarily casts a man in a submissive role, but after the novelty of having a guy perform those behaviors repeatedly wears off, does it still have that arousal value? My wife doesn't wear lingerie for me every night, but she does so often enough that the arousal value of it still turns me on. However doing the dishes is something so mundane and so monotonous that any thrill that might be associated with it wears thin in months.

 

[iqqi]

I think you guys are missing the purpose of the article. Every since you guys got REJECTED for what you BELIEVED AND PERCEIVED TO BE because you were "nice guys" you have been on this all and out rampage against doing anything considered NICE to women at all.

You never got rejected because you were NICE, you were rejected if anything (besides the woman just being crazy), was because you weren't being YOURSELF.

There's an ATTACK on anything NATURAL in the Seduction Community, however it's the NATURAL man that gets laid the MOST, the technique driven, line remembering, challenge doing, 3 second bursting idiot is the guy who is the one continually to POST ON SOSUAVE EVERY NIGHT and the one who IS HOLDING HIMSELF AT THE END OF THE DAY.

Natural means, knowing WHO you are and loving WHO you are. When you do this, you develop what's been formerly known as Inner Game, which includes having natural and unique confidence, style, originality, and comfortableness. When you have those internal qualities you also have peace and joy, these qualities also get you over ANY hardship in life as you become SELF-RELIANT on the powers within and KNOW that you will accomplish them. That too is attractive. But thennnn, becaue you have this internal love for yourself, you naturally want to LOOK YOUR BEST, Exercise more to look better, dress better, make more money, hang with more cooler people...all these things make you more and more and more ATTRACTIVE.

And guess what, you didn't have to remember Mystery's VH1 Method and pay for his $3,000 seminar to try and act like SOMEBODY ELSE to do it.

You get the girl, you get more girls, you have a better life, and you have peace and joy at the SAME TIME.

Try it Sosuave "scientists" you might sleep a little better tonight.

Some people just don't get it. And they may never!

John, PM me if you ever hover on this board again.

 

[ketostix]

Some people just don't get it. And they may never!

That'd be you.