Men: plz plz plz dont give up on marriage!!

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Or else our society will decay! Marriage has been a part of human life since the beginning of time. Marriage/family is the backbone of a healthy society...without it, people will have seriously issues!

Think about it yourself. Some of the most successful civilizations (such as the western civilization) greatly exaggerated on marriages previously. Just look at Europe/USA today, without family is almost non existent, and our country is just a mess! I do realize that American women are not marriage material...but that doesn't mean you should give up! East European, Asian, Middle Easter, Hispanic women are pretty nice. Why don't you guys get married to them?

I hear lots of guys saying they don't want to get married nowadays. That is very hurtful because not all of us are bad. Most descent people wants to have a family and get married (instead of sleeping around). I think marriage should be mandatory, not a choice
 

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Last of the Alphas said:
You say not to give up like it's some sort of goal we've been chasing since childhood.

And....

Mandatory?

Out. Now.
Agreed. Guys giving up on marriage is an effect of many things that women are doing differently these days.
 

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Love<3 said:
Or else our society will decay! Marriage has been a part of human life since the beginning of time. Marriage/family is the backbone of a healthy society...without it, people will have seriously issues!

Think about it yourself. Some of the most successful civilizations (such as the western civilization) greatly exaggerated on marriages previously. Just look at Europe/USA today, without family is almost non existent, and our country is just a mess! I do realize that American women are not marriage material...but that doesn't mean you should give up! East European, Asian, Middle Easter, Hispanic women are pretty nice. Why don't you guys get married to them?

I hear lots of guys saying they don't want to get married nowadays. That is very hurtful because not all of us are bad. Most descent people wants to have a family and get married (instead of sleeping around). I think marriage should be mandatory, not a choice
99% of women born after 1978, 80% women born between 1950 and 1978 are a lost cause. Doesn't matter how their parents are, whether they are rich or poor, fat or thin, they are a lost cause. Hispanic women that come to the US become lazy fat spoilt Americans very quickly
 

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Well I tried it once, didn't work out...so been there done that, not going back.

It's something I can live without, I have 2 kids from that previous marriage and I'm not wanting anymore. I don't think I need marriage again...if I want to "settle down" once again I'll just go for an LTR.

With an LTR, if things go south you can bail without all the legal mess (in most cases).
 

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Love<3 said:
I think marriage should be mandatory, not a choice
Based on this person's posting history I think there is a real possibility this post is serious. Think about that for a second. This person could actually believe this.

Just let that sink in for a moment.
 

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Why do you frequent this site?

You as out of place as me visiting a perfume & makeup forum.
 

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Its an outdated concept. The best that could happen now is a pair of people involved in LTR. If the opening poster is church going, as stated in other threads, holds traditional values. But society has moved on...
 

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You should be tilting the court away from screwing the man instead of telling us to not quit on marriage.
 

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You see the more a male is wanted\flirting with other females, the fonder his girl's heart grow.

And in reverse, the more a woman is desired\flirting the less attracted a male feels towards her.



I believe this is this healthy thinking, sexism aside, nothing to do with that, few people realise it, which leads to males acting like females and in reverse. Sad.
 

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At a certain level of personal material wealth, status, and success, and armed with the knowledge that he gets better with age, a man can remain polyamorous and a very eligible bachelor for years. And when he settles down, marriage is NOT in his interest, given the modern woman.

Why why why would I ever risk my financial assets on the emotional instability, outrageous entitlement, and unreasonable expectations of today's modern American woman, especially in a sexist court system full of white-knight judges?

Marriage is not in the cards unless I get a team of attorneys to draft an ironclad prenup and my fiancé and I agreed to mandatory paternity tests at birth. Short of that, I have no problem saying to a woman that I'll live with her (in a non-common law marriage state), have kids with her (provided mandatory paternity tests at birth), and love and provide for the kids and their educations, but I will not marry her.
 

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Like I said, I'll marry a girl if she makes way more money than me.

This one white dude is marrying my sister (who is a doctor) and he's laughing all the way to the bank. For him marriage totally makes sense since he earns like 30k a year.
 

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You fail to see the beauty of arranged marriages. My country is the oldest in Europe after the ancient civilisations and was formed right next to what was left of the old Roman empire, the Eastern Roman empire, Byzantium.

Yours is 200 years old you cant talk straight on these matters.

In the old days peeps were like, ok kids (the kids are 15 years old say), this is your woman, this is your man, love each other. But dont **** around or youll get slapped. This was the old European model. At least in the west.

Though around here it was abit different. There was the thing with stealing girls from their home. It was like that, if youre good enough to steal the girl from her father, youre good enough to be her man. So that in times of slavery, people who fought the power, real OG badboys got laid too :D. There is much written in folk songs, poems and literature about these things. And there were many cultural influences and throughout history things changed.

But mostly, around the time the country was under Ottoman control (5 centuries), the people were really real, and people didnt forget they are a nation despite having no government, people didnt **** around from early age like nowadays, everything was more pure, there was love between young people, then some kind of agreement was struck between the families, and then, till death do us part. But for real. Not till something better comes up.

I've heard about these interesting Kurdish people, their practise is, if the girl is virgin, the man gives her father like 20 grand and takes her, then if she cheats even one time, he gives her back to her father and takes his money. See this is a good way to keep both in check.

You americans are too blinded by your "liberty", "democracy", "freedom", "equality" and things like these, when they really dont exist. As Vinnie Paz says "everybody is a slave, only some are aware".

As Washington I think put it, Ill paraphrase, if you try to balance between freedom and security you lose both. So you kinda did that didnt you, moreover your country fought a long war with the world banking system but then lost around the beggining of the 20th century - theres no escaping the good ole jew bankers, And your marriages are failing all over the place, and countries like ours, heavy influenced by you since the eastern block fell apart, are suffering too. So please dont judge traditions of 1000s of years. Couse here its much like that now - FREEDOM, yay, but at what cost? People became grade A w*ores - both male and female. This is why I will always be reserved to nations like USA and Russia - you are not wise, you dont have tact, you dont know you cant force your will on another human being, you americans do it more clever ofc - with cultural brainwash. But Ill always hold a grudge to the these 2 nations sorry. :D

I see many wrong things, for example the catolic church having seats inside it? Wtf is that ****? Look how our Orthodox church is: there are no seats, you go inside, light a candle, and while you watch it burn you think about stuff. Then at the moment you are no longer comfortable with standing on your feet, you leave. So there isnt a risk of sitting down listening to some crap and falling asleep or dissociating. But because of all the communist BS, people forgot God. Its sad.

There are so many good things about my country, people here are beutifull, the women are generally slim and there are all kinds of exteriors, people are highly intelligent and have many wanderful qualities, the equalisation of sexes through labour was one of the few things done right in the Eastern block, yet most like to believe they are dumb and like have bad manners on pourpose, the brainwash applied after 1989 was very heavy and very effective, money is always short, so people are becoming more and more pragmatic and frigid from that fact which I hate. The rich and powerful males are few and far between and the golddigers are more and more. So there is this thing golddiggers settle for so little, you cant really call them this way, the smartest grab a German guy or something, and spin his head around couse western European women look like **** mostly, so its easy :D

But just be open minded, I would love to live in your country to see how it is, but please, dont think like youre the best thing since sliced bread, more humble guys, its good.
 

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OP is clearly a troll but... isn't "her" argument the same as the manosphere's?

"Society gonna crumble if we don't return to traditional valuess!!!"

Personally I never buy the "culture is gonna collapse if we don't all _________" arguments, whether by OP or on Chateau Heartiste. People have been predicting the downfall of civilization since civilization began.

However, even if I did buy those arguments... I really don't give a sh*t about society. Once I'm gone, this world can be obliterated by a gamma ray burst for all I care. What happens to people after I'm dead is meaningless to me because, guess what, I'll be dead.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

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BrainDamage92 said:
You fail to see the beauty of arranged marriages. My country is the oldest in Europe after the ancient civilisations and was formed right next to what was left of the old Roman empire, the Eastern Roman empire, Byzantium.

Yours is 200 years old you cant talk straight on these matters.

In the old days peeps were like, ok kids (the kids are 15 years old say), this is your woman, this is your man, love each other. But dont **** around or youll get slapped. This was the old European model. At least in the west.

Though around here it was abit different. There was the thing with stealing girls from their home. It was like that, if youre good enough to steal the girl from her father, youre good enough to be her man. So that in times of slavery, people who fought the power, real OG badboys got laid too :D. There is much written in folk songs, poems and literature about these things. And there were many cultural influences and throughout history things changed.

But mostly, around the time the country was under Ottoman control (5 centuries), the people were really real, and people didnt forget they are a nation despite having no government, people didnt **** around from early age like nowadays, everything was more pure, there was love between young people, then some kind of agreement was struck between the families, and then, till death do us part. But for real. Not till something better comes up.

I've heard about these interesting Kurdish people, their practise is, if the girl is virgin, the man gives her father like 20 grand and takes her, then if she cheats even one time, he gives her back to her father and takes his money. See this is a good way to keep both in check.

You americans are too blinded by your "liberty", "democracy", "freedom", "equality" and things like these, when they really dont exist. As Vinnie Paz says "everybody is a slave, only some are aware".

As Washington I think put it, Ill paraphrase, if you try to balance between freedom and security you lose both. So you kinda did that didnt you, moreover your country fought a long war with the world banking system but then lost around the beggining of the 20th century - theres no escaping the good ole jew bankers, And your marriages are failing all over the place, and countries like ours, heavy influenced by you since the eastern block fell apart, are suffering too. So please dont judge traditions of 1000s of years. Couse here its much like that now - FREEDOM, yay, but at what cost? People became grade A w*ores - both male and female. This is why I will always be reserved to nations like USA and Russia - you are not wise, you dont have tact, you dont know you cant force your will on another human being, you americans do it more clever ofc - with cultural brainwash. But Ill always hold a grudge to the these 2 nations sorry. :D

I see many wrong things, for example the catolic church having seats inside it? Wtf is that ****? Look how our Orthodox church is: there are no seats, you go inside, light a candle, and while you watch it burn you think about stuff. Then at the moment you are no longer comfortable with standing on your feet, you leave. So there isnt a risk of sitting down listening to some crap and falling asleep or dissociating. But because of all the communist BS, people forgot God. Its sad.

There are so many good things about my country, people here are beutifull, the women are generally slim and there are all kinds of exteriors, people are highly intelligent and have many wanderful qualities, the equalisation of sexes through labour was one of the few things done right in the Eastern block, yet most like to believe they are dumb and like have bad manners on pourpose, the brainwash applied after 1989 was very heavy and very effective, money is always short, so people are becoming more and more pragmatic and frigid from that fact which I hate. The rich and powerful males are few and far between and the golddigers are more and more. So there is this thing golddiggers settle for so little, you cant really call them this way, the smartest grab a German guy or something, and spin his head around couse western European women look like **** mostly, so its easy :D

But just be open minded, I would love to live in your country to see how it is, but please, dont think like youre the best thing since sliced bread, more humble guys, its good.
Oh my God, that's perfect! Arrange marriages do statistically last longer. Do people still practice arranged marriage in your country?

@western men.... What do you think we can do to make you interested in marriages again? I think its a good idea if we petition men more marriage rights so that women won't have extra benefits? Will that make you happy?
 

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Love<3 said:
Oh my God, that's perfect! Arrange marriages do statistically last longer. Do people still practice arranged marriage in your country?

@western men.... What do you think we can do to make you interested in marriages again? I think its a good idea if we petition men more marriage rights so that women won't have extra benefits? Will that make you happy?
I don't think any women will be ready to marry a guy where she doesn't get any benefits

its already proven theory -- its called "Hypergamy". Look around its everywhere just like air. :rockon:
 

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Maximummax said:
I don't think any women will be ready to marry a guy where she doesn't get any benefits
But would a man be willing to marry a woman where he doesn't get any benefits?

I certainly wouldn't. I'd be somewhat willing to marry a woman who was young, beautiful, bisexual, extraordinarily wealthy and willing to sign a prenup giving me a large chunk of cash in the event of our sad breakup. OP, find me one of those and I will rethink my stance against marriage :D
 

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Love<3 said:
Oh my God, that's perfect! Arrange marriages do statistically last longer. Do people still practice arranged marriage in your country?

@western men.... What do you think we can do to make you interested in marriages again? I think its a good idea if we petition men more marriage rights so that women won't have extra benefits? Will that make you happy?
No, no really, socialist control since 1945, then Americanism since 1989. So no. And even before that it was different around here than the coldly arranged Western Eurpean marriages. But isnt any modern marriage a sort of a cold agreement? But we live closer to cultures who still do it and are not racist so anyone here can see the positives I think.

But what our folklore tells us is that there were both love and business-like agreement and the two things coexisted. Also its a small country so when times are rough, everyone is poor and in reverse, so that leaves abit of space for love. But kids are getting more and more ****ed in the head, like the education is not like the old Eastern system, its all A) B) C) tests in school, no writing no nothing, turning kids into robots, while also trying to make them geniuses and clog them with info since the age of 5 lol -.-

We have these two ways when we talk about marriage:

- marriage out of love
- marriage out of... (you dont have an expression like this in English, its like "financially beneficial" for one or both sides but without feelings)

Ofc everything is mixed up.
 
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