Matrix is becoming more than the norm (wife cheating thread)...

[jophil28]

Pook doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. There was masculinity and honor way before there was women with any right or voice to manipulate men to do anything. It was a code honored among men and did not include women much at all, as it should be. He erroneously attributed feminism and female manipulation of concepts of honor and masculinity as if females created the very things they manipulate. Women don't have the balls or ingenuity to create anything. What they are good at though is manipulating and complaining.

Agree..

Pook sometimes writes about subjects that he does not understand just for the sake of sermonizing. He seems to have a compulsive need to preach "on the run" on each and every topic even though his understanding and research are poor.
He is wrong about the origins and practise of "honor". Just plain wrong.
The article above is a weak conspiracy theory masquerding as Pook wisdom.
The Pook lemmings will eat it up, no doubt.

 

[jonwon]

My wife's friend's husband (call him Jack) caught my wife's friend (call her Jill) in their own bed, at home, lunchtime, butt-ass naked and getting drilled by some dude from her work. They have a 5 year old and a 1 year old. Very tragic. In a way we are close to this couple, sort of a friend from high school that you still sort of put up with because you've known them their whole life. Me and my wife, we've probably seen this coming for a while, but we never thought she'd cross THAT line.

They are typical. Been together since sr. year of high school, both popular, he got 'saved' from his reckless behavior by her, he was the athlete - respected, etc. He made good money, but she spent it as soon as he got it. They were in debt and lived in the $300,000 house in the nice suburban neighborhood with the community pool. Drama was her middle name. She had no self esteem (evident to people like me who knew what the fvck was going on). Kids were cute but on their way to be spoiled brats. He told me the typical sh1t about happy life happy wife garbage. They were the couple that many tried to measure up to, as being perfect. She yelled at him, she threw temper tantrums, but it was always normal. Or was it?

She started dressing nice at work. After the second kid, he got her new tits. Friends comment on how she looks at work. A guy's name starts getting mentioned more and more. She actually showed 'actions' that hinted toward her wanting one of my buddies. Nobody cared, because it couldn't happen, right? I mean, here she is, with the master father and provider, high school sweethearts, only been with one other guy in her life, husband is 6-3 and loves UFC, she has it all, right?

And now, everybody says he should take her back, for the kids. Men I have looked up to all my life are saying this nonsense. I want to puke. These same men have only recently fallen victim to this matrix. The guy was not an AFC to me, on the surface. We had MANY conversations about women, and his stance on his wife cheating was, "One shot. She cheats, she's out."

He's filed for divorce already, 3 days later. But I fear that the minions and crabs in the bucket will convince him otherwise. I have been vocal about what I think, and have been made to be the bad guy. My wife agrees with me, but has a big heart for the kids, so she's emotional and not thinking right anyway. However she upholds my beliefs. Sometimes I say, well it's not my business, but in a way it is.

People ask me what I would do in that situation. My answer does not surprise them. My wife knows exactly what I would do. I feel that people 'know' how to handle things, they just do not 'do' it.

I feel like I'm by myself on this. Alone in a world full of ball-less chumps. It's crap like this, that breeds the having the cake and eating it too mantra. Yeah this is a rant, so fvcking what. Sh1t is out of control. Until men start holding these dumb people accountable, it will only continue.

I understand where your coming from.

A mate of mine, a total Zen master when it comes to women. Been in a long term relationship, two kids. His girl starts going 'cold' towards him. He finishes with her, his gut is screaming at him.

She moves out, within a week, her ex-BF is living with her, apparantly she just got in touch with the ex-bf the week she was kicked out the house (yeh right) -

Roll on two months - Im out with the guy, he tells me she was begging to take him back, said she booted the ex-Bf out the house - Its clear he does not trust her - we spent the rest of the night going from bar to bar and just happen to whoopse bump into this chick -

He is only following her around like a lost puppy - Gets jealous over another guy talking to her -

It was like the guy I knew and respected was morphing into some sad fu*ing looser over some chick.

I pull him to oneside, ask him whats going on -

He tells me:

"You dont have kids, you dont know what its like, she is the mother of my children" e.t.c.


As soon has she clicks her fingers, he is running back with his tail between his legs, following her around like a lost puppy.

Totally forgot that the girl was ice-cold to him for over a month before there split and just happened to have the Ex-BF move into her place in the space of a week, like it was normal and it happens everyday.

The ex-bf lived down south, he would have had to give up his friends and family and just decided to leave it all behind for his EX-GF with two kids to another man?

No way, that sh*ts being going on for a while.

--- My mate is not interested.

"she is the mother of my kids", kept repeating that line like it was gospel -

I just turned to him and said

"I'm glad i dont have kids"

You know the girl is bad news, her friend is a total party girl - her friend spent the night trying to sex up a guy working behind a bar - My mate hanging onto his girls coat tails like some lost puppy.

Sad pathetic and in a way it made me feel powerful, in that there is no way in hell I would ever have kids with the wrong girl, ever! In that way the guy I looked up-to, I know from that night that my understanding and level is far higher then his, infact I had nothing but pity.

I will put a time delay clock on the relationship and i know for 100% certain that girl now has him by the balls and she knows it.

As for controlling a women:

I agree its an illusion.

Whilst your beating your chest that you control your women, when your back is truned and your too busy stroking your ego, she is probably jumping some guys coc*.

The only way you know you can trust a women is if she is willing to crawl on her hands and knees through broken glass coated in dog do just to stick a twig in your shi*.

In short form, the girl needs to love you more then you love her, she needs to worhsip the ground you walk on - threats and ultimatums are comical to women, they dont give a fcuk, she will toe the line but if she wants to cheat e.t.c she will and you will probably never know, so drunk in your own ego and power that you can 'control' her.

A women should not ever need to be controlled, if you feel you need to control your chick, your with the wrong girl - period!

 

[jonwon]

Congrats on filtering out over a thousand women to finally land a "Quality" woman.

Where are the moral crusaders now?



My cousin married a wonderful woman from a wonderful, stable family. Together they had 3 children. My cousin slaved like a dog for his family. He drove 88 miles each way to work; when he got home, he made his own dinner because the family couldn't "wait" for him, and then he went into the basement where he worked another 4 hours doing his second job so the family would have extra money. He went to bed at midnight and was up at 4am.

Low and behold, NONE of the children were his. His entire life of toil and sacrifice was one big giant joke on him. Three children, three different men. He got divorced and lived in a tiny apartment while his wife got the house, cars, kids, and 55% of his gross pay for the next 15 years. She partied it up with his money banging new guys every week while he was forced through threats of imprisonment to fund three other mens ejaculate and her partying while he survived on ramen noodles and cans of tuna.

Of course after all that time bonding with the children he fell in love with them. Now that they are all grown up, they treat him like dirt and only come around for money all the while looking up to their newly discovered and "cool" biological daddy's.

I hate reading this shi*.

Makes me really hate the system we are living in right now - If stuff like this was in the paper instead of menstal womens shi* - I would hope men would take to the streets like the bra burning man-wannabe things of the 1960's.

This shi* makes me sick to my stomach - I'd probably take a gun to the *****. If that happened to me, I probably go out in a blaze of glory - no way i'd be sat on my as* whilst being shafted left right and center.

 

[jonwon]

I have found my freedom in an unfree world. It flows from my standards, values and expectations.

Where is yours?

Fidelity, Courage, Love,
Tictac

Tictac, stop projecting your irrationality outside yourself.

Your need to shame men to confrom with your set of standards is wasted, you wont convert the world, the only thing you can do is change your understanding and rise above it.

Shaming men or throwing blame for your own shortfalls is what feminists normally do - if you dont like the message, dont shoot the messanger, see what they have to say and absorb it, even if you changed the opinion of one person to suit your perfect world ideal - I gurantee there are millions out there who wont give a fcuk what you want, where you came from, or who you are and WILL FCUK your wife if she offers it on a plate.

This does not make the man low quality, this makes you low quality for choosing such a fuc*ing wh*re in the first place.

Wise up, or be doomed to repeat your wrong choices, you wont change the world - you can only become better informed about it and with that make better choices -

I also hate, hate HATE and I mean HATE with a god dam passion, guys blaming other guys for some skank who*re -- If a girl cheats and she is in a relationship, the fault is not the GUY the fault is the girl - and possibly the BF for being such a weak as*ed limp dic* to not throw blame where it should lie.


If my bitc* cheats, you should be thinking about shaking the hand of the guy who's **** was ramming up inside her filling her womb with man juice - you should be shaking his hand for helping to expose the who*re that she is and with that you now have an opportunity to reflect why your making fuc*ed up choices in terms of choosing women -

 

[KontrollerX]

"If my bitc* cheats, you should be thinking about shaking the hand of the guy who's **** was ramming up inside her filling her womb with man juice - you should be shaking his hand for helping to expose the who*re that she is and with that you now have an opportunity to reflect why your making fuc*ed up choices in terms of choosing women"

Very well said.

110% in agreement with you.

Thing is though when an AFC just comes here for the first time this bit of advice automatically seems wrong because when in an AFC state of mind one's emotions are missplaced to such a large degree all the AFC can feel is hate for his betrayel and since his feminist programming has made him believe that women are never to be held accountable for their actions and are always innocent dainty flowers the only target of the hate that is then acceptable is the man that the cheating wh0re fvcked as that man is an acceptable hate target from the feminist point of view because as a man he is expendable.

The AFC then goes and gets into a brawl with the guy that did what any other guy would have done and risks broken bones and perhaps even his very life all because of a cheating piece of garbage.

The anger and hate of course belong squarely with the woman but the feminist brainwashing is so deep rather than accept and acknowledge blame with whom it belongs the AFC makes rationalizations such as "The girl is naieve and was tricked into sucking on another man's d!ck" or someother such passive aggressive avoidant rubbish.

Now I'm not saying you've got to go Ike Turner on a b!tch to acknowledge the cheating wh0re as the true person to be angry with.

Just understand the anger belongs with her and do your best to walk away since women get off on a man doing an emotional tirade such as yelling at them since that gives them an idea of their worth to the man and makes them feel important.

So swallow up your hate and maybe there will be a time in the future when you can pay that woman back in a more constructive way such as fvcking her sister or best friend.

The ONLY exception where you can kick the crap out of some guy who b0ned your woman if you want to is if it was a guy thats always been a longtime enemy of yours, a friend or your biological brother or other relative.

Just some random guy though?

Nah, that guy is just doing what any other random guy would do.

 

[jonwon]

"If my bitc* cheats, you should be thinking about shaking the hand of the guy who's **** was ramming up inside her filling her womb with man juice - you should be shaking his hand for helping to expose the who*re that she is and with that you now have an opportunity to reflect why your making fuc*ed up choices in terms of choosing women"

Very well said.

110% in agreement with you.

Thing is though when an AFC just comes here for the first time this bit of advice automatically seems wrong because when in an AFC state of mind one's emotions are missplaced to such a large degree all the AFC can feel is hate for his betrayel and since his feminist programming has made him believe that women are never to be held accountable for their actions and are always innocent dainty flowers the only target of the hate that is then acceptable is the man that the cheating wh0re fvcked as that man is an acceptable hate target from the feminist point of view because as a man he is expendable.

The AFC then goes and gets into a brawl with the guy that did what any other guy would have done and risks broken bones and perhaps even his very life all because of a cheating piece of garbage.

The anger and hate of course belong squarely with the woman but the feminist brainwashing is so deep rather than accept and acknowledge blame with whom it belongs the AFC makes rationalizations such as "The girl is naieve and was tricked into sucking on another man's d!ck" or someother such passive aggressive avoidant rubbish.

Now I'm not saying you've got to go Ike Turner on a b!tch to acknowledge the cheating wh0re as the true person to be angry with.

Just understand the anger belongs with her and do your best to walk away since women get off on a man doing an emotional tirade such as yelling at them since that gives them an idea of their worth to the man and makes them feel important.

So swallow up your hate and maybe there will be a time in the future when you can pay that woman back in a more constructive way such as fvcking her sister or best friend.

The ONLY exception where you can kick the crap out of some guy who b0ned your woman if you want to is if it was a guy thats always been a longtime enemy of yours, a friend or your biological brother or other relative.

Just some random guy though?

Nah, that guy is just doing what any other random guy would do.

Indeed, its a shame that this thinking is very much not the norm and most guys operate on the other end of the spectrum.

Not only is the system rigged up in response to award women for cheating, even when she does, many men are all too willing to blame other men also.

This circle needs to end - It would make me very proud to actually witness first hand some man handing there women the riot act over her cheating whor*dom - instead of automactily wanted to kill or harm the other guy - when the women is only probably going to add another guy at some stage in the future - hence the BF or husband has missed the mark by a mile.

I understood this concept when I was very young - around 18.

Dating a girl for week - she came into my bedroom, looking like the cat who had stole the milk - she tells me so and so had sex with her last night and wanted me to 'beat him up'.

I turned to her and laughed -

The guy came to me whilst I was playing football, his hand outstretched - He said "Sorry I didn't know it was your GF" - I took his hand, held it tight shook it like one man to another - smiled at him and said "you did me a favour" -

The girl was in ear shot, her face was a picture - Was one the finest moments of my life and I will never forget it - classic!

I reccommend any man to try it, if he is ever unfortunate to be in a similier situation.

Edit

Tictac wrote:

"Listen up - any man who would take another man's wife is not a man at all. I don't care if she inserts you into her while singing 'God Save the Queen'. If you are a man, you will recognize a low quality woman (or one with mental issues) and walk away. My wife was a beautiful woman, great lover, fantastic mother, daughter, sister - all of it. She traded it in for cheap laughs.

But that's not the reason men (or women) don't take another's spouse. Its because of the collateral damage to children, family and friends. No amount of or quality of sex is worth that. If your own short-term pleasure means that much, you've got problems. Unless you truly beleive that its all and only about you (that makes you a narcissist by the way), you walk"

Tictac

Here is some cold hard truth -

No one gives a fcuk -

You think that bad boy gives a shi* about your lementing on a forum?
Do you think the next stud in line to bone your so perfect who*e of a wife gives a shi* if you have kids e.t.c

Do you really think the world works that way?

This sounds like an angry brat raging at the machine for his own fuc*ed up choices.

Accept responsiblity - or you will never free yourselves from the shackles that bind you. You will constantly make excuses for women like this and blame everything but the true source, hence your doomed to repeat your mistake.

Also

"If you are a man, you will recognize a low quality woman (or one with mental issues) and walk away. My wife was a beautiful woman, great lover, fantastic mother, daughter, sister - all of it. She traded it in for cheap laughs".



Do not go together, they cancel each other out -

That bad boy did you a favour and what sort of stud bad-boy gets shacked up with some dried up husk with kids? Thats no bad boy to me, thats a looser who cant get a younger model who does not have kids in toe.

The true bad boy in your eyes, would have fuc*ed her and ran for the hills - it is clear she was swinging from one coc* to another and replacing you with someone else - the guy is not at fault if anything he has now taken over your garbage - you should be thanking him.

He is no bad boy, dont try to big him up to explain you choices - he is just some random guy with a dic* who happened to be around at the right time at the right place who just so happened to want to be a surrogate daddy to someone elses genetic seed - what sort of sad fuc* will activly choose to look after some other mans kids? Thats no bad boy in my book.

Next time you see him, buy him a beer, he probably needs it.

 

[Tictac]

You read, but don't understand. I never have and never would 'go after' this guy. I cut my wife off, am divorcing her and moved on. "The mother of my children" thing is an issue, but for my kids, not me. She f***** up, so did I.

I handle the collateral damage.

I can't imagine a bigger AFC move than taking another man's wife. There are so many women out there, that wreaks of simple weakness.

I choose each breath I take, the actions and the consequences woven into my life. I choose to do some things and not to do others, that's all. And as I learn from my errors, all the better.

As for projection, that's what we all do. I know (and I said) that the universe is indifferent to each of us. Its what we do that matters.

Tictac

 

[jonwon]

As for projection, that's what we all do. I know (and I said) that the universe is indifferent to each of us. Its what we do that matters.

Tictac

Indeed, wise words.

You'll do well here.

 

[KontrollerX]

"I can't imagine a bigger AFC move than taking another man's wife. There are so many women out there, that wreaks of simple weakness."

If a guy actively persues a married woman instead of going after single chicks I can agree with you but in the case where a married woman persues a guy then hey...

Its free p00n and if that particular guy is horny play ball.

Weakness has nothing to do with it in that case.

Simply desire mixed with a good opportunity.

Also the whole moral angle doesn't totally wash as sure in a moral sense (depending on whose morals were talking about here) it may be wrong to bone another man's wife but as for the hurting the kids and breaking up the family element...

1. The wife decided to put herself on the market and in that position so the ruination of the family is 1000% percent on her shoulders.

2. If a married woman wants to get down with another man strongly enough she may tell a few little white lies to the man or strategically omit some facts namely that she even has children to begin with which of course makes it easier for a guy whose programmed with traditional Christian morality and feminist dogma to get down with her because in that guy's feminized mindset he automatically looks at you her husband as the bad guy and the reason for her infidelity rather than considering it her personal weakness and her own failings as a human being as the reason. In short that guy if he even thinks of you at all probably feels in an offhanded barely thinking about it way that you deserve what she's doing to you with him so it doesn't really bother him other than vaguely to do what he's doing.

Also it helps that when programmed with a traditional morality for the woman once again to not tell the guy the little secret about her having kids.

You can find tons of stories just like that all over the internet on relationship forums about some guy falling in love with another man's wife only to find out she lied to him for a number of months or years about having children.

Helps to get guys in the first place to not feel so bad about sleeping with a married woman as well helps to get guys emotionally ensnared that don't want kids but can quickly warm up to the idea just to keep the soon to be divorced woman in their life.

 

[Tictac]

[b2. If a married woman wants to get down with another man strongly enough she may tell a few little white lies to the man or strategically omit some facts namely that she even has children to begin with which of course makes it easier for a guy whose programmed with traditional Christian morality and feminist dogma to get down with her because in that guy's feminized mindset he automatically looks at you her husband as the bad guy and the reason for her infidelity rather than considering it her personal weakness and her own failings as a human being as the reason. In short that guy if he even thinks of you at all probably feels in an offhanded barely thinking about it way that you deserve what she's doing to you with him so it doesn't really bother him other than vaguely to do what he's doing.

Maybe its me. But this is gibberish. I'm not enough up on sociology to get it. I'm a pagan but no longer in the murder end of the business. That works for me.

Preying on weakness isn't AFC?

He knew. He's a loser. So is she.

Its over. Just rear guard now.

And I'm learning how to not have this in my life again.

Adapt & overcome,
Tictac

 

[iqqi]

^^^ Strength.

 

[Tictac]

^^^ Strength.

Iqqi,

Thanks, I think. I've always been a believer that brevity helped clarity. But every once in a while, things are a little too short for me.

Tictac

 

[KontrollerX]

"Preying on weakness isn't AFC?"

If you are talking about your specific situation it was only an AFC act of preying on weakness on the guy's part if you and she had been having knock down drag out verbal jousting matches, she was emotionally fried from it at which point the guy took advantage as the shoulder to cry on with the full intention of getting in her pants.

Its not weakness in the case where the married woman basically goes out and finds some random guy and basically rapes him she wants strange c0ck so badly.

"He knew. He's a loser. So is she."

Gotcha.

"Its over. Just rear guard now.

And I'm learning how to not have this in my life again.

Adapt & overcome"

Good, hope it works out for ya man.

Word to the wise though put iqqi on ignore, she's just a troll and she's only praising you up to try and make you the next member of her forum fanclub.

Whenever this happens a guy's progress at overcoming his problems get stalled since iqqi subtley and sometimes overtly encourages guys to embrace the AFC viewpoint.

She throws in some good advice at times to keep an air of legitimacy about her which has made her such a succesful troll to remain unbanned for so long.

Ultimately the best poster for you to pay close attention to if you want to never re-live this situation is Rollo Tomassi.

The guy gives the best advice ever seen on the site and has a 10 or 11 year marriage (forgot the exact number) to prove it.

Not that marriage is necessarily a goal message of our site here but hey if its a new poster's personal goal reading Rollo's posts is the first place you wanna start to find out how to build a lasting one.

 

[SXS]

I call this thread quits and Aenigma pops in with some good stuff.

INSOFAR as male/female relations go, morals, ethics, etc. are nothing more than a tool of manipulation used by women on men and by unwary men unto themselves. OUTSIDE of this context, they can serve a purpose. But much of what is being talked about on here is nothing but strings that control you like a puppet, as explained by The Almighty Pook Himself.

Control you for what purpose ?

Male infidelity is not the same as female infidelity. It is not as serious. The consequences are rarely severe for either party involved.

It's infidelity. You are just trying to play the field because you know that everything you accuse woman of doing, men do it even more often. How about geting a STD from your husband, or having a baby with another woman, thus having to share your provision with the offspring of other women ?

It actually helps facilitate semi-monogamy (he has a wife at home who he cares for and supports, but gets his "needs" filled on the side-no harm no foul).

So, basicly, what you are proposing is that women should allow their husbands to have other women aside and be quiet about it ?

And I didn't say "bang every married woman you can find". I said "if the opportunity presents itself and you are attracted to a married woman, by all means weigh out the risk/reward, and if it comes back positive BANG AWAY".

Sorry, but i don't need that. I am atracted to the vast majority of women I know, but simply puting, I can get single, childless, young women to go out with me, I don't need any sex from a married women. To me a guy who does that is just proving to be a very big loser.
I am sure many people here will agree with me at least on that.

No, they serve great purpose in life in general. See above.

Then let ask you a question, do you say that morals have no purpose in the mating game because there are no penalties for transgressors of those moral rules ?
For example, if you were living on Iran, were you can get killed for sexual transgressors like adulterous woman, then you would say there are a purpose for morals ?

 

[STR8UP]

I know how much roissy's words get under weaker male's skin, so those of you who don't like the truth feel free to skip this next quote from his latest blog post.

This reminds me of an admiring ode I previously wrote to John Edwards:

John Edwards’ wife lies for him knowing he was ****ing and impregnating a new age ***** while she lay in a hospital bed with cancer.

Somewhere in America a dutiful beta husband was just served divorce papers and subsequent financial ruin for no reason he can discern except that he didn’t excite his wife’s loins anymore.

People sometimes ask why I so deliberately and unapologetically act in my own self-interest and take what I want.
Because I know the score.
And you should too.

Pretend all you want. The man who cares least about others gets the most in the mating game. Morals and mating don't go together.

Control you for what purpose ?

See Rollo's latest post.

It's infidelity. You are just trying to play the field because you know that everything you accuse woman of doing, men do it even more often. How about geting a STD from your husband, or having a baby with another woman, thus having to share your provision with the offspring of other women ?

Blah, blah, womanspeak. Female infidelity carries WAAAAY higher potential cost to the man than vice versa. No amount of STD's of child support will ever negate 18 years of raising another man's child.

So, basicly, what you are proposing is that women should allow their husbands to have other women aside and be quiet about it ?

Value dependent.

If she can do better by landing a higher value man, then she might benefit from leaving. But if her man has higher value, it is in her best interest to share the feast. No woman will ever ADMIT that, but their words belie their actions.

Sorry, but i don't need that. I am atracted to the vast majority of women I know, but simply puting, I can get single, childless, young women to go out with me, I don't need any sex from a married women. To me a guy who does that is just proving to be a very big loser.
I am sure many people here will agree with me at least on that.

If it makes you feel better, you keep telling yourself that, champ.

Then let ask you a question, do you say that morals have no purpose in the mating game because there are no penalties for transgressors of those moral rules ?
For example, if you were living on Iran, were you can get killed for sexual transgressors like adulterous woman, then you would say there are a purpose for morals ?

Morals and law, although somewhat intertwined, are two completely different things.

The reason I say that morals have no place in the mating game is the same reason why I would say that they have no place in war. You have a disneyesque view of male/female relations. The reality is that the stakes are so high, other people will do almost anything to ensure success. This means that although we cover it up in pretty paper and top it with a nice bow, below the surface it is a selfishly driven social dynamic that takes no prisoners.

Use or be used.

He knew. He's a loser. So is she.

A loser who beat you in the mating game. But you can keep calling him that if it makes you feel better.

I understood this concept when I was very young - around 18.

Dating a girl for week - she came into my bedroom, looking like the cat who had stole the milk - she tells me so and so had sex with her last night and wanted me to 'beat him up'.

I turned to her and laughed -

The guy came to me whilst I was playing football, his hand outstretched - He said "Sorry I didn't know it was your GF" - I took his hand, held it tight shook it like one man to another - smiled at him and said "you did me a favour" -

The girl was in ear shot, her face was a picture - Was one the finest moments of my life and I will never forget it - classic!

Spoken like a true modern day alpha. Great story.

Here is some cold hard truth -

No one gives a fcuk -

You think that bad boy gives a shi* about your lementing on a forum?
Do you think the next stud in line to bone your so perfect who*e of a wife gives a shi* if you have kids e.t.c

Do you really think the world works that way?

No, but HE thinks that HE is a bigger man for thinking that way. Take care of all the women and children, then make sure the rest of the men of the world get what they deserve, THEN if there is anything left over they keep it for themselves. Problem is, there is never anything left.

The true bad boy in your eyes, would have fuc*ed her and ran for the hills - it is clear she was swinging from one coc* to another and replacing you with someone else - the guy is not at fault if anything he has now taken over your garbage - you should be thanking him.

They want to PUNISH the other guy for taking out the trash for them. Funny.

 

[jonwon]

SXS

I can’t find anyone saying women cheat more than men in here.

But from where I am sitting, you have no problem going the other way (men cheat more).

Wft is your deal?

One thing I dislike is men doing the feminist fight, if you’re a man and you support this garbage you spew I pity you! Actually I openly resent you.

"Men cheat more than women", I want hard facts and not some feminist- or mangina washed piss-take of a site lamenting about 'all the bad men'.

If anything I’d say its equal - but the difference when a Man cheats, he is more or less doing it for the sex - when a women cheats she is doing it for intimacy.

So in my book a Woman cheating is FAR WORSE than a Man cheating.

Simply because a Man can simply dump his spunk then leave, a women is looking for a connection, hence a whole other ball game of drama that a husband would have to deal with –

Hence if the partner is cheating –

The husband, he will find it far easier to walk away from the women he is cheating with.

But from my experience, once your wife is sitting on another mans coc* - even if you break her away from him, she will be thinking about him, or judging you accordingly against her ‘lover’.

This is more often than not the way it plays out.

A women cheats, there are multiple angles on that cheating, a man cheats, it is more or less one thing ‘sex’.

Also in terms of Tic-tac.

I would say with 80% certainty, his wife was looking for the next beta provider to swing onto –

Tic-tac probably had quality's that could not be bent, or he failed to conform to some of his wife’s demands, hence like a traditional western who*re, she bailed out with ease and jumped on the next available chump to take her shi*. instead of actually trying to make it work - Tictac, sorry to jump on your nuts, your just another statistic but your mind is in the right place, keep searching.


I want to ask you SXS are you a woman? No matter what is posted, you always take the female angle - ok that’s not too bad, but when you menstruate over some random spew that is just emotive nonsense without backing up your absurd claims, you sound just like the alternative viewpoint that has infact plagued the western sphere like a disease to the system.

It’s refreshing to read the opposing, without having to pick up a national paper and read this type of thing - 'Men cheat more' - without seeing cold hard facts - which simply paints men as villains and women victims.

I call it Bulls-Shi*, or prove it.

 

[ketostix]

Morals and law, although somewhat intertwined, are two completely different things.

The reason I say that morals have no place in the mating game is the same reason why I would say that they have no place in war. You have a disneyesque view of male/female relations. The reality is that the stakes are so high, other people will do almost anything to ensure success. This means that although we cover it up in pretty paper and top it with a nice bow, below the surface it is a selfishly driven social dynamic that takes no prisoners.

Use or be used.

But there are rules in war and most all developed countries signed on to them. Many Nazi were hung, sentenced to prison and even today get captured. Sure sometimes people break them, but they are risking being held accountable.

There's rules in the mating game and always were. The basics like consent (the rule against rape) and age (age of consent).

How is no rules in the mating game really not just feminism? There's really no such thing as no rules, maybe less rules, but in any vacuum someone steps in. And that is what women have done. They are creating all the rules to the mating game. Aren't you really saying no standards for women? You might say you have your personal standards, but your standards against the world's (women's and their male cronies) doesn't seem like they are too enforcable. No women needs or cares to meet your standards when there plenty of other guys that don't make her.

I see the matter as men enforcing rules and standards that are favorable to them or women enforce their rules. No rules or standards in the mating gaming philosophy sure sounds like women hold all the cards and sounds like feminism to me. To me it's the exact opposite of "patriarchy". I guess you see it as a "mating game", and I see it as gender roles and what society expects for women to meet. Well society keeps piling the roles and expectations on men but none on women.

 

[Tictac]

But there are rules in war and most all developed countries signed on to them. Many Nazi were hung, sentenced to prison and even today get captured. Sure sometimes people break them, but they are risking being held accountable.

There's rules in the mating game and always were. The basics like consent (the rule against rape) and age (age of consent).

How is no rules in the mating game really not just feminism? There's really no such thing as no rules, maybe less rules, but in any vacuum someone steps in. And that is what women have done. They are creating all the rules to the mating game. Aren't you really saying no standards for women? You might say you have your personal standards, but your standards against the world's (women's and their male cronies) doesn't seem like they are too enforcable. No women needs or cares to meet your standards when there plenty of other guys that don't make her.

I see the matter as men enforcing rules and standards that are favorable to them or women enforce their rules. No rules or standards in the mating gaming philosophy sure sounds like women hold all the cards and sounds like feminism to me. To me it's the exact opposite of "patriarchy". I guess you see it as a "mating game", and I see it as gender roles and what society expects for women to meet. Well society keeps piling the roles and expectations on men but none on women.

Keto,

Well reasoned and on point. I think that Guru1000's signature say "Are you willing to walk away?". That's the ultimate test of internal rules in civilized societies. The willingness and ability to do that is not without price or (sometimes) pain. It just helps you decide which is more important, your situation or your standards.

As for the rules of war, they are rarely honored in the moment. Its only after, when those who would enforce the rules show up and decide that somebody broke them. Its a futile effort to impose order on chaos. Many good men get sacrificed to that. But sometimes a really crazy bastard is found out. Is it worth it? It may be necessary but does not recognize just how crazy men killing one another over a piece of ground is.

The madness of combat really cannot have rules other than self-preservation and protection of your mates. And that's because youare trained to do it and you know your mates have got your back if the most real of life's games.

Its different when weapons aren't in play. You can and should walk away as soon as practical from those that would have you sacrifice yourself to their rules or engage in something with no rules.

Ultimately you never really know anyone. You can decide for yourself what is important to you and not let that go. And onec a lover or a friend proves that you must sacrifice your honor to be with them, you decide which is more important and act on that.

Sic semper,
Tictac

 

[Colossus]

It’s refreshing to read the opposing, without having to pick up a national paper and read this type of thing - 'Men cheat more' - without seeing cold hard facts - which simply paints men as villains and women victims.

I call it Bulls-Shi*, or prove it.

Anecdotally I think men and women cheat more or less equally. There is probably some correlation with age---i.e. younger women cheat more. The problem with "statistics" about cheating is you never get the whole picture. They either represent a small slice of the population or they only represent what has garnered legal repercussions, like divorce. Plus there is the honesty factor.

On SS it gets represented unfairly because we mostly talk about women cheating, but how many friends do you have who get a little 'extra' outside of their wife/gf?

The reality is no one will ever know for sure, and our own experiences shape our beliefs.

There is a bit of a double standard, because a lot of men feel it is their prerogative to pursue extra as$ besides their wife/gf, due to the disparity in sexual drives and the tendency of men to get bored with the same girl. I say if you wanna do it, that's fine, just dont get bent out of shape if it happens to you.

 

[SXS]

SXS

I can’t find anyone saying women cheat more than men in here.

But you can find many guys victmizing themselves over women cheating and lying, when it's obvious for anyone who isn't extremely angry and bitter that men do the same thing.
I am not a victim, I am a man with 100% control over my life, or who is in my life.

But from where I am sitting, you have no problem going the other way (men cheat more).
Wft is your deal?

Hm ?

One thing I dislike is men doing the feminist fight, if you’re a man and you support this garbage you spew I pity you! Actually I openly resent you.

Your problem, really.

"Men cheat more than women", I want hard facts and not some feminist- or mangina washed piss-take of a site lamenting about 'all the bad men'.

Statisticly, I think 10 or 15% more men cheat when comparing with women. In my country, I think it was 25% of married men against 15% of married woemn admited they have cheated. Even if it's the same, probably, isn't much different this days, but men in general are not exactly prizes in any sense.

If anything I’d say its equal - but the difference when a Man cheats, he is more or less doing it for the sex - when a women cheats she is doing it for intimacy.

I don't even know what that means, and honestly, what's the difference ? Arent you rationalyzing the facts right now ?

So in my book a Woman cheating is FAR WORSE than a Man cheating.
Simply because a Man can simply dump his spunk then leave, a women is looking for a connection, hence a whole other ball game of drama that a husband would have to deal with –

Dude, women have sex with strangers everyday for a few bucks, how crazy is that ?

Hence if the partner is cheating –
The husband, he will find it far easier to walk away from the women he is cheating with.

As far as I know, men hardly leave any woman. Not only that, but men are often willing to take any crap possible ffrom hot women because of their *****. I'll be clear on that, I don't pity for one second any man like that, just like I don't feel pity from women taking crap from bad boys and whining about it.

But from my experience, once your wife is sitting on another mans coc* - even if you break her away from him, she will be thinking about him, or judging you accordingly against her ‘lover’.
This is more often than not the way it plays out.

My friend, if your wife has seen another ****, and you are even considering FOR ONE SECOND to take her back, you are a chump, and I don't pity you, or any man like that.

A women cheats, there are multiple angles on that cheating, a man cheats, it is more or less one thing ‘sex’.
Also in terms of Tic-tac.

Good. So, are you saying that women should allow their husbands to have another woman on the side or not ?

I would say with 80% certainty, his wife was looking for the next beta provider to swing onto –
Tic-tac probably had quality's that could not be bent, or he failed to conform to some of his wife’s demands, hence like a traditional western who*re, she bailed out with ease and jumped on the next available chump to take her shi*. instead of actually trying to make it work - Tictac, sorry to jump on your nuts, your just another statistic but your mind is in the right place, keep searching.

I don't know the exact circunstances of tictac's life, but he should have been more carefull. None of us are immune of anything bad. People lie, cheat, steal, abuse, and that was never any exclusive of any gender, race, ethnic background and so on.

I want to ask you SXS are you a woman?

No, I am not a woman.

No matter what is posted, you always take the female angle - ok that’s not too bad, but when you menstruate over some random spew that is just emotive nonsense without backing up your absurd claims, you sound just like the alternative viewpoint that has infact plagued the western sphere like a disease to the system.

I don't take the female angle, I always take the logical angle, not the victim angle. Tell me exactly where did I ever posted any "emotive nonsense" in this forum.

It’s refreshing to read the opposing, without having to pick up a national paper and read this type of thing - 'Men cheat more' - without seeing cold hard facts - which simply paints men as villains and women victims.

The funny thing that in this forum you read the exact same victimizing stuff from feminists, just 180 degrees turned. Even the exact same words are used.

I call it Bulls-Shi*, or prove it.

That depends if you believes in statistics or not. I am sure that your country has an institute or university that does this kind of study, right ? If you don't believe them, it's another thing.

I have little time now, I'll continue later.