Luke Skywalker said:
Well, I may as well come to my own defense here. I think this is mob mentality and, while I am following all the forum rules and regulations, this other poster, on the other hand is violating the rules by blatantly flaming me with this thread and appears to be getting away with it.
Why dont you democratically change the rules if you like, make a poll on it, and have it to apply to everyone - if you want to start banning virgins, then you'll be banning allot of people on here, but go ahead and make it apply to everyone.
And for the record, I'm not going to lose my virginity with any std infested ho because in reality, that's advice that I really do not care about following - frankly I think I'm listening to advice here namely from people like Bible_Belt and Snowplowman - I think the OP and people like him are just wannabe player keyboard jockies and are probably virgins themselves , and in reality I have my own agenda with who I'm seeing (In fact I'm meeting someone from the internet tommorow and have a few contacts from work that I'm going to be following up on and until that's purged from my system, then I'm going to move on - which will be this week/next week), and I dont have to post about every thing in my life to please douchebags like this op. In fact, most people post threads if they need advice, not to talk about things that are going ok, or pursuing contacts or whatever.
I have already committed to a policy of action where I'm only posting stuff based on actual concrete action that I am taking - and I believe I posted that on a thread somewhere.
I wonder what other person on here is going to be targeted like this.
Field Work vs Keyboard Jockeying
Here are the things, in order, that are fundamentally important to improving your skills with chicks:
Interact with women
Read Seduction material
Meet other guys
Maintain a Life
Interact with women
You'll hear it time and time again, field is key. Nothing improves any skill more than practice. You don't learn to ride a bike by reading a book.
When guys new to the community see guys like Tyler or guys with even a modicum of skill, they are often amazed. They often think they can never get that good. They attribute it to looks or money or living in a mansion, or any other quality they can't easily attain. But these guys have worked hard to reach this level of skill.
Tyler probably has over 10,000 cold approaches under his belt. Protocol went out for 179 nights solid. For a while, cold approaches should become like a video game, where you are continually hitting 'Start', reaching a new level, and starting all over again.
If you're frustrated with the progress you're not making, ask yourself how many different girls you've talked to in the last month. 1? 5? 100? It would be easy to think that this figure is dependent on ability, but it's not. It's dependent on commitment and self-discipline. Any guy can walk down a street and say hi to ten women a day. That guy will progress faster than the guy who just says hi to one a month.
Read Seduction material
The best Seduction materials are a product of other guys interactions with women. They've written down their experiences to pass on to others. Reading can never be as helpful to you as actually interacting with women, but as a reinforcement it is awesome.
You should definitely read as much material as you can, but ONLY when there are really no chicks around to talk to. There is never a time when you should say "I might as well read, because when I meet a chick in real life I don't know what to do". Go out and work it out as you go along.
The materials can really help when they are written by someone who has a better perception of social interactions than you. They can spot things that you would otherwise miss, and that you will end up looking for in future. They can explain concepts so that you understand them earlier than you would through fieldwork alone. But you still need the fieldwork to cement those concepts. If you read about a seduction idea, you will probably forget about it unless you see it or use it in the field within a couple of weeks.
Other people's experience will always be second to your own, so it is pointless to try and make things work for you that are not congruent with your style or that are beyond your level of ability. However it is essential to consider even those things that seem alien to you.
Read as much as you can
Try stuff out, see if you can make it your own
Keep it, or discard it
A careful omission there is "***** and whine that it doesn't work for you", "make personal attacks on the person who suggested it".
Respect that what works for one person may not work for another. Remember also that what doesn't work for you one day may end up working for you in the future.
Meet other guys
One of the fastest ways to learn is to see other guys in action, whether they are naturals or trained PUAs. There will always be details lacking when you read about a particular style.
For a newbie this can be a real eye-opener. Just seeing what is possible, and thoroughly believing that you can achieve those things in the future, is an awesome experience.
Having a regular wing of similar ability to you is a great help. You will have different strengths to demonstrate and different weaknesses to help each other out with. It's important not to stale out or stall with your wing - you should both be reading enough to find new things to try, and consulting with guys of higher ability.
The paid seminars and workshops may or may not be worth it for you. I found that when I took a workshop it was precisely the right time for me to get the most from it.
