Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[SELF-MASTERY]

ok self mastery, 50-somethin is a pretty good #, and u are 26 years old

now......keep in mind, im only 21, and ive also gone thru 50 -somethin girls just like u, so i have the same experience u do only in a shorter period of time, so dont u think i have good backing for the advice that im giving, cuz it relates to u and i kno it relates to everyone

u get REAL confidence purely to go sarge on girls only when u feel ur good looking enough, its the real life experience fact, its not just some unapplied theoretical assumption

It is semi-truthful advice that shouldn't be labled as gospel. I agree that we should try look or best, but I HATE the idea that my confidence should be center on the fact that I have dimples, sexy eyes, and a nice body (which I do:rock Guys need to believe in themselves and don't need to feel like they have to be Adonis before they can confidently approach a pretty lady. FK that use what you have and improve upon it. Most guys here proably have average looks and just need to live this shyt and develop a bigger/ better personality. I hate excuses and I hate giving these guys another reason to doubt themselves. I agree with you on the fact that tactics are lame, and that they are pretty useless.

Live this shyt.

 

[qweretyuiopas]

I don't think skip quite gets you self-mast.
You see skip you are comparing yourself to self-mast on the amount of chicks you bagged as in whoever has the higher number wins. You seem to be more into getting women, where as self-mast just does his own thing and is a better man in all aspects which in turn will make him more attractive to women. Im not saying how you are doing is bad skip ( i mean i havent slept with a quarter of that many) Im just saying you 2 guys base your happiness off different things. You skip use getting women as your way of becoming happy where as self-mast just makes everybody around him happy which makes him happy.

I hope I didnt mess up or give the wrong assumption about either of you 2, if Im wrong or missed something please correct me.

 

[pooparu]

The HO chooses you, and don't forget that shyt.

No.....I've had more than a few girls ask me out, or have my cousin or sister tell me they wanted me, the "ho" doesn't always choose anything, generalizations are not your friend . Whoever starts the pursuing leaves themselves vulnerable, but if I don't like a girls personality I drop her.

I consider myself THE MAN rather than a part of men,.

Here we go with the alpha male **** again. Instead of wasting my time posting about how no one is "the man" and all I'll just leave you to read this:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30513

Take it or leave it. That whole alpha male crap is just a name, it doesn't physically exist, sometimes I wish no one would have put a name to that alpha male, I am big man rawr, ****, then we wouldn't have to deal with all the posts about being the alpha male and all. If you have to say, mention, think or even the words Alpha male pop into your head without an external stimulus triggering you to think of those words, than you are not an alpha male. When you reach a certain level you won't be thinking of **** like that (not that I'm all the way there yet).

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

Qweretyuiopas you summed me up just fine.

Pooparu, my whole point is that attraction is hard to fake, and that there is very little that someone can do --within the moment-- to make themselves more attractive. Women know what they want, and they non-verbally tell us who they want all the time. Yeah they normally choose us.

 

[Leonardo]

If you have to say, mention, think or even the words Alpha male pop into your head without an external stimulus triggering you to think of those words, than you are not an alpha male. When you reach a certain level you won't be thinking of **** like that (not that I'm all the way there yet).

Amusing, you must have misunderstood me. There is no level I need to reach, my friend. I dont believe that I am better than anyone else in essence, but in reality I just may be. I never in my head think, "Leonardo that is un-alpha", "Leonardo that is a beta thing to do". What I mean is most people, men and women, are insecure, and in essence that is not what I believe men and women should me. I believe that people should be confident in themselves just for being themselves not because of other people's influence, that is true beauty, true freedom, true confidence. Say what you may but adhering to other's influence all the time is pathetic, it is not manlike. People are equal, but those with less confidence lessen themselves. That is the essence of this whole thread.

 

[pooparu]

Amusing, you must have misunderstood me. There is no level I need to reach, my friend. I dont believe that I am better than anyone else in essence, but in reality I just may be. I never in my head think, "Leonardo that is un-alpha", "Leonardo that is a beta thing to do". What I mean is most people, men and women, are insecure, and in essence that is not what I believe men and women should me. I believe that people should be confident in themselves just for being themselves not because of other people's influence, that is true beauty, true freedom, true confidence. Say what you may but adhering to other's influence all the time is pathetic, it is not manlike. People are equal, but those with less confidence lessen themselves. That is the essence of this whole thread.

Again, you are not better than anyone else, you just possess different talents from others. I used to have a mindset sort of like yours and I still do on some fronts, but no one is better htan anyone else, we are all people and we should just enjoy life.

 

[Leonardo]

Again, you are not better than anyone else, you just possess different talents from others. I used to have a mindset sort of like yours and I still do on some fronts, but no one is better htan anyone else, we are all people and we should just enjoy life.

Whatever lets you go to sleep at night.

 

[asdfghjkl]

It is semi-truthful advice that shouldn't be labled as gospel. I agree that we should try look or best, but I HATE the idea that my confidence should be center on the fact that I have dimples, sexy eyes, and a nice body (which I do:rock
Live this shyt.

I think thats the best advice to take out of this thread

 

[Dayum itz jee]

there are days when im wearin somethin FRESH, do my hair nice, got a nice tan and everythin, and i shoot the mirror a look and i say "damn any girl would be LUCKY to be with s stud as good looking as you!"

and at that moment, i feel INVINCIBLE, because i kno in my right mind that im better looking that any girl im gonna talk to!!!

Been there woot! Love that Feeling!

 

[AngelusPUA]

How much do looks matter?

As I write this I’m 30,000 feet in the air getting eyeball fu*ked by a cute HB8 flight attendant. Over there whispering to her friend, I know what she’s thinking, the same thing that every woman that looks at me thinks “I want to f*ck him”.

She is attracted to me, why though? Is it because I am physically appealing, because I have money or is it how I carry myself?

I am writing this thread because of the overwhelming posts I am seeing about “looks” and how much they matter.

Seduction books…. I have read them all from David DeAngelo to the underground books by Zane, in all these books I notice a common theme, they all want to implant into your head that looks don’t matter. All you have to do is look your best and you can get laid like a rock star. What most people fail to notice though is that seduction gurus are business men and like most business men they sell you an illusion, if they sell people the truth they will be out of business.

Ok picture what I am doing right now...
Me: (I’m signaling with my hand for the flight attendant to come over)
Her: How may I…..
Me: What’s your name?
Her: Tania
Me: You’re from Melbourne right?
Her: Yes
Me: (I’m smiling not saying anything and holding eye contact, I don’t speak for 5 seconds, I love doing this it builds up tension) You should give me your number, I want to take you out when I get back to Melbourne.
Her: (she is blushing) Ok (she is walking away)

This all happened right now, I was actually typing while I was speaking to her.
Now If I was wearing a $10 t-shirt, some torn shorts, sandals and I was badly groomed what do you think she would have said to me?

“Sorry sir but we are not allowed to have relationships with passengers, company policy”

Rules of Attraction

Telling yourself looks don’t matter is idiotic and self destructive because you are effectively rationalizing for your own misfortunes. Looks do matter, it is a scientifically proven fact, I don’t like science and frankly I think it’s boring so I will keep this science paragraph short. Science says that women are subconsciously attracted to men who are physically fit and who are endowed with the general features of a person that society determines are appealing. They are instantly attracted to these people because attractive people are likely to produce attractive offspring. Deep down we are all animalistic in nature and when we look for a mate we want the best………

I’m going to break down the facets of attraction so people will have a clearer picture of what women are attracted to.

-Physical features (face, and body)
-Success (How much money you have, your job and were you are in life)
-Drive (If you are the type of person that has the drive to succeed)
-Personality (This includes your game and traits)

Women are foremost attracted to looks, it is a sad fact of life but if you are a 5/10 and you approach a HB10 before you even utter one word she will already have decided she is not going to sleep with you. If you are a 1-4/10 you better work on the success thing and become rich otherwise you will end up with an overweight, crazy b*tch with an afro.

The good thing is you can work hard and develop 90% of the attributes that women find attractive. You can quit your dead end job and start a career, you can develop the drive to change your life and you can work on your personality. If you want more female attention its simple…….

-Go to the GYM and get a nice body, most women are attracted to the Brad Pitt type body thin but toned.

-Buy good cloths, good cloths cost money but they are a worthwhile investment. How you dress speaks volumes about who you are and how much self respect you have.

-Be well groomed.

-Work on your personality

Don’t think learning a few canned lines from this website will give you the ability to seduce Jessica Alba. Being a DJ is about more than having game; it’s about having personality and looking the best you can. So get of your chair and go to the gym, if you can’t afford the gym do some pushups or go for a run. Get a haircut and shave, go cloths shopping and work and developing the personality traits that women find appealing.

Looks are very important but they aren’t the be all and end all of dating and frankly I doubt your ugly I mean I hardly ever see truly ugly people. Most people are average looking but unkempt; think about how a peacock displays his feather to attract females. You need to be a peacock so get a nice body, wear nice cloths and develop and appealing personality.

Women aren’t attracted to fat guys with no self confidence who try to use canned lines from ‘DYD ‘or ‘The Game’.

 

[GatorBait]

I agree with you for the most part.

Everyone can work on these aspects of "looks":

1. Fitness: Get to the gym. Girls like guys that are in shape, period. You'll increase your self-confidence too.
2. Grooming: practice good hygeine, have a fashionable hairstyle, keep your teeth white, pluck that unibrow growing between your eyeballs, in general, care about how you look and present yourself.
3. Clothes: Wear nice clothes. You don't have to change your style with every fashion trend. Just put some thought and effort into what you wear.

However, you can't help your genetics and facial structure. The good news is that I constantly see guys who have mediocre faces (they do have the previously mentioned aspects of looks and good personalities) get hot chicks night after night. Take care of the physical attributes that you can change and most likely you'll have no problems at all.

I can't help but laugh sometimes because I picture some of the guys on these forums as 50 lbs overweight, with long, greasy hair and dorky glasses running around trying to use seduction methods on random girls.

 

[AngelusPUA]

If you have an average face and all those other attributes you can get women easily. You probably won’t get a HB10 but you will get some nice looking women.

 

[Eccentric]

Don’t think learning a few canned lines from this website will give you the ability to seduce Jessica Alba. Being a DJ is about more than having game; it’s about having personality and looking the best you can. So get of your chair and go to the gym, if you can’t afford the gym do some pushups or go for a run. Get a haircut and shave, go cloths shopping and work and developing the personality traits that women find appealing.

Looks are very important but they aren’t the be all and end all of dating and frankly I doubt your ugly I mean I hardly ever see truly ugly people. Most people are average looking but unkempt; think about how a peacock displays his feather to attract females. You need to be a peacock so get a nice body, wear nice cloths and develop and appealing personality.

Women aren’t attracted to fat guys with no self confidence who try to use canned lines from ‘DYD ‘or ‘The Game’.

This is from my post @ SBB.

Sites like this, along with DYD, have helped me greatly. To understand things in a different perspective, the perspective that girls were fine tuning through out high school; while we were glued to videogames, porn, and staring at hot girls rather than approaching.

I think the advice given was the tip of the iceberg. We learned to think outside the box, and go against the trend, or what we were taught by parents. At first the advice was "bogus", because as far back as we can remember it was always the "right" move to treat a girl with respect. So when we read that we should bust her balls, add no to our vocab when she asks us a question, etc. we were like uhhh ok?

Now I don't claim to be a PUA, because to me that's not important. What is important is that I've gathered (and learned) all the information I deemed necessary to help me live a better life; mentally, physically, and socially.

I improved my strengths, eliminated bad habits and weaknesses. Combine that with a better lifestyle, and you'll see your whole world change. It's something a dating book wont teach you, but it will point you in the right direction if you can stomach the journey.

[END]

So I think you're right about being a DJ. It goes so much deeper than sarging and field reports. It's about the lifestyle you live, the people you affect, how your personality paints a picture of who you are, and what you believe in. Not memorizing pick up lines from a David DeAngelo weekly email.

 

[englishman]

This is from my post @ SBB.

To understand things in a different perspective, the perspective that girls were fine tuning through out high school; while we were glued to videogames, porn, and staring at hot girls rather than approaching.

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When I was at high school (Long fvcking time ago) I had fights all the time, screwed beautiful girls, set fire to the school at age 15 and quit at 16.... never did the video games thing?:kick:

 

[Driven2Succeed]

ANGELESPUA,

i like ur posts man.. i really have a similar mindset to u in terms of what is nice in a kind and gentle world and what is REALITY in this world we live in. i commented on one of ur threads on "How important an Apartment is" or somthing to that effect..

basically u are totally right brother.. attraction isn't a choice, but being attractive or getting there is a choice.. basically, the man i am trying to become is one who is very fit, has a career, driven to succeed, and has game and is an overall good guy. right now i am just chasing my goals.. lifting 6x a week, running 4-5x a week, serving in the Army and moving up pretty quickly, driving a nice car and always having full pockets to buy whatever toys i want and do what i want, and just perfecting my game.. i think i am well on my way..

i think confidence is key..and when life is good and u are chasing goals and achieving them, confidence will naturally follow..i know i am most confident when i am staying busy and doing big things in life, ya know?

it is very easy for a woman to sense a man who is not confident and comfortable with who he is. women are attracted to a man who knows who he is and what he wants in life. there is no question about it..

looks are very important too, but not only in terms of girls..i posted a thread in the health and fitness forum on how being in shape crosses over to every aspect of your life..i wouldn't call myself a 10 or anything in the face, maybe a 7 or 8, but when it comes to my body, somthing i have control of i easily rate in the top 90% in most cases..i will most always be the most fit person in a room or even on a plane of 300 people..this is all me tho, i control it..

also, know ur strengths and weaknesses, and maximize ur strengths while working to eliminate weaknesses..

get ur lives in check and do whatever u can to better yourselves.. military did it for me and got my mind rite.. anyone interested? i will give u any info i have and if i dont know i garuntee i kno someone who does..

 

[So pimp its scary]

ok, YES looks DO matter... but not NEARLY as much as it matters for a woman to be good looking.

Looks as far as women go is more of a package deal. Meaning, that if you got an ugly mug, but you are strong, confident, fit, and all the other things, you could find yourself hooking up with women much more 'attractive' than yourself.

For example, I'm hardly a model type, but I've dated several women that were 'holy shyt' hot.

What's more important than being good looking is to have the right attitude and personality. Granted, if you go to a dating website, well, then all you really have to go on is a good picture. and a well written paragraph...

 

[AngelusPUA]

That’s exactly what I'm saying, improve on the parts you can to make up for the parts your lacking. If your lacking in natural beauty than go to the gym, get a personality, get a career were you make money.

If you got an ugly face you probably won’t be dating a HB10 but you can date hot girls......

Thanks 'Driven2Succeed'

 

[unknownDJ]

As I write this I’m 30,000 feet in the air getting eyeball fu*ked by a cute HB8 flight attendant. Over there whispering to her friend, I know what she’s thinking, the same thing that every woman that looks at me thinks “I want to f*ck him”.

She is attracted to me, why though? Is it because I am physically appealing, because I have money or is it how I carry myself?

I am writing this thread because of the overwhelming posts I am seeing about “looks” and how much they matter.

Seduction books…. I have read them all from David DeAngelo to the underground books by Zane, in all these books I notice a common theme, they all want to implant into your head that looks don’t matter. All you have to do is look your best and you can get laid like a rock star. What most people fail to notice though is that seduction gurus are business men and like most business men they sell you an illusion, if they sell people the truth they will be out of business.

Ok picture what I am doing right now...
Me: (I’m signaling with my hand for the flight attendant to come over)
Her: How may I…..
Me: What’s your name?
Her: Tania
Me: You’re from Melbourne right?
Her: Yes
Me: (I’m smiling not saying anything and holding eye contact, I don’t speak for 5 seconds, I love doing this it builds up tension) You should give me your number, I want to take you out when I get back to Melbourne.
Her: (she is blushing) Ok (she is walking away)

This all happened right now, I was actually typing while I was speaking to her.
Now If I was wearing a $10 t-shirt, some torn shorts, sandals and I was badly groomed what do you think she would have said to me?

“Sorry sir but we are not allowed to have relationships with passengers, company policy”

Rules of Attraction

Telling yourself looks don’t matter is idiotic and self destructive because you are effectively rationalizing for your own misfortunes. Looks do matter, it is a scientifically proven fact, I don’t like science and frankly I think it’s boring so I will keep this science paragraph short. Science says that women are subconsciously attracted to men who are physically fit and who are endowed with the general features of a person that society determines are appealing. They are instantly attracted to these people because attractive people are likely to produce attractive offspring. Deep down we are all animalistic in nature and when we look for a mate we want the best………

I’m going to break down the facets of attraction so people will have a clearer picture of what women are attracted to.

-Physical features (face, and body)
-Success (How much money you have, your job and were you are in life)
-Drive (If you are the type of person that has the drive to succeed)
-Personality (This includes your game and traits)

Women are foremost attracted to looks, it is a sad fact of life but if you are a 5/10 and you approach a HB10 before you even utter one word she will already have decided she is not going to sleep with you. If you are a 1-4/10 you better work on the success thing and become rich otherwise you will end up with an overweight, crazy b*tch with an afro.

The good thing is you can work hard and develop 90% of the attributes that women find attractive. You can quit your dead end job and start a career, you can develop the drive to change your life and you can work on your personality. If you want more female attention its simple…….

-Go to the GYM and get a nice body, most women are attracted to the Brad Pitt type body thin but toned.

-Buy good cloths, good cloths cost money but they are a worthwhile investment. How you dress speaks volumes about who you are and how much self respect you have.

-Be well groomed.

-Work on your personality

Don’t think learning a few canned lines from this website will give you the ability to seduce Jessica Alba. Being a DJ is about more than having game; it’s about having personality and looking the best you can. So get of your chair and go to the gym, if you can’t afford the gym do some pushups or go for a run. Get a haircut and shave, go cloths shopping and work and developing the personality traits that women find appealing.

Looks are very important but they aren’t the be all and end all of dating and frankly I doubt your ugly I mean I hardly ever see truly ugly people. Most people are average looking but unkempt; think about how a peacock displays his feather to attract females. You need to be a peacock so get a nice body, wear nice cloths and develop and appealing personality.

Women aren’t attracted to fat guys with no self confidence who try to use canned lines from ‘DYD ‘or ‘The Game’.

of course looks matter, it's common sense- everyone knows it... only ppl who lack physical appearences make some sort of an excuse that it don't matter

 

[AngelusPUA]

Incase you are ignorant, if you read the begining of the post you would see that I said "I am writing this thread because of the overwhelming posts I am seeing about “looks” and how much they matter."

 

[AngelusPUA]

You have looks but obviously you lack in the other facets of attraction.....

What do you wear?

How is your body?

Are you confident?

You also have to consider the women could have had BF's or anynumber of reasons, I mean what you say is nto difinitive proof that looks don't matter. If youa re gettign rejected you are obviously not attractive overall. I'm a DJ and I know for a fact looks matter, if you are ugly and don't dress well I don't care how much personality you have you can forget sleeping with a classy HB10.