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Well you stand as being wrong then... I've never met a guy with long hair that turned out to be a girl (most transvestites and drag queens are short haired homos wearing wigs), but I have met a good number of guys with long hair that are musicans... and most aren't the least bit feminine. You can't make a statment in a culture where 95% of the male population has short hair that "a guy with short hair is going to be a guy". You stating the fvcking obvious. I've got three or four male friends who shave their head bald (which is about as rare as long hair nowadays) but it doesn't indicate that they're old just because a good majority of bald men are old (not by choice). Statistcs and preception are not the same thing.
bwahhaaahaa, you obviously did not understand what I said. ofcourse you never met a guy with long hair that turned out to be agirl, obviously if he was aguy with long hair, he aint a girl with long hair, haha. What I said was if you randomly select a person, key word RANDOM, and this person has long hair (keep in mind youre looking for long hair before you know weither he is man or woman, not the other way around), And after you have confirmed that this human has long hair, and then move onto step 2, which is checking its gender, you will find that it is WAYYYYYY more likely to be a woman. does that make sense yet or does you brain hurt when you try to think? and the same Idea holds for short hair, people with short hair are more likely to be male than female. So obviously, long hair is a good indicator of the female gender, and therefore is associated with feminity. sorry buddy.

And yes, statistics and perception are the same thing, statistics is inference, perception is inference, same damn thing. THe same reason both men and women see long hair as feminine is the same reason a statistical test would conclude that long hair is strongly correlated with women.
 

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bwahhaaahaa, you obviously did not understand what I said. ofcourse you never met a guy with long hair that turned out to be agirl, obviously if he was aguy with long hair, he aint a girl with long hair, haha. What I said was if you randomly select a person, key word RANDOM, and this person has long hair (keep in mind youre looking for long hair before you know weither he is man or woman, not the other way around), And after you have confirmed that this human has long hair, and then move onto step 2, which is checking its gender, you will find that it is WAYYYYYY more likely to be a woman. does that make sense yet or does you brain hurt when you try to think? and the same Idea holds for short hair, people with short hair are more likely to be male than female. So obviously, long hair is a good indicator of the female gender, and therefore is associated with feminity. sorry buddy.

And yes, statistics and perception are the same thing, statistics is inference, perception is inference, same damn thing. THe same reason both men and women see long hair as feminine is the same reason a statistical test would conclude that long hair is strongly correlated with women.
I know what you said coqsmoker, I'm just saying it doesn't make a differnce for sh1t 99% of the time. Just becuase it's not worn by men in our society much of the time doesn't mean it's not a unisex concept... that's where your logic is complete and utter sh1t. :yes:

Jewlery is the same, most of the time you pick someone out of a crowd wearing a necklace or an earring, it's going to be a female... it doesn't make it feminine if a guy wears it. Plenty of men have jewlery and/or piercings and it isn't preceived as feminine by most of the population (unless it's feminine jewlery)... the same goes for long hair. It's a unisex concept in American culture, and has been for 40+ years now. Men have been sporting long hairstyles since the mid 1960's on-and-off again. No, it's not the majority... but it doesn't have to be. Sure, if my long hair was a full-bodied spiral perm with fvckin' two-color highlights, it'd be feminine as t1ts & pu$$y, but its not... it's straight, even, and flat, which is unisex, and typically way too plain by women's standards. Just the same, a short haired guy with a women's short-hair cut, say pixie-syle, is going to look pretty damn feminine. Your dumb-a$$ has missed that point from the very fvcking begining of this conversation, the STYLE is what makes a haircut masculine or feminine, not the length. That's the truth of the matter... end of thread, please. :box:
 

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I know what you said coqsmoker, I'm just saying it doesn't make a differnce for sh1t 99% of the time. Just becuase it's not worn by men in our society much of the time doesn't mean it's not a unisex concept... that's where your logic is complete and utter sh1t. :yes:

Jewlery is the same, most of the time you pick someone out of a crowd wearing a necklace or an earring, it's going to be a female... it doesn't make it feminine if a guy wears it. Plenty of men have jewlery and/or piercings and it isn't preceived as feminine by most of the population (unless it's feminine jewlery)... the same goes for long hair. It's a unisex concept in American culture, and has been for 40+ years now. Men have been sporting long hairstyles since the mid 1960's on-and-off again. No, it's not the majority... but it doesn't have to be. Sure, if my long hair was a full-bodied spiral perm with fvckin' two-color highlights, it'd be feminine as t1ts & pu$$y, but its not... it's straight, even, and flat, which is unisex, and typically way too plain by women's standards. Just the same, a short haired guy with a women's short-hair cut, say pixie-syle, is going to look pretty damn feminine. Your dumb-a$$ has missed that point from the very fvcking begining of this conversation, the STYLE is what makes a haircut masculine or feminine, not the length. That's the truth of the matter... end of thread, please. :box:
You just don’t get it do ya? I guess youre too much a longhaired queer :yes:. Who gives a sh1t if something can be worn a minority of the time by men and still be a unisex concept! You’re the dumb ass who is missing the point! Long hair is not considered feminine because it’s worn only by a small minority of men. I never said this is the reason why its feminine sh1t for brains! Thats only half of the reason! (and dont think that becuase its possible for something to be worn only a minority of the time by men and still be unisex means that long hair will be uinsex too; this is where your generalization is way off) What I am saying is that if something is worn by a minority of men AND by the majority of women, then this is what makes it feminine. Your ignorant ass is trying to ignore this concept. You act like gender association is irrelevent in weither or not something is considered feminine/masculine. Well guess what buddy, Its the sole thing that determines if something is feminine. Ever wonder why dresses, make up, flowers, pink, flamboyancee is perceived as feminine in our society? Do you really think that those just magically became perceived as feminine out of no where? Those things are feminine becuase they have become associated with the female gender! THey are highly ubiquitious with women and highly scarce among men, This gender exclusivity will shape society into perceiving it as feminine/masculine which ever the case, GET IT?! I mean can you think of something that is always worn by women, and never worn by men that you would actually perceive as MASCULINE? I didnt think so! gender association is the supreme dictator of our perceptions of what is girly, and what is manly! This gender association is also what dictates if something will be unisex. If something is equally common among men and women, then its unisex. Long hair is about as unisex as a tampon! You dumb fvck, you obviously dont have a clue!

You say that hair style is what predicts femininity/masculinity not hair length? bullsh1t!, bullsh1t!!, bullsh1t!!. You have to know the hair length before the actualy style of the hair will tell you much. As I said before, the attribute "hair length=short" is strongly associated with masculinity, and is a good predictor of it. But its not a perfect predictor of it. roughly 10% of short haired people will turn out to be women. some women do wear short hair (soccer moms, teachers, librarians, etc.) But if we know that the person's hair is short AND we look at their style, we can pretty much get a perfect prediction of their gender. Those 2 attributes together pretty much give perfect information about a persons gender.

If someone's hair= short AND style=pixie feathered, then it will probably be a woman 99% of the time. If one the other hand we know that the persons hair=short AND style=butch, then we know that it will be a man 99% of the time. and then we see that short/pixie hair looks feminine on a guy, hmmm, I wonder why, maybe becuase the joint attribute "short AND pixie" is pretty much exclusive to women, and a woman with a shaved head looks butch becuase the joint attribute short AND butch is exlusive to men. AGAIN, ASSOCIATION DICTATES OUR PERCEPTIONS.

But Heres the part that shows why you suck, the attribute "Hair style" doesnt predict the same way for long hair as it did for short. For short hair, the hair style attribute Could tell us which short haired people where men or women with near 100% certainty, in addition, it was exclusively associated with male or female given the style type. IT AINT LIKE THAT WITH LONG HAIR, With long hair, weither the style attribute=pretty or flat and boring, the arrow still points as women being the most likely gender, no different gender exclusivities here, only one--> the female. sure, a permed and highlighted long hair would predict female with 99% certainty, but when its flat and boring, it would still strongly predict female at 90-95% certainty. long hair is just too damn exclusive to the women, pretty much every possible long haired style is sported by women, including the ugly flat and boring fag look that you got going. It aint like pixie hair on men; there aint no long haired style that will make a woman look butch. the attribute length=long itself is way too exclusive wit the female gender that hair style dont do **** for long hair in terms of gender peception. Itll be perceived as female no matter the hair style.

So to summarize it all up, long hair is pretty much near exclusive to the female gender, which means its bascially girly girl! in other words, YOU STILL LOOK LIKE A QUEEN WITH YOUR LONG HAIR GIRL! And to top it off, Im certain youre an ugly guy, so youre double fvcked! :moon:
 

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You guys can have you hair however the fvck you want.

BUT - Yet again GOGL is using some really obvious logic that sensitive people want to pretend does not exist. It's really sad guys, GOGL's logic might be blunt, shallow, and assh0le-like but it's REAL and OBVIOUS, what some random hot chick will think.. she wants her guy hot and short haired. (Not much more going on up there in her head.) Actually right now, it's allright to be a bit shaggy.

BUT - If you still got long longish hair, that's your decision, some chicks are into that. If it's your lifestyle of course though, you won't get away with it hitting on your average hot girl.

But last thing, long hair does not equal queer, it does equal druggie or something though. YOU MAY NOT THINK THIS. BUT RANDOM PERSON DOES. Therefore Society thinks this.
 

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You guys can have you hair however the fvck you want.

BUT - Yet again GOGL is using some really obvious logic that sensitive people want to pretend does not exist. It's really sad guys, GOGL's logic might be blunt, shallow, and assh0le-like but it's REAL and OBVIOUS, what some random hot chick will think.. she wants her guy hot and short haired. (Not much more going on up there in her head.) Actually right now, it's allright to be a bit shaggy..
Yes, so true, you see the light! And yes, now it IS alright to be shaggy. But shaggy is NOT long hair, shaggy is medium length. long hair is straight, flat, boring, and neck length all around or longer. Much like how these metal head fags like to wear it, that is long. And chicks hate it as much as they hate small penises.
 

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It's nice to see that we can all now agree that appearance is such a limiting factor when it comes to meeting and laying women. If you have long hair, you can't sleep with hot women. FINALLY I SEE THE LIGHT

That's what this site is all about, right? Limiters in our minds?
 

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Everybody sees the light, the just pretend not to if they have something that limits them. It's actually kind of sad, really smart people pretending to not notice the obvious because they have long hair, are ugly, smell bad, etc.

It's like if we all said legs help to jump but the guy in the wheelchair will deny that anybody can jump.. lol I know lame example but that's what guys do all the time.
 

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lol sorry if I was harsh or whatever. (I REALIZE IT WAS SARCASM)

I think the main point being, what's in right now is short or shaggy hair. I mean, that's just how it is right now. It's not limiters in our mind, it's in there's right?
 

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It's nice to see that we can all now agree that appearance is such a limiting factor when it comes to meeting and laying women. If you have long hair, you can't sleep with hot women. FINALLY I SEE THE LIGHT

That's what this site is all about, right? Limiters in our minds?
No its not about limiting yourself and thinking negatively. ITs about get a no-bull**** assesment of reality so you can make realistic decisions that will actually work out in real life. Often, no-bull**** information about reality will be brutal or unfavorable. (this world aint fair at all, life aint fair, Id hope most people realised this already). But intstead of trying to go into denial about it, or throw in the towel and say "i must be limited!", just accept it, and plan around it! plan around the obstacles! or plan how to beat them if possible

If your ugly, and looks matter, then planning around it would include getting plastic surgery, consulting someone with expert advice on how to improve your looks. I mean this would be the best thing to do if you lived in such a world would it not? or you could try the other approach, where the ugly guy living in this cruel world, where you have to be good looking to get women, just goes in denial and says "id be limiting myself to beleive I have to be good looking", then he goes out convincing himself all he needs is game, and he gets shot down everytime. Id say the former approach would give a guy much better results in such a cruel world; hes assessing the world how it really is, and is planning accordingly.

It is always an advantage to get accurate information about a problem you are trying to solve, even if it is unfavorable and something you dont want to hear. Using accurate information, you can deduce the best approach to take which will actually work when applied in real life.
 

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I have long hair. It's not like a girl's long hair. It's kind of shaggy, and it works for me. Sure, girls who frequent clubs looking for the Gotti types aren't initally attracted to my style, but I don't care. Yes I fit in some of the stereotypes of long hair, like being a rocker, playing in a metal band, all that good stuff. I also wear dark black sunglasses alot too. I like it. It's all a matter of preference and what kind of look you want to portray. As long as you're hygenic and keep it clean, you should have no problems.
 

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You just don’t get it do ya? I guess youre too much a longhaired queer :yes:. Who gives a sh1t if something can be worn a minority of the time by men and still be a unisex concept! You’re the dumb ass who is missing the point! Long hair is not considered feminine because it’s worn only by a small minority of men. I never said this is the reason why its feminine sh1t for brains! Thats only half of the reason! (and dont think that becuase its possible for something to be worn only a minority of the time by men and still be unisex means that long hair will be uinsex too; this is where your generalization is way off) What I am saying is that if something is worn by a minority of men AND by the majority of women, then this is what makes it feminine.Your ignorant ass is trying to ignore this concept.
No, it's just not valid. Just like earrings, necklaces or most any jewlery, etc. long hair still unisex... promenent with one gender, scarce in the other, but only the style of the jewlery or hair defines it. 50 Cent wears jewlery... Lil' John's got long hair. Neither of them are feminine...

You act like gender association is irrelevent in weither or not something is considered feminine/masculine. Well guess what buddy, Its the sole thing that determines if something is feminine. Ever wonder why dresses, make up, flowers, pink, flamboyancee is perceived as feminine in our society?Do you really think that those just magically became perceived as feminine out of no where? Those things are feminine becuase they have become associated with the female gender! THey are highly ubiquitious with women and highly scarce among men, This gender exclusivity will shape society into perceiving it as feminine/masculine which ever the case, GET IT?! I mean can you think of something that is always worn by women, and never worn by men that you would actually perceive as MASCULINE?
I've got an idea, why don't you check it out for youself: Try going to a biker rally or death metal show sometime and yell out that guys with long hair and jewlery are feminie because their style is "scacre", and then get your A$$ pounded into the ground... then maybe you can reasses just how feminine it really is.

I didnt think so! gender association is the supreme dictator of our perceptions of what is girly, and what is manly! This gender association is also what dictates if something will be unisex. If something is equally common among men and women, then its unisex. Long hair is about as unisex as a tampon! You dumb fvck, you obviously dont have a clue!
If not unisex, why does every fvcking saloon book in the nation have a long hair section for men? Why do even sh1tty pop groups like the The Black Eyed peas have guys with long hair, men depicted on romance novel covers, rock musicians up the cvnt?! Would you youl call Ice-T or Snoop a fem to his face because he has long hair. How about the guys in Canibal Corpse (again, envisoning you getting your a$$ beat, or better yet, shot).

But Heres the part that shows why you suck, the attribute "Hair style" doesnt predict the same way for long hair as it did for short. For short hair, the hair style attribute Could tell us which short haired people where men or women with near 100% certainty, in addition, it was exclusively associated with male or female given the style type. IT AINT LIKE THAT WITH LONG HAIR, With long hair, weither the style attribute=pretty or flat and boring, the arrow still points as women being the most likely gender, no different gender exclusivities here, only one--> the female. sure, a permed and highlighted long hair would predict female with 99% certainty, but when its flat and boring, it would still strongly predict female at 90-95% certainty. long hair is just too damn exclusive to the women, pretty much every possible long haired style is sported by women, including the ugly flat and boring fag look that you got going. It aint like pixie hair on men; there aint no long haired style that will make a woman look butch. the attribute length=long itself is way too exclusive wit the female gender that hair style dont do **** for long hair in terms of gender peception. Itll be perceived as female no matter the hair style. So to summarize it all up, long hair is pretty much near exclusive to the female gender, which means its bascially girly girl! in other words, YOU STILL LOOK LIKE A QUEEN WITH YOUR LONG HAIR GIRL! And to top it off, Im certain youre an ugly guy, so youre double fvcked! :moon:
First, dude.. I've got a fvcking goatee. ,.|.. ..|., Nobody's going to confuse me for a fvcking chick. For any AMOUNT feminity that long hair could potentially add in your fantasy land, facial hair negates it... After all, there ain't too many women sporting facial hair (we're still using your "scarcity" theory here, right?). In fact, if you take notice, a large portion of long haired guys sport a decent amount of facial hair. Why? Because they're GUYS, fvcking masculine guys. Not the clean shaven, short haired guys you'd see at a gay bar (go to one sometime, homophobe, take a look at the guys...). Second, I'm by no means ugly. I mean, that sort of sh1t is always up to interpratation... but I've been praised on my looks plenty of times before so I'm not too woried in that department.
 

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No, it's just not valid. Just like earrings, necklaces or most any jewlery, etc. long hair still unisex... promenent with one gender, scarce in the other, but only the style of the jewlery or hair defines it. 50 Cent wears jewlery... Lil' John's got long hair. Neither of them are feminine...
Okay, jewelry is just a bad example, a really bad one. Jewelry is not like long hair in the sense that jewelry is more equally common among both sexes, unlike hairlengths. where as short hair is more common in men, and long is more common in women. You see, in todays world, men like to accessorize too. Again, jewelry is just a bad example. If you thought jewelry was practically exclusive to the female sex like long hair, youre dead wrong my friend! Comparing jewelry to hair in this argument is like comparing apples to oranges.
You say style is what determines if jewelry is feminine or not, style as opposed to what? You cant break down jewelry into 2 attributes like you can with hair. In hair, you can break it down into 2 attributes, length and style. In jewelry you cant do that. In jewelry, its just style, that’s it. Its not like you can have jewelry style as one attribute to look at and then the presence of jewelry or not as another. Theyre not independent attributes my friend!!! Style is dependant on jewelry being there. If the person aint wearing jewelry, then we cant measure style. But we don’t have to know their hair length to know what style they have. You can have plain looking hair and have it long or short. You can have funky looking hair and have it long or short. But for jewelry, you can only have style if theyre wearing jewely. So my point is, style is the only attribute that there is when trying to know if someone is a man or woman based on jewelry. So of course style will be the key determining attribute with jewelry! But where the fvck do you get off extending this to hair? Oh because we look at style for jewelry to predict if the preson is man/woman then this means the same has to be true with hair? That we look at their hair style and not length? WTF? Where the fvck did that generalization come from?

As I said before, hair length is the primary factor in predicting if someone is a man or woman, and so it will also be the most associated attribute with a given sex. Hair style is the secondary factor in predicting if a person will be a man or woman; it is not quite as strongly associated with a given sex as hair. Both attributes together are perfect predictors of a given sex and so a given combination of a hairlength and hair style will wither be feminine or masculine, and nothing inbetween. The only reason dread locks are masculine even though its long hair is because the attribute hair=long AND style=dredded is almost exclusive to the male sex. Dreadlocks are rare in general, but if you ever do see them, they will be sported be a man, not a woman. Again, consistent with what the theory predicts, if it is associated with men, it will be seen as masculine. Dredlocks are the only long haired style pretty much exclusive to men, it’s the exception to the rule. All other long haired styles are pretty much exclusive to women. So basically this means if your hair is long in length AND it is NOT dredded, then you’ve got hair strongly associated with women, and will be seen as feminine. You don’t have dreadlocks do you? Okay so then yes, your gay long hair is feminine my friend!!!!


I've got an idea, why don't you check it out for youself: Try going to a biker rally or death metal show sometime and yell out that guys with long hair and jewlery are feminie because their style is "scacre", and then get your A$$ pounded into the ground... then maybe you can reasses just how feminine it really is.
Okay, so If I walk into a drag queen gay bar, and yell out how gay theyre for being a bunch of feminine men wearing long hair, make up, and womens clothes, and explain why doing that is a “womanly thing” and so theyre gay fags because of it. Im sure they will all want to gang up on me and beat my ass. BUT DOES THIS PROVE THAT THEY ARENT FEMININE? Hell no!!!!!

If not unisex, why does every fvcking saloon book in the nation have a long hair section for men? Why do even sh1tty pop groups like the The Black Eyed peas have guys with long hair, men depicted on romance novel covers, rock musicians up the cvnt?! Would you youl call Ice-T or Snoop a fem to his face because he has long hair. How about the guys in Canibal Corpse (again, envisoning you getting your a$$ beat, or better yet, shot).
Why does every salon book in the nation for women have a short haired section that will undoubtedly have some very short hair styles that look butch and perfect for a dyke lesbian? The answer is the same: these books are designed to appeal to clients of all kinds, from the lesbian dykes, to the effeminent men as well as your normal men and women who respectively wear their hair short and long. Im sure ***** long haired men like you would be mad if you had to ask to look at a salon book for women just to pick out your hairstyle. So they put long haired section for men in these books just to make fags like you happy.
First, dude.. I've got a fvcking goatee. ,.|.. ..|., Nobody's going to confuse me for a fvcking chick. For any AMOUNT feminity that long hair could potentially add in your fantasy land, facial hair negates it... After all, there ain't too many women sporting facial hair (we're still using your "scarcity" theory here, right?). In fact, if you take notice, a large portion of long haired guys sport a decent amount of facial hair. Why? Because they're GUYS, fvcking masculine guys. Not the clean shaven, short haired guys you'd see at a gay bar (go to one sometime, homophobe, take a look at the guys...). Second, I'm by no means ugly. I mean, that sort of sh1t is always up to interpratation... but I've been praised on my looks plenty of times before so I'm not too woried in that department.
When did I ever say that people will confuse you for a chick? I agree that everyone will know you are a guy. What I am saying is that people will never confuse you as a masculine guy, or rather, they’ll see you as a feminine guy, this is because your hair is long (and unlikely to be dreaded, so hairstyle is a negligible consideration, only length needs be considered). So what if you have goatee, it might be masculine, you might wear masculine clothes, but your fvcking hair is feminine. Everytime a chick looks at your hair, shes going to forget about your goatee and think about how grossly feminine your hair is. I mean saying your goatee cancels out your hair is like some chick wearing mens clothes and sporting a shaved head thinking her lipstick and makeup will negate it. Yeah, the make up will be feminine, but we guys will forget about hat when we see her shaved head. Its almost common sense that feminine traits are a turn off to women. Women sporting masculine traits are a turn off to men. Apparently, when it comes to the opposite sex, you can cancel them out by having more masculine traits than feminine ones. Basically, you have no room for feminine triats, unless you wanna risk turning her off. GET IT?
 

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I empirically see that girls approach me a lot more and respond a lot better to my approaches when my hair is long (and I've been wearing it short/medium/long, several times each style). Unless I'm the only one in the world that experienced this, it means that long hair is not a problem if it suits you better than short hair. Period.
 

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To me long hair is not feminine(unless you look like a girl), if your facial features are masculine then it would look alphamale and cool. Im even thinking of growing out my hair. But yes some, if not most women prefer the traditional short haired look.
 

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While short hair may look better on skinny, feminine, pale looking guys this doesn't count for the vast majority of people.

I met a girl that was a hairstylist and she recommended me a style that I could grow my hair into that would look great with my face (She was also a photoshop wiz and showed me what it could look like). I did and two years later I have about shoulder length hair and in no way do women mistake me as a girl, even from behind. First of all I dress like a guy. I know there are unisex clothing but I am always dressed in obviously mens clothing. Second I am 190lbs with a swimmers body(AKA wide shoulders that make that V). This means that when I wear clothing I look bigger than I am. Yep there aren't too many women that are slim yet seem to weigh over 200lbs.

Women love my hair. They play with it. More are willing to get rough in bed because of it. Apart from the crap like what kind of shampoo and stuff I put in it to get it like that it's been one of the greatest decisions of my life.

I also have a friend that looks rediculous with even longer scaggly hair (Other than that he's not an ugly guy), and he has no trouble with women. I'm actually kind of envious of the caliber of women he gets just becasue he has an amazing personality. I'm sure he would be unstoppable with shorter, or even better cut longer hair but point is that it's not really the hair that helps or hinders him. Just like the answer to anything else on this site it's his attitude and his personality that matters.
 

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Yeh in agreement here, long hair looks more masculine/alpha on the right person. However, too long, as in if it needs to be in a pony tail, looks nerdy and afc. Metal heads are annoying also. Semi long hair can give you that desirable beach/surfer look.
Shaved head can look good on the right person but more often than not it looks repulsive(except on black people of which we dont have many in australia) and it looks like the guy is trying to be 'hard'.
Normal short hair looks like a nothing, blends with the crowd. Hence long hair ftw.
 
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