Life is harder for short guys

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I once hanged in the same environment with a short dude. He must have been 5'3''. Height aside, he was build like a Greek god (almost) and was really easygoing.

However, many started to call him "Hercules". Why the ridicule? Was it because he was short? No way! The initial reactions were not like this.

He had the "ability" to make a fool of himself at an almost constant rate and people caught up on this.
Did he react to that first ridicule with a straight face and a clear sign that he considers it a disrespect? No! He smiled like an idiot.
Did he ever stay up for himself? No!


Then there was this second dude, just a little bit taller than the first one, but still small. He was conscious about it, but never put himself in a bad light or considered himself of lower status because of this. He was confident and had self respect.
This lead to people to KEEP ON respecting him.


What I'm saying is that you must give a bad vibe* if people pick up on you and your height.

*a vibe of insecurity, maybe
Do you feel totally secure about your yourself? Do you think you deserve the very best?
This is a winner mentality!
 

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Maybe short guys just have to work harder. Wasn't Teddy Roosevelt really short? Yet he is now held in the upper pantheon of Masculinity. Trust me, you'll never find a better manly role model than Teddy Roosevelt, you should read up on him.

As many have said, it's all in your head.
 

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I think I get what you are saying man. but what can we really say to that? Thats how people are. most people in the world are really insecure and need to put others down to make themselves feel better(cheaper the hit the better). Its just how it is. Some people don't have the strength to live their life without putting others down.

If you are looking for an answer there isn't one. Its just how most humans are. Yea it sucks but we can't do anything about it even if it doesnt bother us. I know it doesn't bother you what other people think. What you are complaining about is how humans are these days, the bigger picture....not just you.

if you just made this thread to vent, i feel you man
 

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I had a guy hating on me once, then he started bragging how he could pull any girl in the club. I said "how can I be a big time player player like you?" He responded with get taller! ouch! lol. I just smiled and said, that's not gonna happen, guess I'll just have to depend on these good looks of mine! The girl I was with thought it was funny. He did not. I'm 5'8, this guy was 6'3. My girl was hotter than his fat girlfriend lol. Jealousy is a *****.

i have a buddy who is 5'4 hes one of the nicest, honest, most hardworking guys I know. He treats everyone with respect and everyone respects him...even to the point where people have made short comments about him and other people have put that person in check about it. He's a great guy and everyone knows it. Be a great guy.
 

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Warrior74 said:
I had a guy hating on me once, then he started bragging how he could pull any girl in the club. I said "how can I be a big time player player like you?" He responded with get taller! ouch! lol. I just smiled and said, that's not gonna happen, guess I'll just have to depend on these good looks of mine! The girl I was with thought it was funny. He did not. I'm 5'8, this guy was 6'3. My girl was hotter than his fat girlfriend lol. Jealousy is a *****.

i have a buddy who is 5'4 hes one of the nicest, honest, most hardworking guys I know. He treats everyone with respect and everyone respects him...even to the point where people have made short comments about him and other people have put that person in check about it. He's a great guy and everyone knows it. Be a great guy.

I try to be a great guy but i just always get this feeling like people dont want me to be a nice guy. I feel like they have their opinion of me made up already and anytime im nice they just see it as me being a pvssy or something. i go into alot of situations with pretty decent confidence relaxed and positive. then little by little theres always a guy or 2 that make me feel like i dont belong and i think it poisons the others who were cool with me at one time. I dont know why it is, but its eems guys like this dont see me as me even being capable of being a great guy. some guy was being a d*ck once at work so i answered back in a d*ckish way back to him and he says "alright tough guy!" and he got some laughs. Other times i try to joke back with soem zingers and i dont get the same reaction. Guys joke around and isjnult each other its male cammaraderie i get that and i enjoy it, but it always crosses a line and becomes dsirespect when its turned on me. I feel like people dont hold back anything on me, while t ejokes on other guys r lighthearted and about small things. with me its like they enjoy seeing me suffer. i dont get it andhave been trying to get it since im in high schoo. i read watyver i can on human interactions and the only conclusionive come up with is that its human nature not to respect a short young looking guy who respects himself. Danny devito is a clowna nd makes an a** out of himself in interviews. I guess i gotta be like that cuz thats the only steryotype of a short guy people acceopt.
 

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I'm 5'8", maybe 5'9" with shoes. Or somewhere in between that. I don't consider myself "short" per se, I think I'm more like low-average.

Nobody can deny that height is a very important thing in attraction of women. And it sucks because it's one of those things you can do zilch about. At a certain lowness of height, you will pretty much get zero attention from women. If you are 5 feet tall and a guy, I don't care how much game you have or how funny you are, the likelihood of getting attention from women will be dire, and that's the reality.

At 5'6" though, it's going to be difficult, but not impossible. Many girls are still shorter than 5'6" so your best chances will be with the girls that are shorter than you. One thing short guys can do is bulk up. One of my martial arts instructors is short, but he's pretty big as far as bulk so it tricks your mind into thinking he's bigger than he is. Make sure you work your upper body and get that V-shape because that signals masculinity to the sexual part of a woman's brain. I think a woman will find a shorter guy that is V-shaped and jacked to be more masculine than a tall guy with a body like a string bean. So work on bulking up. Plus it has the added effect of making your peers respect you more. Guys with muscle mass, be they tall or short don't get messed with or poked fun at. So even though you can't control your height, you can still control your physique. Work on what you can control. Take up a martial art too, like MMA. It'll build confidence and get you in good shape, and you'll know that if someone does poke fun at your height, you've got more to back yourself up with than words.

Good luck.
 

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speakeasy said:
I'm 5'8", maybe 5'9" with shoes. Or somewhere in between that. I don't consider myself "short" per se, I think I'm more like low-average.

Nobody can deny that height is a very important thing in attraction of women. And it sucks because it's one of those things you can do zilch about. At a certain lowness of height, you will pretty much get zero attention from women. If you are 5 feet tall and a guy, I don't care how much game you have or how funny you are, the likelihood of getting attention from women will be dire, and that's the reality.

At 5'6" though, it's going to be difficult, but not impossible. Many girls are still shorter than 5'6" so your best chances will be with the girls that are shorter than you. One thing short guys can do is bulk up. One of my martial arts instructors is short, but he's pretty big as far as bulk so it tricks your mind into thinking he's bigger than he is. Make sure you work your upper body and get that V-shape because that signals masculinity to the sexual part of a woman's brain. I think a woman will find a shorter guy that is V-shaped and jacked to be more masculine than a tall guy with a body like a string bean. So work on bulking up. Plus it has the added effect of making your peers respect you more. Guys with muscle mass, be they tall or short don't get messed with or poked fun at. So even though you can't control your height, you can still control your physique. Work on what you can control. Take up a martial art too, like MMA. It'll build confidence and get you in good shape, and you'll know that if someone does poke fun at your height, you've got more to back yourself up with than words.

Good luck.
Yea i was getting big at one time and lost it all cuz of a busy period at work. I stopped workign out completely. I just want respect, im in an ltr so girls arent the issue. I feel like every once in a while theres an a-hole tall guy that wants me to know that he thinks hes better than me and tried to let me know that in any way he can. Almost as if my shortness annoys him. I cant figure it out im a pretty nice guy and im not obnoxious and loud, i consider myself a pretty down to earth humble guy.
 

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There will always be haters in any walk of life. I guess anyone with more noticeable attributes will be targets. My friend was wearing a hat in a club, and by the end of the night, he had kids who wanted to kick his ass for it. Haters are everywhere, and target anyone...not just shorter guys

My cousin is on the short side, and I see him having to deal with more than someone of average height. It doesn't help the rest of our family is closer to 5'10", so he feels that much more left out. Genetics are a *****.
 

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I used to think I was short and it effected my life.

Then I realized this was a LIMITING BELIEF, holding me back from my full potential.

THIS BS DOES NOT EVEN ENTER MY REALITY NOW. You are as tall as you think you are.
 

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DJinTraining06 said:
When ur assertive u have a napoleanic complex, and when ur passiver ur a pvssy.
Sounds like you're getting assertive and defensive mixed up. Assertive is standing your ground and putting people in their place when necessary. Defensive is always feeling like you have to prove something.

And the Napoleon complex gets a bad rap anyway. Napoleon the man was a brilliant war strategist and a very feared individual. It's easy to laugh at him now that he's dead, but nobody was doing that when he was alive.
 

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I feel the same. I'm 5'9'' and that's considered short where I live. Feel like people don't want to laugh at your jokes, even though I was funny, people don't want me to be succesful and that whatever I do, wether laughing it off or stand up for myself, it doesn't matter, I'm not getting respect either way.

So, that leaves one of the major questions in this topic unanswered: how to react? Laugh it of and ignore it, or stand up for yourself?

I must say it's like elementary school and high school all over again. The only thing that worked in elementary and high school was beating the living hell out of those guys who dared to oppose me. But now I'm older, chances are that people will see you as some kind of psycho caveman, probably because they don't know how it is to be disrespected.

Plus, I read that a lot of people say: don't focus on it, just be a great guy. Well, all of you, consider this: you are a great guy, it's the happiest day of your life, all goes well, but yet, some guy or girl just really feels the need to bother you and disrespect you. You think, well, I'm a great guy, what gives, sticks and stones, and continue living your great live. Until next day that is, because then another guy or girl shows up with the need to put you down. How would you feel if the problem comes back to haunt you? You can think of yourself as awesome all you want, but as long as other people don't perceive you as such, you will be haunted, you will be disrespected till you die. So the question still remains: what are you going to do about it?

No f*ck 'm all I'm great mentality can save you from continuous bashing.
 

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J. Darko said:
I feel the same. I'm 5'9'' and that's considered short where I live. Feel like people don't want to laugh at your jokes, even though I was funny, people don't want me to be succesful and that whatever I do, wether laughing it off or stand up for myself, it doesn't matter, I'm not getting respect either way.

So, that leaves one of the major questions in this topic unanswered: how to react? Laugh it of and ignore it, or stand up for yourself?

I must say it's like elementary school and high school all over again. The only thing that worked in elementary and high school was beating the living hell out of those guys who dared to oppose me. But now I'm older, chances are that people will see you as some kind of psycho caveman, probably because they don't know how it is to be disrespected.

Plus, I read that a lot of people say: don't focus on it, just be a great guy. Well, all of you, consider this: you are a great guy, it's the happiest day of your life, all goes well, but yet, some guy or girl just really feels the need to bother you and disrespect you. You think, well, I'm a great guy, what gives, sticks and stones, and continue living your great live. Until next day that is, because then another guy or girl shows up with the need to put you down. How would you feel if the problem comes back to haunt you? You can think of yourself as awesome all you want, but as long as other people don't perceive you as such, you will be haunted, you will be disrespected till you die. So the question still remains: what are you going to do about it?

No f*ck 'm all I'm great mentality can save you from continuous bashing.
Dude I couldn't have said it better myself. I feel exactly the same way. No matter how much i like myself someone always puts a damper on my mood. And ok yea u shoudlnt let anyone change ur mood, but thats hard to do when its a perpetual thing over and over and over. How can u be happy and a great guy when u cant live with yourself for letting people disrespect u.

Whats the alternative beating them up and then people think ur a nutjob. What i wouldn't give to be 5'9'' try being 5'6''. I recently had an idiot at work trying to belittle me in front of coworkers every day. When it was me and him he was totally cool, soon as others were around its like he had to pick a target to prove his status and picked the easiest target, the short guy. and like u said u cant fight back like in school cuz its different when ur an adult. When ur an adult u will get arrested or fired from ur job, prob both. People will def think ur a psycho cuz they dont understand the dilemma ur facing. if u do nothing they think ur a wuss so its really a lose lose. being the short guy u will never get people that dont respect u cuz of height to laugh at ur jokes. So if u try to say soemthing witty to beat the guy it doesnt work unless ur gifted with a really sharp wit. There are plenty of people who dont care about height and will respect u for who u are and i know plenty, but all it takes is 1 guy once in a while who picks the eaisest target. Short guys make certain people laugh. Just our prescence amuses them. Anythign we do to better ourselves is a source of amusment to them for some reason. Its like look at this little guy, who the hell is he. All my life i always wanted that feeling of just being one of the guys, just a dude and amongst many I am and i have my close friends. But amongs a small minority i am not just a dude, im the little short squatty guy. It happens in every setting im ever in, theres always 1 or 2 guys in a group who think short guys dont belong and will go out of their way to make u feel like crap

By the way where the hell do u live that people disrespect u at 5'9''? Thats not that short i almost find it hard to believe.
 

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DJinTraining06 said:
Dude I couldn't have said it better myself. I feel exactly the same way. No matter how much i like myself someone always puts a damper on my mood. And ok yea u shoudlnt let anyone change ur mood, but thats hard to do when its a perpetual thing over and over and over. How can u be happy and a great guy when u cant live with yourself for letting people disrespect u.

Whats the alternative beating them up and then people think ur a nutjob. What i wouldn't give to be 5'9'' try being 5'6''. I recently had an idiot at work trying to belittle me in front of coworkers every day. When it was me and him he was totally cool, soon as others were around its like he had to pick a target to prove his status and picked the easiest target, the short guy. and like u said u cant fight back like in school cuz its different when ur an adult. When ur an adult u will get arrested or fired from ur job, prob both. People will def think ur a psycho cuz they dont understand the dilemma ur facing. if u do nothing they think ur a wuss so its really a lose lose. being the short guy u will never get people that dont respect u cuz of height to laugh at ur jokes. So if u try to say soemthing witty to beat the guy it doesnt work unless ur gifted with a really sharp wit. There are plenty of people who dont care about height and will respect u for who u are and i know plenty, but all it takes is 1 guy once in a while who picks the eaisest target. Short guys make certain people laugh. Just our prescence amuses them. Anythign we do to better ourselves is a source of amusment to them for some reason. Its like look at this little guy, who the hell is he. All my life i always wanted that feeling of just being one of the guys, just a dude and amongst many I am and i have my close friends. But amongs a small minority i am not just a dude, im the little short squatty guy. It happens in every setting im ever in, theres always 1 or 2 guys in a group who think short guys dont belong and will go out of their way to make u feel like crap

By the way where the hell do u live that people disrespect u at 5'9''? Thats not that short i almost find it hard to believe.
Yes, we're both in the same boat. :mad:

I live in Holland, where the avarage guy is about 6'1'' and many girls like tall guys. Even worse, the most beautiful girls are around 6'0''. It's not a matter of game either. I've been rejected more then once because the woman in question literally looks down at me as a little guy. But, to keep things positive, I still like to think of myself as the ruler of the world. Maybe we should live in Japan. We're giants there.
 

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J. Darko said:
Yes, we're both in the same boat. :mad:

I live in Holland, where the avarage guy is about 6'1'' and many girls like tall guys. Even worse, the most beautiful girls are around 6'0''. It's not a matter of game either. I've been rejected more then once because the woman in question literally looks down at me as a little guy. But, to keep things positive, I still like to think of myself as the ruler of the world. Maybe we should live in Japan. We're giants there.
Oh man, I would love to try and wheel some hot women in Holland; I love taller women and am close to 6' , but it would still require some more work since I too have found trying to hit on taller women has difficult. Height is one of the very few instant deal breakers I have found in my time out in the field.

Congrats Holland, you are now on my euro backpacking list sometime in 2010/2011! :D
 

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Great post, bible_belt.

I like the comment about being respectful and respected by your peers, to the point where people will take the initiative and stand up for you when you get insulted. I know of people like that, and I've personally stood up for many great people with unfortunate handicaps. As has been noted, those with bark don't bite. Look at guys like Jens Pulver, Manny Pacquiao, Israel Vasquez/Rafael Marquez (the two must always be mentioned together), and others. These guys are short, some about 5'4, competing as low as 118lbs! Despite being world-class fighters, they are very humble and likable people, and there are cavalries of people who would support them if they were ever insulted about their size.

My point is there's no need to compensate for your size, even the toughest guys in the world don't do it. I'm surprised noone at the bar told that azhole to shut up, that was a terrible thing to say. In high school I can see that happening, but I don't see that often among mature people. A quick retort could have been "Ya well that midget can outdrink you", said with a smile and a stare. The point is to show that you're not offended, but you're also confident enough to engage, and not afraid of the consequences.

If you have good nerves and can articulate, you can throw his prejudice back at him, in a way that makes him look ignorant, and makes sure he can't attack you, lest he is the bad guy in the situation. Like "A short joke eh? how creative...

1) and if I called you (cracker, scrawny, metro, homo, monkey, etc.) I bet that would be really funny, right?" (Said without a smile, with disgust at his comment. You'll earn the support of every person whose been called a cracker, scrawny, metro, homo, or monkey. I've used this before when people made fun of my name, BUT, you have to make sure you don't sound like you're insulting that group. Last thing you want is a bar full of black guys turned against you - turn those black guys against him!)
2) Whatever makes you feel like a big man. Maybe you should get a bigger car or something?" (You say this with a smirk, but don't look directly at him! it looks like you don't even respect him enough to look him in the eye, and you just shrug it off, and continue your conversation. One of the forgotten traits about dominant males is they often DON'T look you in the eye, because they consider you beneath them.)

Our physical appearance is unfortunately among the defining features of our likely status attainment. When you're on the losing end of the lottery, it sucks, real bad. Just remember that confident and accomplished people are typically friendly and accepting, so you can show yourself to be that by not getting offended or losing your nerve, rather looking mature and secure.

If you're in a 1-on-1 situation, it's different, there are no witnesses, you might just have to take the risk and step to him. Like that co-worker, maybe you couldve said "ya and how about I dunk your head in the urinal?" with a mock laugh like "Ha ha ha". You run the risk of being attacked, but most of the time, they'll just back off and make a nervous joke. And if you are attacked, most likely you will get the sympathetic response when it comes to light.

Another tactic that works is being very explicit about what just happened. Don't ignore the topic - rather emphasize the fact that you were insulted. Like "what's your problem man? im just taking a piss and minding my own business, did someone sh!t in your breakfast or something?" Most of the time they'll backtrack or change the topic and not mention it again, people don't like to think of themselves as rude or mean people, and if you make it very clear that you were insulted and did them no harm, they won't do it again. Just don't come across as a whiner, more like a mature person who is standing up for themselves, without losing their nerve. You might also remind them of a time that they were made fun of, and they will avoid doing it again out of guilt.

The point is, people do not like to be put on the spot. If someone puts you on the spot, don't ever try to downplay it, instead show you're comfortable being stared at, and put THEM in the spotlight. Most people can't overcome their insecurities when being the centre of the attention, so give them an audience and they will become nervous and try to get out of it. At the very least, ACT as if you are comfortable with an audience, just long enough to make the audience turn to him. The key is to always throw the ball back at him, because most of the time, they'll fumble it.

I have quite a bit of experience with this stuff unfortunately. I find that ignoring it is the worst thing to do. People I was with often didn't care or see me any differently, they just shrugged it off and continued like normal. The problem was that I felt so embarrassed, I had to leave them, I felt too inferior to be hanging around them. Most people are too caught up in their own world to care much about what's going on outside of it, they will laugh, or feel awkward or whatever, just for a few seconds, then continue rolling in their own filth.
 

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6-heads lewis said:
Great post, bible_belt.

I like the comment about being respectful and respected by your peers, to the point where people will take the initiative and stand up for you when you get insulted. I know of people like that, and I've personally stood up for many great people with unfortunate handicaps. As has been noted, those with bark don't bite. Look at guys like Jens Pulver, Manny Pacquiao, Israel Vasquez/Rafael Marquez (the two must always be mentioned together), and others. These guys are short, some about 5'4, competing as low as 118lbs! Despite being world-class fighters, they are very humble and likable people, and there are cavalries of people who would support them if they were ever insulted about their size.

My point is there's no need to compensate for your size, even the toughest guys in the world don't do it. I'm surprised noone at the bar told that azhole to shut up, that was a terrible thing to say. In high school I can see that happening, but I don't see that often among mature people. A quick retort could have been "Ya well that midget can outdrink you", said with a smile and a stare. The point is to show that you're not offended, but you're also confident enough to engage, and not afraid of the consequences.

If you have good nerves and can articulate, you can throw his prejudice back at him, in a way that makes him look ignorant, and makes sure he can't attack you, lest he is the bad guy in the situation. Like "A short joke eh? how creative...

1) and if I called you (cracker, scrawny, metro, homo, monkey, etc.) I bet that would be really funny, right?" (Said without a smile, with disgust at his comment. You'll earn the support of every person whose been called a cracker, scrawny, metro, homo, or monkey. I've used this before when people made fun of my name, BUT, you have to make sure you don't sound like you're insulting that group. Last thing you want is a bar full of black guys turned against you - turn those black guys against him!)
2) Whatever makes you feel like a big man. Maybe you should get a bigger car or something?" (You say this with a smirk, but don't look directly at him! it looks like you don't even respect him enough to look him in the eye, and you just shrug it off, and continue your conversation. One of the forgotten traits about dominant males is they often DON'T look you in the eye, because they consider you beneath them.)

Our physical appearance is unfortunately among the defining features of our likely status attainment. When you're on the losing end of the lottery, it sucks, real bad. Just remember that confident and accomplished people are typically friendly and accepting, so you can show yourself to be that by not getting offended or losing your nerve, rather looking mature and secure.

If you're in a 1-on-1 situation, it's different, there are no witnesses, you might just have to take the risk and step to him. Like that co-worker, maybe you couldve said "ya and how about I dunk your head in the urinal?" with a mock laugh like "Ha ha ha". You run the risk of being attacked, but most of the time, they'll just back off and make a nervous joke. And if you are attacked, most likely you will get the sympathetic response when it comes to light.

Another tactic that works is being very explicit about what just happened. Don't ignore the topic - rather emphasize the fact that you were insulted. Like "what's your problem man? im just taking a piss and minding my own business, did someone sh!t in your breakfast or something?" Most of the time they'll backtrack or change the topic and not mention it again, people don't like to think of themselves as rude or mean people, and if you make it very clear that you were insulted and did them no harm, they won't do it again. Just don't come across as a whiner, more like a mature person who is standing up for themselves, without losing their nerve. You might also remind them of a time that they were made fun of, and they will avoid doing it again out of guilt.

The point is, people do not like to be put on the spot. If someone puts you on the spot, don't ever try to downplay it, instead show you're comfortable being stared at, and put THEM in the spotlight. Most people can't overcome their insecurities when being the centre of the attention, so give them an audience and they will become nervous and try to get out of it. At the very least, ACT as if you are comfortable with an audience, just long enough to make the audience turn to him. The key is to always throw the ball back at him, because most of the time, they'll fumble it.

I have quite a bit of experience with this stuff unfortunately. I find that ignoring it is the worst thing to do. People I was with often didn't care or see me any differently, they just shrugged it off and continued like normal. The problem was that I felt so embarrassed, I had to leave them, I felt too inferior to be hanging around them. Most people are too caught up in their own world to care much about what's going on outside of it, they will laugh, or feel awkward or whatever, just for a few seconds, then continue rolling in their own filth.

Well ur right about that, laughing it off and ingoring it doesnt do a single thing. The guy i work with just keeps doing it when i ignore it or laugh it off. The reason i started lauighin it off was cuz the first couple times whenever i tried to throw it back at him, he would start laughing hysterically and turn to someone else and say "he gets so defensive" and then 2 or 3 people would think its so funny. Meanwhile it wasnt like i was going nuts, i just stood up for myself a lil bit and tried to throw it back to him. I tried to be witty and not lose my cool, yet its like he wasnt gonna igve me a chance to be one of the guys that could joke around with each other. I did not understand it, what to him would be the right reaction for me? Anger makes him laugh hysterically, trying to joke back at him makes him laugh hysterically, laughign it off and ignroing it makes him just keep doin it. Hes 6'4'' and prob was never made fun of for anything in his life, its like he seriously just thinks this is a normal way to act and i should just accept it. No matter what i do nobody was on my side in this group and i dont know why. im short and i look really young, its really like its beyond my control soemtimes, i have no clue what im supposed to do. if i fight this guy i lose my job and if i try to stand up for myself he laughs hysterically and gets everyone else too. Hes about the biggest piece of sh*t i ever met in my life.
 

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Sounds like you're getting assertive and defensive mixed up. Assertive is standing your ground and putting people in their place when necessary. Defensive is always feeling like you have to prove something.

And the Napoleon complex gets a bad rap anyway. Napoleon the man was a brilliant war strategist and a very feared individual. It's easy to laugh at him now that he's dead, but nobody was doing that when he was alive.

Define putting people in their place. I can't fight this guy i will lose my job and its disproportiante to what hes doing to me, so people will also think im a psycho and say i cant take a joke. When i try to throw it back to him with jokes about him nobody laughs and they just laugh at me cuz they think im getting riled up. When i ignore it he keeps doin it. Nobody in this crowd at work respects me enough not to laugh at his jokes. They arent even funny jokes, theyre simple idiotic jokes. When i make jokes like that nobody laughs i hear silence. These r all guys i was cool with before this one douhchebag started messing with me. Now its like they have not a single ounce of respect for me. now its not as if they dotn reespect me cuz im not sicking up for myselfbecause anytime i try to stick up for myself they think its hialrious that im riled up or defensive (their words). The only other option when nobody is on ur side and cant use words is to fight a guy and why shoul di lose my job which is a great high paying job for this piece of sh*t?
 

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I see nothing special in being tall. ALL of my friends are short, the guys who get absolutley the most attention of my group are the shortest of them all. One of them is like an alpha male, preety much all the girls like him. He just gets messages from girls saying stuff like: "I'm gonna be honest with you, you attract me", and some girls that really like him are very cute and taller then him.

Another guy from my group is SUPEr fat, the fattest guy i've ever seen, and kinda short too, just that he's hilarious (Always making fun of himself, gets teased A LOT) but even he gets lots of attention from all the girls.

I'm really tall but most of the times the girls don't even look at me twice... Thinking again, they NEVER look at me like in a sexual way... I just don't fit in for some reason... Like, I don't socialize with people that much, I'm very very quiet unless I'm talking to a person alone... Then it's different... But point is, well maybe now i get some more attention, but there was a time I was really skinny and people just teased me like hell and every ******* got more attention then I was and was much more "alpha" then me, and I've always been the tallest.

Another thing I was always kind of stiff and insecure (weird body languege) and I actually would prefer a lot to be short sometimes, short people just seem totally natural to me. Like being short must be a peice of cake, it must be no problem at all, you can look at people in the eye... There's something about short girls that doesn't click for me, it would be kind of wierd I guess... Doesn't feel right to be next to a much taller girl sometimes. And short people should feel more comfortable in their own skin then taller people (At least I would). And ALL the guys who are much shorter then me get 100X more attention, plus I'm also good looking (altough skinny!) and have a good personality. :cool: You just got to be alpha!

there's also a study saying that women don't have a biological preference on tall men... read that.

I wouldn't mind being short, I think I would really enjoy it to be honest... Maybe if I fixed my posture a little bit... Also people always seem to want you to be alpha because you're tall, if some little guy is insulting you and you don't know how to respond you're a total joke, like it would be really really bad. Much worse if he was your own height.

Being tall is not speical at all to me, its like meh, i don't get it why you make this so special, it's totally irrelevant. I wish I would be like "Damn it I'm cool I'm tall" but the truth is, it doesn't matter...

Maybe it matters for tall girls only... But if I wre a short guy i'd really like to dominate a tall girl, oh yeah, it would be even cooler or not? But I guess a tall girl would like to date a taller guy, but that is, it still doesn't matter **** if you got game, i mean it, it matters litterally NOTHING, NOTHING.
 

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Groovy said:
I see nothing special in being tall. ALL of my friends are short, the guys who get absolutley the most attention of my group are the shortest of them all. One of them is like an alpha male, preety much all the girls like him. He just gets messages from girls saying stuff like: "I'm gonna be honest with you, you attract me", and some girls that really like him are very cute and taller then him.

Another guy from my group is SUPEr fat, the fattest guy i've ever seen, and kinda short too, just that he's hilarious (Always making fun of himself, gets teased A LOT) but even he gets lots of attention from all the girls.

I'm really tall but most of the times the girls don't even look at me twice... Thinking again, they NEVER look at me like in a sexual way... I just don't fit in for some reason... Like, I don't socialize with people that much, I'm very very quiet unless I'm talking to a person alone... Then it's different... But point is, well maybe now i get some more attention, but there was a time I was really skinny and people just teased me like hell and every ******* got more attention then I was and was much more "alpha" then me, and I've always been the tallest.

Another thing I was always kind of stiff and insecure (weird body languege) and I actually would prefer a lot to be short sometimes, short people just seem totally natural to me. Like being short must be a peice of cake, it must be no problem at all, you can look at people in the eye... There's something about short girls that doesn't click for me, it would be kind of wierd I guess... Doesn't feel right to be next to a much taller girl sometimes. And short people should feel more comfortable in their own skin then taller people (At least I would). And ALL the guys who are much shorter then me get 100X more attention, plus I'm also good looking (altough skinny!) and have a good personality. :cool: You just got to be alpha!

there's also a study saying that women don't have a biological preference on tall men... read that.

I wouldn't mind being short, I think I would really enjoy it to be honest... Maybe if I fixed my posture a little bit... Also people always seem to want you to be alpha because you're tall, if some little guy is insulting you and you don't know how to respond you're a total joke, like it would be really really bad. Much worse if he was your own height.

Being tall is not speical at all to me, its like meh, i don't get it why you make this so special, it's totally irrelevant. I wish I would be like "Damn it I'm cool I'm tall" but the truth is, it doesn't matter...

Maybe it matters for tall girls only... But if I wre a short guy i'd really like to dominate a tall girl, oh yeah, it would be even cooler or not? But I guess a tall girl would like to date a taller guy, but that is, it still doesn't matter **** if you got game, i mean it, it matters litterally NOTHING, NOTHING.

Dude trust me u want to be 5'8'', 5'9'', or 510'' maybe even 5'7''. You do not want to be any shorter than that. I'm 5'6'', beleive me it sucks. Don't get me wrong my life aint horrible i got alot to be thankful for, but I get belittled alot in life by taller guys who simply think that short guys r ridiculous.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

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