Let's Talk Turkey! The Top PUA's/Redpill/MGTOW Guys Get Zero Results!

[allancc3]

I got caught up in the pua craze at one point and I still look back on those days with fondness. It was fun, no doubt about it. A decade ago, PUA was relevant and still a big deal. The pendulum has swung back hard in the opposite direction with mgtow and redpill, which supposedly offer insight on women's true nature, our true nature and purpose as men, yada yada yada.

What's striking however is what all three schools of thought have in common: NONE of the best known guys in any camp have success with hot women! Neil Strauss, Markowitz (Mystery), Owen Cook (RSD) for example, have had little success dating conventionally hot women. Neil dated a girl in a rock band, but she was well into her 30's I believe. Mystery was more successful, dating a string of drugged out anorexic strippers. Owen I think, had the least success of them all but appears to have made a living in PUA longer than the other two.

The redpill guys are smart enough not to show their faces and it goes without saying they have almost no success dating.

What's the point of redpill and mgtow anywayz? These guys clearly do not get laid and their results are considerably worse than even the pua guys, who to their credit, made it their mantra to always go out and approach whenever possible.

At this rate, manosphere will be advocating sex dolls and porn exclusively. If we are looking for role models, then we should STOP listening to all manosphere guys, yes?

 

[Alvafe]

your sanity

plus lets get real here, if i'm going out, I tend to not post in facebook i'm going out, I don't talk about it, I don't anounce it, and I sure as hell care if anyone think if I go out or not,

but sure, lets say every single time we date someone we make a sure effort to tell the world would that make you happy? because i'm pretty sure most woman wouldn't like and also it would hurt his reputation eventually

 

[Robert28]

I think being aware is more important than anything. Experience is the best teacher and I’ve failed with tons of women but I also learned from each experience and rarely make the same mistake again. Women have way more experience dating than the average guy so they can play the game better than your average guy.

 

[Billtx49]

If we are looking for role models, then we should STOP listening to all manosphere guys, yes?

To each his own, but if I couldn’t accumulate any knowledge or benefit from these sites and forums, I would feel free to leave them and never return, yes?…

 

[cola]

Thought it was general knowledge that all those pua guys are full of ****.. it’s the equivalent of the abs belt infomercials “put the on your abs at night for one hour and you’ll have abs in weeks!”

Except they say “do this, act like this and you’ll have 10 girlfriends!”

Well much like the abs you have to do some real work to get girls.
Get in the gym, focus on career and accumulate some wealth, dress nice always, always smell good.. then you’ll have your pick of the liter.

But no fat, sloppy, broke, poorly dressing guy can pull girls by anything pua salesmen (that’s what they are, salesman who are selling nothing) guys claim works..

Look at the RSD guy Owen, balding, short, 125 lbs, average dresser at best .. he wouldn’t have a chance in a club without cameras following him or if it got out he’s rich. Just as he is he wouldn’t even get second looks.

 

[Spaz]

I got caught up in the pua craze at one point and I still look back on those days with fondness. It was fun, no doubt about it. A decade ago, PUA was relevant and still a big deal. The pendulum has swung back hard in the opposite direction with mgtow and redpill, which supposedly offer insight on women's true nature, our true nature and purpose as men, yada yada yada.

What's striking however is what all three schools of thought have in common: NONE of the best known guys in any camp have success with hot women! Neil Strauss, Markowitz (Mystery), Owen Cook (RSD) for example, have had little success dating conventionally hot women. Neil dated a girl in a rock band, but she was well into her 30's I believe. Mystery was more successful, dating a string of drugged out anorexic strippers. Owen I think, had the least success of them all but appears to have made a living in PUA longer than the other two.

The redpill guys are smart enough not to show their faces and it goes without saying they have almost no success dating.

What's the point of redpill and mgtow anywayz? These guys clearly do not get laid and their results are considerably worse than even the pua guys, who to their credit, made it their mantra to always go out and approach whenever possible.

At this rate, manosphere will be advocating sex dolls and porn exclusively. If we are looking for role models, then we should STOP listening to all manosphere guys, yes?

Not sure where u r going with this.

But I sure the hell know a man's success or failure in life starts from 1 simple thing and it's called attitude.

No amount of PUA teaching or manosphere activity will yield him success with the wrong attitude.

While the right attitude might or at least he gets to win little small battles in that war and slowly build up with each success.

What is the right attitude OP?

 

[corrector]

I got caught up in the pua craze at one point and I still look back on those days with fondness. It was fun, no doubt about it. A decade ago, PUA was relevant and still a big deal.

I spent money on books like "How to Succeed with Women", and Seduce and Conquer, and bought the Game by Neil Strauss. While I didn't really go anywhere with it, perhaps that is my own connection with the Zeitgeist. This also included popular movies like "Hitch" 2005 with Will Smith teaching a fat slop to get a hot executive lady with game, and 40 Year Old Virgin with Steve Carell which was a good natured comedy of an inexperienced 40 year old guy experiencing success approaching women in various settings and being egged on by his friends.

It feels like this Zeitgeist changed along with my divorce in 2014. The reasons of the divorce would sound like a textbook MGTOW case. I would say it is about that year and afterwards things changed to MGTOW. It was my ex-wife that introduced me to the smartphone as well. Its clear that people blame smartphone tech for bringing everything down since women can access Chads/Chadlites on Tinder, or other smartphone dating apps and that you really can't approach like in the past.

I do feel in a weird way that I feel somewhat connected to these types of trends. However, if that's true, then the MGTOW would start fizzling out and start losing momentum and a new type of phase should be starting too because that's exactly how I'm feeling now. Maybe I do have something that's contagious and is affecting social trends around without me knowing it, lol!

 

[redskinsfan92]

I got caught up in the pua craze at one point and I still look back on those days with fondness. It was fun, no doubt about it. A decade ago, PUA was relevant and still a big deal. The pendulum has swung back hard in the opposite direction with mgtow and redpill, which supposedly offer insight on women's true nature, our true nature and purpose as men, yada yada yada.

What's striking however is what all three schools of thought have in common: NONE of the best known guys in any camp have success with hot women! Neil Strauss, Markowitz (Mystery), Owen Cook (RSD) for example, have had little success dating conventionally hot women. Neil dated a girl in a rock band, but she was well into her 30's I believe. Mystery was more successful, dating a string of drugged out anorexic strippers. Owen I think, had the least success of them all but appears to have made a living in PUA longer than the other two.

The redpill guys are smart enough not to show their faces and it goes without saying they have almost no success dating.

What's the point of redpill and mgtow anywayz? These guys clearly do not get laid and their results are considerably worse than even the pua guys, who to their credit, made it their mantra to always go out and approach whenever possible.

At this rate, manosphere will be advocating sex dolls and porn exclusively. If we are looking for role models, then we should STOP listening to all manosphere guys, yes?

Andrew Tate surrounds himself with 10s. Doesn't really fall into any of these categories though. Interacts a lot with the big redpill names though.

The puas getting the hottest women probably didnt concern themselves with making it known like Mystery or Style.

 

[Serenity]

A decade ago, PUA was relevant and still a big deal. The pendulum has swung back hard in the opposite direction with mgtow and redpill

Makes me wonder, did PUA actually work a decade ago? Are the guys who now make up MGTOW and redpill the same guys who threw themselves over the whole PUA phenomenon 10 years ago? Are they now MGTOW or redpill because they actually got the girls, but got burnt hard because they never learned to also be cautious in their pursuits?

 

[YourGreatestFear]

I got caught up in the pua craze at one point and I still look back on those days with fondness. It was fun, no doubt about it. A decade ago, PUA was relevant and still a big deal. The pendulum has swung back hard in the opposite direction with mgtow and redpill, which supposedly offer insight on women's true nature, our true nature and purpose as men, yada yada yada.

What's striking however is what all three schools of thought have in common: NONE of the best known guys in any camp have success with hot women! Neil Strauss, Markowitz (Mystery), Owen Cook (RSD) for example, have had little success dating conventionally hot women. Neil dated a girl in a rock band, but she was well into her 30's I believe. Mystery was more successful, dating a string of drugged out anorexic strippers. Owen I think, had the least success of them all but appears to have made a living in PUA longer than the other two.

The redpill guys are smart enough not to show their faces and it goes without saying they have almost no success dating.

What's the point of redpill and mgtow anywayz? These guys clearly do not get laid and their results are considerably worse than even the pua guys, who to their credit, made it their mantra to always go out and approach whenever possible.

At this rate, manosphere will be advocating sex dolls and porn exclusively. If we are looking for role models, then we should STOP listening to all manosphere guys, yes?

Lol bro, check out RSD Luke Instagram to see countless photos with hot girls, including some nudes. Do you know what guys like Todd have full infields of meeting a female stranger and then leading her to their place after creating enough attraction?

Still, do you think what all guys should let everyone know about girls they fck? Or you think what guys should date all and any girls after sex with them? Even on this forum there are many guys who slept with 100+ women, including hot ones. You can't differentiate between dating and just having casual sex? Those are different skills.

Also among RedPill guys there is goodlookingloser with a lot of videos as well, though IDK if he have some photos with girls, I don't care. Just by reading forums and reddit subs you could find countless stories how guys changed their lives thanks to pickup or RP. The thing is - people just share their experience and don't try to prove anything to anyone by including porn videos of themselves, lol.

Makes me wonder, did PUA actually work a decade ago? Are the guys who now make up MGTOW and redpill the same guys who threw themselves over the whole PUA phenomenon 10 years ago? Are they now MGTOW or redpill because they actually got the girls, but got burnt hard because they never learned to also be cautious in their pursuits?

RedPill have nothing to do with hating or avoiding women. Just you start to understand true face of most women after you slept with a lot of them. When you are attractive and sleep with girls casually then you will find out what a lot of them have bf or husband, some wouldn't even tell you before the sex.. Does it counts as being burnt or something? After sleeping with many women who have bf or husband and who don't feel much guilt about cheating you can't treat women the same way anymore, after all from surface those women could be seen as perfect gf or kind and caring wife.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Red pill is a general term for waking up from false paradigms and the plastic society and culture we live in. For me it didn't just cover women, I don't trust neither of them.... If the next chick I get with is a "10" you think none of my buddies would want to smash or smash her on the side if the chance presented itself? I'm always in control of the things I am control in that's my mindset.

 

[Newbee2]

Redpill can help you pass sh!t test's.. take out the trash. Stop putting women on a pedestal. You see more clearly her intensions. You don't end up in freind zone like beta orbitors.

Depending on your personality; introvert vs. Extrovert.. PUA or zero f given mindset can opt your game too.

I don't see females with rose colored glasses anymore, I'm not afraid to say my opinion, I stand my ground. Being a introvert myself, this show confidens, and a no nonsens approach.. The zero f given mindset seems to interrest women because they are use to men showing interrest. I don't care attitute seems to baffle them.. and reading their body laungauge and querks will show you who is interrested..

Remember females walk into a full bar and only see a few men, the rest don't exist in her world..

If you interact with other females like freinds and don't give her attention, her interrest goes up.. and many times they make a cheers or try and start a conversation. The thing is she is competing with other females, and it her idea to try and make contact. Her attraction goes up

I don't know a better way to explain this in a foreing laungauge.

That's my experince

 

[fanatic22]

How do you know they fail with women? Do you put up every chick you sleep with on instagram?

 

[redskinsfan92]

I thought everyone knew the loudest redpill guys are the new guys. Guys like me. We are working on ourselves, but you don't see tgat. The guys who talk about karate all the time are white belts. The Christians who go knocking on doors enthusiastically talking about Jesus are the new converts. Are they good examples of Christians yet? No.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I got caught up in the pua craze at one point and I still look back on those days with fondness. It was fun, no doubt about it. A decade ago, PUA was relevant and still a big deal. The pendulum has swung back hard in the opposite direction with mgtow and redpill, which supposedly offer insight on women's true nature, our true nature and purpose as men, yada yada yada.

Thats called playing follow the leader.

There's a Kruaser collaboration with Rollo recently. Both are critical of the mainstream pickup guys but gave credit where credit is due. Personally, I prefer pickup over anything else but I enjoy the competition and sport.

What's striking however is what all three schools of thought have in common: NONE of the best known guys in any camp have success with hot women! Neil Strauss, Markowitz (Mystery), Owen Cook (RSD) for example, have had little success dating conventionally hot women. Neil dated a girl in a rock band, but she was well into her 30's I believe. Mystery was more successful, dating a string of drugged out anorexic strippers. Owen I think, had the least success of them all but appears to have made a living in PUA longer than the other two.

The metric by which you measured is broken. Post pics of SNL, fwbs, and ltrs.

Mystery is the godfather of pickup but clearly a flawed individual. Much of what he said in the essence of pua is genius before it fell off just with time.

Strauss seems like a worm. I doubt he was that good at pua. Good marketer. Good writer.

Rsd Tyler is a OG. Self proclaimed autism. A weird dude. Made millions, has kids, and a really ****ty come up or point of origin. He has 2 kids, millions, biggest dating company in the world, and still pimping at 40 despite fat and balding.

The redpill guys are smart enough not to show their faces and it goes without saying they have almost no success dating.

What's the point of redpill and mgtow anywayz? These guys clearly do not get laid and their results are considerably worse than even the pua guys, who to their credit, made it their mantra to always go out and approach whenever possible.

Its what pissed me off by the red pill rock star 20s but no pics. Ask rmg about infield. They get bent.

At this rate, manosphere will be advocating sex dolls and porn exclusively. If we are looking for role models, then we should STOP listening to all manosphere guys, yes?

Have you ever tried thinking for yourself?

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Lol bro, check out RSD Luke Instagram to see countless photos with hot girls, including some nudes. Do you know what guys like Todd have full infields of meeting a female stranger and then leading her to their place after creating enough attraction?

Still, do you think what all guys should let everyone know about girls they fck? Or you think what guys should date all and any girls after sex with them? Even on this forum there are many guys who slept with 100+ women, including hot ones. You can't differentiate between dating and just having casual sex? Those are different skills.

Also among RedPill guys there is goodlookingloser with a lot of videos as well, though IDK if he have some photos with girls, I don't care. Just by reading forums and reddit subs you could find countless stories how guys changed their lives thanks to pickup or RP. The thing is - people just share their experience and don't try to prove anything to anyone by including porn videos of themselves, lol.




RedPill have nothing to do with hating or avoiding women. Just you start to understand true face of most women after you slept with a lot of them. When you are attractive and sleep with girls casually then you will find out what a lot of them have bf or husband, some wouldn't even tell you before the sex.. Does it counts as being burnt or something? After sleeping with many women who have bf or husband and who don't feel much guilt about cheating you can't treat women the same way anymore, after all from surface those women could be seen as perfect gf or kind and caring wife.

Good post.

Biggest rsd fan boy and i admit rsd luke is the worst. I like todd but I hear his gf is busted lol

Red pill seems like taking up a Darwin approach to dating.

MGTOW’S kust diverging from responsibility and the beaten path.

I prefer pickup. I like it for sport. Hitting on a random, watching a movie at some girls place, 20min in, and skull ****ing her as her roommate blares music sense she's a squeeler lulz

I love the randomness of it. How a night at the bar with intention of just stepping in, 45min and pulling the chute. In turn, end up taking a girl home, crushing, leaving and hearing the birds chirp in the morning as if to be cheering my performance lol

I remember pulling a chick in ibiza. Walking back with the boys to get eats after a eilf night. The fellas all talking about the dicey night we had prior. The high fives. Big ups all round. There's nothing like it.

 

[allancc3]

I prefer David DeAngelo books to any of those guys.

He was late starter (I think his first sex with woman was after he was 25years old) but he really understood game profoundly.

He also dated a lot of hot women in their 30's

(((David D'Angelo))) He ain't Italian, that's for sure!

Yeah, he's a jew. His real name is Eben (((Pagan))) appropriately enough. Look at the schnozz on that guy. And he didn't marry a "hot girl." He married a cougar with a nose almost as big as his. Some weirdo who calls herself "AnnieLalla."

All the top PUA instructors are Jews: Neil Strauss (Style), Erik Von Markovitz (Mystery), Ross Jeffries, David D. Typical for jews, PUA is akin to a get rich quick marketing scam, a get laid quick marketing scam in this case. Notice they've all abandoned ship since PUA has been widely exposed as a scam.

 

[sch]

PU was both a failure and a success.

It provided the very basic skills one needs to build to be successful with women.
It gave me a motivation to push hard time where I was building that skillset without much success.
I am grateful for all that.

There were some major problems as well:
1) mix of inner game nonsense so characteristic to RSD, which has no scientific basis, and is useless at best.
2) PU failed to give answers to many philosophical questions: how to structure your relationships with girls? What is an endpoint of all that? How would you live in modern western world?

Yes, many years and girls later, many PUAs seem very childish and simplistic, but one day there were not so. They gave us knowledge and motivation that we needed, and we should be grateful for all that.

 

[sch]

What's striking however is what all three schools of thought have in common: NONE of the best known guys in any camp have success with hot women! Neil Strauss, Markowitz (Mystery), Owen Cook (RSD) for example, have had little success dating conventionally hot women. Neil dated a girl in a rock band, but she was well into her 30's I believe. Mystery was more successful, dating a string of drugged out anorexic strippers. Owen I think, had the least success of them all but appears to have made a living in PUA longer than the other two.

I have seen infields of PUAs and seen them game with my eyes. I have seen regular guys getting rockstar results with pickup. It gives you skills to get from introduction to sex, but there's no real answer on where to move next.

What's the point of redpill and mgtow anywayz? These guys clearly do not get laid and their results are considerably worse than even the pua guys, who to their credit, made it their mantra to always go out and approach whenever possible.

Both Red Pill and MGTOW are answers to a more general question -- what is "men" in modern western society?
Both are based on women hate, and that's where I disagree. There should be a third answer, but we're still waiting for it.

 

[allancc3]

They ARE weirdo's. Erik Von Markovic ("mystery") wound up in a mental asylum. Owen Cook ("tyler durden") is a sociopath and austistic. Neil Strauss has been described as the sneakiest person on the planet. They all resort to various tricks and underhanded tactics in order to get laid.

The question is, what are their results? Erik and Neil have proven results. Even there, it's not what most guys are interested in. Erik specialized in coked out anorexic strippers. Neil had that rocker chick girlfriend but she was well into her 30's. Add to that, on any given night, they typically wind up with nothing. Owen has been in the game for decades and his results are pretty poor. You can find the pictures if you search. Even the tricks aren't very effective. Ultimately, any results come down to spam approaching, and most people don't have the time or energy to devote their lives to chasing women.