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Originally posted by amano
You guys have to understand that its only as time consuming as you make it out to be.

I met a girl a couple years ago, HB9, pretty freaking cute and I was really attracted to her. We went on a few dates, but due to circumstances in my life at the time I ended up not seeing her for a while (months). Eventually she ended up meeting someone else and got seriously involved.

We did keep in touch (chat, email) and recently we started hanging out in limited amounts. Coffee here, lunch there. She goes to school near where I work so we are nearby each other. I am in the friends zone, but contrary to many people on this board that would automatically NEXT her (a "waste of time") I saw no reason to cut her off as she wasnt really taking up valuable time in my life. I do turn her down ALOT, when I have a *real* lunch date or coffee date, but this isnt every day so when I am free, yah, I can give her some time. I still flirt
with her playfully, letting her know " hey, if youre ever ever single again..I still think youre hot.." Yada yada.

One Saturday night that I was doing absolutely nothing (hey it happens) she calls me to go to a bar with her. Fine. Better than staying home right? Keep in mind I had no intentions of "getting anywhere with her", this is not why I went, but my usual wingmen were busy that night and hey, I was bored.

Since she is hot she is worth tons of social proof, and she started talking with a group of chicks at the bar that night.
I ended up chatting up one of them and number closing, her IL seemed very high and we have a date next week. Nice find for me.

This is just one example of MANY, but the main point is that its always nice having more friends. Even hot chick friends.

I think what alot of people on this board are assuming about the original post is that

- you are going to put time and effort into this LJBF to try and get out of LJBF.

THIS would definitely be a no no. If this is solely why you keep your
"friend" then you are wasting time where you would be better off out in the field moving on to new women.

Going out with her that night accomplished a few things for me though.

- gave me something to do and I had fun
- got a number I would have otherwise not gotten.
- getting another number in the presence of the "friend" makes you more attractive to her. Just remember this cannot be your primary reason for doing this. Think of it like a bonus. I got the number cuz the other girl was CUTE and I wanted her number. It was not part of some master plan to make my LJBF jealous and inch me closer to getting out of the friend zone...

Yah so I think keeping your chick friends has its uses.

;)

sssssshhhhhhheeeeeeessssshhh!

thank god for keeping it simple!
haven't you noticed that when you keep things really simple
and easy in general...
everything else seems simple and easy as well?

not to mention the chicks.:crackup:

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Originally posted by backbreaker
Here is the thing...

Theres a saying.. Even a clock that is wrong, is right two times a day.

It's like this... When I was an AFC, I still got women. Being AFC doesn't mean you don't get women. Being AFC means you get them for the wrong reasons, and you can't keep them.

I had no problem attracting averge, sometimes above average women when I was an AFC, the girl that I am reffering to actually liked me when I was an AFC... until I went AFC on her...

the best looking girl I ever dated I had when I was a total AFC.

what I am saying, is that even though it happened, you can't constantly expect positive results by LJBFing girls and hoping they introduce them to hotter friends. It wo't happen.

A woman will have a BF and 10 guy "great friedns" before she introcues one of thoose 10 guys to her GF's.

I have only been LJBF'ed twice in my life.. once by this girl, and once when I tried to **** a girl that came over my house at 2 in the morning.. after she told me that I told her politly to get out of my house ,and I never talked to her again.



i feel strongly about this issue as well..i've been LJBF'd
once..and it hurt the most out of them all.
and unlike most guys that would brush off their shoulders
and call it a loss.. i really let her effect my EGO (ICE QUEEN)
and i made it a life goal basiclly to DO them all in (females)
and so i did become really really really good with girls
at a point before i became "currupted" and too much of
a good thing turned bad...

i am a peristant SOB and i know how to get my ways one
way or the other & thats just "my thing" with anything in
life....(peristant in indirect ways ..NOT persitant in AFC type s***)

not all Don Juans are saints....some are devils

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Originally posted by backbreaker
you just can't fall back on the "well, I get it, too bad you don't and you never will so I won't try" arguement.

It's not my fault you can't express yourself and your thoughts, nor is it anyone elses fault on this forum...

I am not flaming you, not in the least bit, but that isnt' worth this forum was built on.

I mean, if you honestly have something to contribute to the board, by all means, go ahead.

NO one is too smart to where they still can't learn.

i sure am draining ain't i ?!...



i know i know ...:rolleyes:
but since i can't sock you in the gut and
offer you a beer ...

i must find other ways to be a complete d*ckhead :D




*sigh* even online i seem to find trouble....
i know .. i need help

:)
 

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you know the more i think about it, there are certain types of guys that can do this... they are chatty by nature & usually extremely curious so naturally they can chat up girls with relative ease.. but charm only goes so far. there are other guys that need to read this message board simply to talk to girls to get confidence to talk to girls they may be interested in. this could happen for a variety of reasons... but i dont see the latter being able to be just friends with a girl.

amano makes a good point by mentioning he turns his 'friend' down all the time and shes simply his entertainment. what is confusing me about this topic is that everyone seems to be striving to have some high level of esteem and confidence but totally disregarding the fact that these methods we all use are based on this ideal ubermensch that supposedly has the ability to not be attracted to every girl they meet.

i suppose the real question is, are you looking to be a DJ, someone who gets what they want or are you looking to get ass by cutting down as much of the risk as possible? nothing is wrong with either approach but i think its good to know where your heart is.

personally my 'goal' is to be so in tune with my desires and abilities to get them that i could not only FIND but ATTRACT my desires just by being myself anywhere i go. if a girl has something i may even remotely want, then i will introduce myself to her. but maybe you sense shes been around the block too many times for you. or maybe shes a bit too much of a tomboy for your tastes. or maybe shes just like the female version of you. regardless if you're doing something you want to do & there is no negative consequences against you, then you are doing what you want! i suppose this is more or less male attention whoring, but if thats something you want to do......

if someone who could barely hold a conversation with a female asked me about this topic, i'd give him completely opposite advice. since this topic is more or less asking for input i am giving you *MY* advice based on what i know. hopefully someone may be able to gain some insight into their own methods by knowing what others do. :up:
 

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i got LJBF, just because the girl had a boyfriend, and this is a girl i swear was love at first sight, for two years i went through day after day of heartache and torment, it really hurt me, i revealed how i felt and she said she felt something, but she loved her boyfriend. I thought i was doomed to be always in love with this girl and lonely, as other girls just did not match up, thinking of her with her boyfriend sent me into a frenzy and i'd have to go hit my punching bag or go for a jog.

After 2 years i met a girl outta the blue that blew the above girl outta the water, two months of going out with this new girl the above girl broke up with her boyfriend, and now that i had stopped chasing her, she admitted her complete love for me, two months ago i broke up with my gf, and within the month kissed the above girl, it was the best kiss i ever had, but after everything, i didn't want her anymore. Three years after i met her, two years of horrible pain, i got her in the end, but it was when i had pretty much stopped caring.

If you can't see my point you are blind.
 

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I think some here are splitting hairs over the definition of what a female friend is and if there even is such a thing. Nothing wrong with disecting things and good warning to heed about girls that LJBF'd you being no friend at all. But there is something to the point of having friends, male and female, and using the resulting social circle to PU. It's a lot easier than the alternative-cold appraoch PU.

No offense but I stil think some here are KJ theroist and braggards at least. The OP had me interested in what he was posting till all the claims of being a natural masterDJ and I realized his only tip was basically push-pull and playing mysterious. That's not anything novel.
 

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Originally posted by organizedconfusion


think about this the next time a girl tells you she just wants
to be friends because that girl will most likley be your ticket
to meeting more girls than you could possibly imagine...

According to this statement, organizedconfusion was referring to girls that LJBFed you first. In this case, being friends will not work on two basic reasons, you are perceived as the loser to her and her friends, and second why put yourself in further emotional tourment. move on...
 

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i would not continue talking to a girl who ljbf'd me. theres no point because being ljbf'd is just being turned down in what fems think is a 'nice way'. or even such a blatently obvious display of disinterest that you'd split with your tail inbetween your legs anyways.

if you get LJBF'd then you were giving off the vibe that you wanted more than friends. a girl doesn't LJBF her friend. i meet with my girl 'friends' maybe once a week if that. pretty much if we both end up having time to hang out for a bit and see whatsup. having friends is neat. i dont answer their calls unless i'm actually planning on meeting them.. that night or the next day. basically they're just like a guy friend that calls you up and asks whatsup and if you've both got nothin better to do you meet up.

fyrefly: i think once you get turned down, even if you do get what you were after its just not the same because it was given to you.
 

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Originally posted by ketostix
I think some here are splitting hairs over the definition of what a female friend is and if there even is such a thing. Nothing wrong with disecting things and good warning to heed about girls that LJBF'd you being no friend at all. But there is something to the point of having friends, male and female, and using the resulting social circle to PU. It's a lot easier than the alternative-cold appraoch PU.

No offense but I stil think some here are KJ theroist and braggards at least. The OP had me interested in what he was posting till all the claims of being a natural masterDJ and I realized his only tip was basically push-pull and playing mysterious. That's not anything novel.


:crackup: :crackup:




basic?
playing mysterious?


i'd run laps around you in the styles of The Coquette

and if you think it's just basic push/pull and "coy" games-
then you got it all wrong and what you "think"
you know is clearly incorrect :D about hot/cold.

am i a natural? hell yeah!!
it ain't braggin' if you can do the thing! :cool:

call me the evil DJ but thats the style that i originated
from...
is anyone here even sure of their "style" & does anyone
here have a solid "self-image"?


and just for the record Kojak ,
everything i post is from 100% field experiance to back it up...
i may sound arrogant at times but what can i say?...
 
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Originally posted by jhs

fyrefly: i think once you get turned down, even if you do get what you were after its just not the same because it was given to you.
Sorry could you explain this better?
 

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well i was agreeing with a vague paraphrase but.. ;D if you get turned down by a girl, she has told you "you can't have what i have to offer". so if later on you actually "get" it, you didn't get anything. you just happened to be around when she was willing to give out what she had to offer. this is why your ex's will randomly call you after not talking to you for a few years/months/whatever. they're on the rebound and what the confidence boost that they can randomly call you and you will spring back to them to see what they have to give you. just like a dog or something. its the difference between lifting 1000 lbs because you've trained yourself to be able to do it vs. someone saying "hey heres a trophy that says you lift 1000 lbs"
 

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Originally posted by backbreaker
So, out of curosity one day, i asked my friend what she looked like... She said "oh, she's great"
:crackup:

if I would have known then what I know now, because everyone on this forum that knows anything about women knows what "she's great" means...

So one day I pick her up from school, like a week later, and she asks can I pick this girl up from her school, which was like 10 mintues away, and wasn't a big deal, plus I was more curious to see what this thing looked like than anything.

So we pick her up, and I swear I am not making this up, this...creature gets into my car, and I am waiting.. I mean, I am polite to her, h olding a convo with her but I am waiting for her "friend"

So after like 3 mintues, my friend says "why haven't you left yet?" And I say 'I'm waiting on your friend" thinking this gobblin co uldn't possibly be this "great" person yo uare talking about.

It was.

I almost wanted to cry... not because the girl was that ugly, she was... but that's not why... Because she honestly thought this is what I was worth, this grimblin that was in my car...

And then had the nerve to SMOKE in my back seat!

LMAO that is some funny sh1t. Back in the AFC's days I too used a girl to set me up to some chick who told me "this girl is soo your type"

I finally meet this girl and I was so dissapointed. No ass and no Breasts and she was like 20lbs overweight! 5 ft nothing Plain Jane! Never again will I go that route!! I knew something was up when the first thing they told about her was that she was very smart lol.

WTF was she thinking??!! If any woman ever wants to set me up with someone, I refuse until I see a damn picture!! Some Chicks don't understand what a man wants or think they were born to be a matchmaker!!

DjDamage
 

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Originally posted by organizedconfusion
:crackup: :crackup:




basic?
playing mysterious?


i'd run laps around you in the styles of The Coquette

and if you think it's just basic push/pull and "coy" games-
then you got it all wrong and what you "think"
you know is clearly incorrect :D about hot/cold.

am i a natural? hell yeah!!
it ain't braggin' if you can do the thing! :cool:

call me the evil DJ but thats the style that i originated
from...
is anyone here even sure of their "style" & does anyone
here have a solid "self-image"?


and just for the record Kojak ,
everything i post is from 100% field experiance to back it up...
i may sound arrogant at times but what can i say?...
Well you claimed to got a "HB9" through a female friend, and you're basic tip was to PU from your female friends' social circles which I agreed with being a good, easier route. When I say natural, I mean a guy who's looks and his normal personality attracts females-there's no planning or scheming in that, and naturals are usually poor at explain the succes to their game. None of the bragging is backed up by anything. All there is here it was you typed and your only tips were push-pull and mystery.


"and if you think it's just basic push/pull and "coy" games-
then you got it all wrong and what you "think"
you know is clearly incorrect :D about hot/cold."

I didn't say I thought that is all there was to it, but that's all you mentioned in this thread. But if you want to set it right and correct and give some useful details to the claims, then cool.
 

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Originally posted by ketostix
I mean a guy who's looks and his normal personality attracts females-there's no planning or scheming in that, and naturals are usually poor at explain the success to their game.



..and now you know why my post was soo confusing and
why it was soo hard to get my point across in the first place :D
 

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organizedconfusion , why do you feel everyone is out to "get you"?

No one ever said you weren't a good DJ, if one at all.. no one said you didn't pull a HB9 or something you said, you confused me, at first i thought you met her though your friend, but then you said something else.. whatever you said, I'm sure it's the truth.

But why do you k eep sa ying you are this "natural DJ" and how you can pull all of these chicks?

Like I said eariler, and what another poster said after me, what you claimed to have found is not earth shattering news... chicks want what they can't have, just like men want what they can't have. If she thinks she can't have you, she will want you more.

BUT THAT WASN'T YOUR ORIGINAL POINT.

Your original point was that you meet "tons" of women though your female friends.

The only time a woman has hooked me up with another woman, is when that woman was a realitive of mine, of course my family is going to put in a good word for me.

But I don't piss off women.. I am very, very cool with all of my ex's... I have had sex with every girl I have EVER dated, since I was 13, in the last 2 years... Every last one, for one reason or another.

However, being cool with them, ,even though we are a thing in the past, doesn't lead me with any extra females.

Well, first of all, I don't need help finding females... Actually I really don't need to be talking to anyone else right now as i have a hard enough time as it is.

Plus, and this hasn't been mentioned once yet on this thread.... but the thrill is in the chase, not the prize. At least for me.

The thrill isn't ****ing these women, ,***** is *****, tits are tits, some girls go down better than others, some girls do things better than others, some are more fun to be around, but overall, sex is just sex.

To me, and this is me talking, the fun is playing cat and mouse with the chick on the other side of the room who you know is checking you out.

Fun is taking a girl, who you don't care about, out in public and watching how other girls look and stare, and you making your moves on them, all while trying to not be noticed by the girl you are with.

Fun is trying to convince a girl, that you just met, that it's i her best interest to have sex with you and your two best friends that night.

Better yet, fun is convincing two girls that they should both have sex with you at the same time.

Fun is flirting with a bartender to the point where she can't take it anymore and literarly draggs you into the bathroom and touge kisses you while she has your **** in her hand.

Like I said, at least for me, the thrill is in the chase.



Now tell me, what's the "thrill" you get out of your friend, even if she does, which she wont, introducing you to some girl who is probabyl a loser... because any girl worth her salt has men lining up to date them, ,and aren't available for "reservations"

this girl I keep reffering two, only dates guys she meets through friends, even though she gets hit on more than any other girl I ever seen.... ti's also true she has serious daddy issues that needs to be resolved.

So like I said, your point is weak, get your game up, get out and **** some women
 

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looks and good personality aren't linked.. its just that most guys with good looks know how to package them right for women.. which is in a personality that caters to their looks. i've got a friend whos from some place in south america, very exotic looking and all my female friends tell me hes hot whats his deal.. but hes not smooth at all.. so he gets average chicks when he could be pulling in some serious hotties. then there are other guys who have such a good 'personality' that they're naturally lucky with girls but are very average in looks. the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side.
 

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Originally posted by backbreaker
organizedconfusion , why do you feel everyone is out to "get you"?

No one ever said you weren't a good DJ, if one at all.. no one said you didn't pull a HB9 or something you said, you confused me, at first i thought you met her though your friend, but then you said something else.. whatever you said, I'm sure it's the truth.

But why do you k eep sa ying you are this "natural DJ" and how you can pull all of these chicks?

Like I said eariler, and what another poster said after me, what you claimed to have found is not earth shattering news... chicks want what they can't have, just like men want what they can't have. If she thinks she can't have you, she will want you more.

BUT THAT WASN'T YOUR ORIGINAL POINT.

Your original point was that you meet "tons" of women though your female friends.

The only time a woman has hooked me up with another woman, is when that woman was a realitive of mine, of course my family is going to put in a good word for me.

But I don't piss off women.. I am very, very cool with all of my ex's... I have had sex with every girl I have EVER dated, since I was 13, in the last 2 years... Every last one, for one reason or another.

However, being cool with them, ,even though we are a thing in the past, doesn't lead me with any extra females.

Well, first of all, I don't need help finding females... Actually I really don't need to be talking to anyone else right now as i have a hard enough time as it is.

Plus, and this hasn't been mentioned once yet on this thread.... but the thrill is in the chase, not the prize. At least for me.

The thrill isn't ****ing these women, ,***** is *****, tits are tits, some girls go down better than others, some girls do things better than others, some are more fun to be around, but overall, sex is just sex.

To me, and this is me talking, the fun is playing cat and mouse with the chick on the other side of the room who you know is checking you out.

Fun is taking a girl, who you don't care about, out in public and watching how other girls look and stare, and you making your moves on them, all while trying to not be noticed by the girl you are with.

Fun is trying to convince a girl, that you just met, that it's i her best interest to have sex with you and your two best friends that night.

Better yet, fun is convincing two girls that they should both have sex with you at the same time.

Fun is flirting with a bartender to the point where she can't take it anymore and literarly draggs you into the bathroom and touge kisses you while she has your **** in her hand.

Like I said, at least for me, the thrill is in the chase.



Now tell me, what's the "thrill" you get out of your friend, even if she does, which she wont, introducing you to some girl who is probabyl a loser... because any girl worth her salt has men lining up to date them, ,and aren't available for "reservations"

this girl I keep reffering two, only dates guys she meets through friends, even though she gets hit on more than any other girl I ever seen.... ti's also true she has serious daddy issues that needs to be resolved.

So like I said, your point is weak, get your game up, get out and **** some women



you seem like a really good guy and thats always a good thing.
i really do wish i had the same intentions you do regarding
woman and dating.

unfortunantly the truth is that it's just a little darker on
my side



what do i get from woman?
do you really want to know?
absolutly nothing. as a matter of fact i dispise woman.
and i loath them. and i disrespect them just for being
them. i absolutly cringe at the thought of being near them
and just looking at them pissess me off.

you now what i get off on?
emotionally draining them completly-


plan and simple as a matter of fact i actually HATE woman.
ALL of them.

and seducing them was the one way of controling them.
(i won't even mention how i do it)


but honestly..
i get off on snubbing girls.
rejecting them and hurting them emotionally.
withholding sex as a form of power.


i get off on spite and seduction of the woman as a whole.
and i really don't care if she see's through me because
of it...not one bit. most of the time i do what i do because i can and it's simply to spite who can't.

To me ,nothing feels better then knowing that
i am the one that hurt her the most and that i will always be
remembered because of it.
and that deep down inside her , no matter who she's with
i know their hearts belong to me.




..so why do i feel as if i am a natural seducer?

because i know i am.







and i still firmly believe that men are better off without a
woman.
they have their place ,but thats it.



i think there is nothing more pathetic then a guy
crying over some dumb skirt...
or beating himself up because he didn't approach an HB10-
and thats another stupid a$$ thing..
don't you guys realise that merely addressing them as
9's and 10's is just giving them more power?
i used it around here so you guys know what i am talking about
but ALL girls are negative -0 in my book.
by seeing a girl as a HB10 will only create anxiety
on most guys.
i don't care if she's Hotter then hell..it don't mean nothing
to me and she won't get any more respect than
the bank teller chick or the waitress at dennys.

you guys really don't get it...



the reason i can pull off s*** like being "friends"
with a girl? because it's as clear as day that i really don't
give two s*** about "where things are heading"
and i don't parade around her like she's miss universe
like most guys would.
if she wants to have a good time i am the one she calls up.
Not some pencil d*** bookworm.
i float around the grey area of friendship/sex
totally oblivious to her needs or wants and just in the moment
blissfully not giving a s***.



it's not like you gotta hold hands and swap secrets or
shopping tips.use your common sense people.
shheees!!
hey goofball, the next time you throw a party-
what would you rather have?
a bunch of girls there or a bunch of dudes?
and how would you go about getting those girls
in the first place if you aren't in the circle?

most guys don't have time or just want to get laid
or whatever and aren't bright enough to see that by building
a bigger social circle with females is the way to go.
and you CAN meet more girls that way if you aren't
an idiot about things.


i am not the only one that aggrees with this concept,
TD/RSD,DD and many other Gurus also have adapted this concept
that most guys are simply oblivious to...
and haven't figured out how to execute properly.
 
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here is my situation when it occurs-
when i meet a girl i don't care whatever happens.
i do my own thing we hang out , i just be myself.
most likely she annoys me.
we go out we do things we have fun.
and then i keep on with the having fun doing things
together type stuff.
if i wanna make a move, i do it in the right time
and i build it through peak moments.
not just out of the blue or because "i feel like i should
or i'll be p*ssy it i don't."

if i want to meet her friends all i do is suggest that
we all hang out at the club or bar and just chill.
and just repeat the process.
it's not as difficult as you guys think.
and if you are coming up with objections you're
just setting yourself up for road blocks.

it dosen't take forever and you don't devote your
life to them...

if i wanna bag one of them i do it.
i just give her more attention then most,
no not like kissing her a$$$ like most guys would.
but just flirt more but still be distant.
detachment & indifference creating distance
when we hang out. be cool , geez guys-
it's like most guys get all anxious when they are around
a girl thats not "labeled" and they don't know how to act.
be yourself goofball.


i know that if there is an intial attraction between you and
any girl and you are alone, and if you know how "to lead"...
you WILL get laid.
all you gotta do is get them alone and oooze out the
sexual charm.
how do i know? i bagged a chick that could barely f**** speak
english, how many can pull that one off?


i am tired of repeating myself ,and if noboby gets it
by now how to pull this off successfully...
then thats really too bad.:D

...oh yeah,
that part where i said if she LJBF's you don't take it
like a death sentence she could be the key to more girls?

thats IF that happens, THEN don't take it as a death sentence.
but it's also best never to let yourself be put in that position in
the first place. girls LJBF's guys that lost the control of the frame from the beggining and didn't pull off the attraction or tried to make them their girls friend...thats why they get next'd.

but then again, if i was hooked up with some fat rhino from one of my female friends-
of course my thoughts on this may be negative also....



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