lets just be friends...

[backbreaker]

lol, thanks DJimage, you made me remember something I should have posted on here 3 years ago.

The girl that bought me to this site. I chased her.. was an AFC.. I ought to dig up my old letters to let you see how pathetic I was.. I can joke about it now, but at the time it wasn't the least bit funny.

NOt the point, let me get to it. So... Right around the time she called me and told me she had a new BF, after telling me for the previous 8 months she wasn't looking for someone everytime I asked her about her and I (can't blame her, was a total AFC, can't get mad at a dog for being a dog) She started calling this girl, I forgot her name, on 3 way alot. I had no idea who she was, but more and more she kept calling her and she was prett cool I guess.

so one day I remembered I p icked the girl i was chasing up from school, like I did everyday, and she asked me when was the last time I dated... it was about a year earlier (because I was too stuck on this girl to look at anyone else... I had at least 5 opprotunties to date some nice looking women) and she blurts out "my friend is single"... and I was like "so.. good for her"

I knew what she was trying to do, but I didn't want her friend, I wanted her.

So she keeps describing how great her friend was and I talked to her a couple of times becuase I was on 3 way with them... she seemed like a cool cat.

So, out of curosity one day, i asked my friend what she looked like... She said "oh, she's great"
:crackup:

if I would have known then what I know now, because everyone on this forum that knows anything about women knows what "she's great" means...

So one day I pick her up from school, like a week later, and she asks can I pick this girl up from her school, which was like 10 mintues away, and wasn't a big deal, plus I was more curious to see what this thing looked like than anything.

So we pick her up, and I swear I am not making this up, this...creature gets into my car, and I am waiting.. I mean, I am polite to her, h olding a convo with her but I am waiting for her "friend"

So after like 3 mintues, my friend says "why haven't you left yet?" And I say 'I'm waiting on your friend" thinking this gobblin co uldn't possibly be this "great" person yo uare talking about.

It was.

I almost wanted to cry... not because the girl was that ugly, she was... but that's not why... Because she honestly thought this is what I was worth, this grimblin that was in my car...

And then had the nerve to SMOKE in my back seat!

2 weeks after that, probalb y not even that, I found this site, and realized witin reading 3 posts the error of my ways... The next day I told her that if she didn't want to date, don't bother picking up the phone and callling me....

I th en figured I was being harsh, and even though I sorta ment what I said, she didn't really do anything WRONG by not liking me, so I tired to call her back like 3 weeks later and her BF picked up the phone and cursed me out, and her and I didn't talk for 2 years after that (actually 2 years to the day that I told her to stop talking to me)

She eventually wrote a letter to my house, and told me she missed me (i.e tampon) and we started talking again.

Now, I knew some of her friends.. remember, I met her because I was dating her Best Friend at the time, and I worked with 2 of her other friends when I met, but thoose are her HS friends.. she is still cool with 1 of them, the one I dated, but she has a entire new set of friends who I don't know and won't let me met.

 

[backbreaker]

Originally posted by organizedconfusion
uh,the last HB10 LBJF chick hooked me up with a HB9 and
we f*cked liked rabbits -
she actually hooked me up with 2 in that paticular situtation,
but i choose the one i get along better with...



am i the only one that this has happened to?
i'm not bragging just stating the facts.

just how many guys have been LJBF'd before exactly?
alot of people are talking as if they've been through the
situation one too many times considering the
details and explanations behind it.

i've been through my share of LJBF's -but only enough to
know better allow it to happen again (ICE QUEEN)
with that in mind this tip is golden.

of course if i look at from a failuristic approach-
i'd guess i'd find faults too...but that just goes for anything

Here is the thing...

Theres a saying.. Even a clock that is wrong, is right two times a day.

It's like this... When I was an AFC, I still got women. Being AFC doesn't mean you don't get women. Being AFC means you get them for the wrong reasons, and you can't keep them.

I had no problem attracting averge, sometimes above average women when I was an AFC, the girl that I am reffering to actually liked me when I was an AFC... until I went AFC on her...

the best looking girl I ever dated I had when I was a total AFC.

what I am saying, is that even though it happened, you can't constantly expect positive results by LJBFing girls and hoping they introduce them to hotter friends. It wo't happen.

A woman will have a BF and 10 guy "great friedns" before she introcues one of thoose 10 guys to her GF's.

I have only been LJBF'ed twice in my life.. once by this girl, and once when I tried to **** a girl that came over my house at 2 in the morning.. after she told me that I told her politly to get out of my house ,and I never talked to her again.

 

[michaelcrown]

Having girls as friends is good for two reasons only.

1) They can introduce you to other girls.

2) They can give you honest opinions on your clothes, hairstyle, etc. (Of course, it goes without saying that you should NEVER ask a girl for relationship advice.)

But if you're friends with a girl and you start developing feelings for her (which is almost inevitable if she's attractive and you're not careful), get the heck away from her! Converting a friend to a lover is very difficult and carries too many emotional risks. If you don't care about losing a friendship, then go for it and don't look back.

I agree with what was previously said- if a girl says "LJBF" to you, not only will you never get her romantically, but she probably doesn't really want to have you a friend either.

 

[organizedconfusion]

Originally posted by backbreaker


The entire point is, women weren't ment to be "friends with". Women don't like sports. They don't have the same body parts as we do. Most don't like beer. Women have kids, Men Make Kids. Women are emotional, Men are Rational. Women go to clubs and bars to hang out with "the girls". Men go to clubs and Bars to get laid. women don't pacturaly like video games (most have learned to accecpt this)

Now, you being a testerone crazed young adult, what do women offer as friendship? I wouldn't trust a woman with a butterfinger, let alone any information I consider important... women love to talk to each other, and the more "drama" you can add to their lives the better.

Now, it's good to get to know women, it's good to have some things in common.. but the whole "women can be freinds" angle just doesn't work.. because, ,and this is my last point... any woman you meet, you meet and got to know becuase you wanted to **** her. If it were up to you, you would be ****ing her as we speak. She decided she didn't want to go that route, so you ended up being "friends" and now you have rationalized this as being okay, and you have "so much in common".

*shakes head*

*sigh*
you are really missing the point entirly dude,
explain EXACTLY how the post interpretes to you and i'll
discuss it with you-

because you keep on making up reasons why it won't work
"logically" when i have MADE it work through experiance


i am assuming that thinking that you are supposed to swap secrets and dating tips and cry watching sob movies with these girls...

have some imagination and live a little!

i have taken friends as girls to the ocean,taken hikes,
freakin' thrift shops, porno shops and just teased them
and had a good time..and guess what?
they ALL fell for me in about a week. i literally did this huge
experiment were i would see exactly how long it would
take for a chick to fall head over hells for me-eventhough
we were "just friends".

like i said a dozen times before...
i've done this one too many times before to doubt it
(i have dabbled in classic seduction)


if it dosen't work for you why are you trying soo hard to
devalidate it so it dosen't work for anyone else?

i have a nagging suspicion that the guys that are against
this tip are the guys that NEVER made it work before....or could

 

[backbreaker]

Originally posted by michaelcrown
Having girls as friends is good for two reasons only.

1) They can introduce you to other girls.

2) They can give you honest opinions on your clothes, hairstyle, etc. (Of course, it goes without saying that you should NEVER ask a girl for relationship advice.)

But if you're friends with a girl and you start developing feelings for her (which is almost inevitable if she's attractive and you're not careful), get the heck away from her! Converting a friend to a lover is very difficult and carries too many emotional risks. If you don't care about losing a friendship, then go for it and don't look back.

I agree with what was previously said- if a girl says "LJBF" to you, not only will you never get her romantically, but she probably doesn't really want to have you a friend either.

First, did you read anything I just said.. I will repeat... A girl will have a BF and 10 great "guy friends" before she introduces you to any over her hot, or even better looking GF's.

When I was dating this girls's BF, she tried like Hell to keep me away from her, because she knew she was hotter (not even remotely close) and honestly her friend had more going for her in life in general...

And she did the right thing, because the first time I saw her friend, I was like "****, **** this, I want her"


Secondly, I can dress. I can dress my ass off.. I take pride in my sense of style. I don't need a woman to tell me how to dress.. Hell, in all honesty, girls drag me shopping with them to give THEM advice.. One thing the girl that LJBF'ed me and I have in common is we are both fashion nuts... We both have a great sense of style... We always look fowards to each other b/day and xmas presents, ,because it's usually the only thing I will like.

Even when she had a BF last year, she saved up enough money to get me some Burberry colonge, probably the only pair of colonge I didn't have that I wanted and Armani Casual Shirt, I and I got her something that she knew nothing about, but loves to this day.

A woman should never tell you have to dress. My dad taught me the importance of fashion at an early age... As well as I can dress, and when I go out, I am usually the or one of the cleanest guys in the place, my 16 year old brother I just look at and shake my head, because he ozzes style... whenever I pick him up from school I always pick his brain on where he got this or that idea from, or where he got that shirt from or something similar to that.

Point is, you are pretty sick if you have to have a woman's opinion on what looks good on you. You are grownand you don't know what looks good on you by now? What are you, a barbie doll?

 

[organizedconfusion]

Originally posted by michaelcrown
Having girls as friends is good for two reasons only.

1) They can introduce you to other girls.

2) They can give you honest opinions on your clothes, hairstyle, etc. (Of course, it goes without saying that you should NEVER ask a girl for relationship advice.)

But if you're friends with a girl and you start developing feelings for her (which is almost inevitable if she's attractive and you're not careful), get the heck away from her! Converting a friend to a lover is very difficult and carries too many emotional risks. If you don't care about losing a friendship, then go for it and don't look back.

I agree with what was previously said- if a girl says "LJBF" to you, not only will you never get her romantically, but she probably doesn't really want to have you a friend either.

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:


i am even friends with ICE QUEEN and she is the queen of
LJBF and everytime she is in town, i am the first person
she calls up...and guess what? i snubb her, why?
because i can :crackup:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ice+queen

i hate her but i love her,the ICE QUEEN made me this way.
i call her the ICE QUEEN because i learned all of her dispicable
ways to manipulate and use and hurt people as well
as making them fall head over heels for me.
the only reason why i am soo good at what i did/do is
all solely because of her..maybe i'll share the story one
day maybe not...

i understand that NOT everyone has the ability to pull
some of the sh*t i post up ,but i'll post them up anyways
and allow everyone else to come to their own
conclusions on how to execute them properly.

everything i post up is 100% field experiance
just keep that in mind, this is before i even knew
techniques, DYD,RSD anything...

i had to learn this s*** from getting my heart ripped out and
served to me with a nice side of steamed veges

i have never even talked about any of this stuff before
let alone try to explain it in a way that everyone will
understand and get

 

[backbreaker]

Originally posted by organizedconfusion
*shakes head*

*sigh*
you are really missing the point entirly dude,
explain EXACTLY how the post interpretes to you and i'll
discuss it with you-

because you keep on making up reasons why it won't work
"logically" when i have MADE it work through experiance


i am assuming that thinking that you are supposed to swap secrets and dating tips and cry watching sob movies with these girls...

have some imagination and live a little!

i have taken friends as girls to the ocean,taken hikes,
freakin' thrift shops, porno shops and just teased them
and had a good time..and guess what?
they ALL fell for me in about a week. i literally did this huge
experiment were i would see exactly how long it would
take for a chick to fall head over hells for me-eventhough
we were "just friends".

like i said a dozen times before...
i've done this one too many times before to doubt it
(i have dabbled in classic seduction)


if it dosen't work for you why are you trying soo hard to
devalidate it so it dosen't work for anyone else?

i have a nagging suspicion that the guys that are against
this tip are the guys that NEVER made it work before....or could

the thing is, we are both agreeing, I see what you are saying...

Notice how I never said LJBFing a girl wouldn't work, you can't look back and find where I said that.

I cleary said that I personally don' thave itme to LJBF a girl.

Why take a friend hiking, to a porno shop or whatever, when I can take a girl that wants me hiking or to a porno shop?

See my reasoning with that?

We both, seemingly agree that you getting LJBFed by a girl and sticking around is wrong.

When I said that logically it wouldnt' work, that's what I was reffering to, not the other way around.

Of course it would.. why wouldn't it? It's nothing but role reversal.

It's just that I'm too busy to even do that... I have a hard enough time for women that aren't friends, let alone women I want to potentialy date.

The woman I met at the bar? I didn't make a move on her for 3 months. Keept it casual. Talked to her from time to time. Found out she was married, and had 2 kids. She seemed to be flirting with me a little more intensely, until one day one of her coworkers told me that she told her that she was going to end up ****ing me.

So one day I brought a girl I was talking to on a date up there while I knew she was working, just to let her see the compition. Not only could I tell she was spying on me (she litarerly sat down and started talking to us on our date), I could tell she was checking her out, and the next time I saw her, which was a week later, all suttle flirting went out the window.. she threw herself at me.

So yes, it works, but I am not willing, nor should I see why any guy should be willing to put in that amount of time in the first place. IN this case, it caused me no extra time, because I had to spend no time with her.

But let me ask you this... When you see a girl, what makes you think "she's hot, ,but I want to be her friend?"

I've never looked at a girl I wouldn't mind ****ing (assumig she wasn't a friend of a girl I was dating or one of my boy's girls) and said "damn, ,she would make a great friend"

How do you look at a girl and decide if she is going to be your FRIEND, or your GF?

Do you even have the choice?

Which is what leads me to believe that in the longrun, it's really just another way to convince yourself you are doing the "right thing".

 

[backbreaker]

Originally posted by organizedconfusion
:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:


i am even friends with ICE QUEEN and she is the queen of
LJBF and everytime she is in town, i am the first person
she calls up...and guess what? i snubb her, why?
because i can :crackup:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ice+queen

i hate her but i love her,the ICE QUEEN made me this way.
i call her the ICE QUEEN because i learned all of her dispicable
ways to manipulate and use and hurt people as well
as making them fall head over heels for me.
the only reason why i am soo good at what i did/do is
all solely because of her..maybe i'll share the story one
day maybe not...

i understand that NOT everyone has the ability to pull
some of the sh*t i post up ,but i'll post them up anyways
and allow everyone else to come to their own
conclusions on how to execute them properly.

everything i post up is 100% field experiance
just keep that in mind, this is before i even knew
techniques, DYD,RSD anything...

i had to learn this s*** from getting my heart ripped out and
served to me with a nice side of steamed veges

i have never even talked about any of this stuff before
let alone try to explain it in a way that everyone will
understand and get

you just can't fall back on the "well, I get it, too bad you don't and you never will so I won't try" arguement.

It's not my fault you can't express yourself and your thoughts, nor is it anyone elses fault on this forum...

I am not flaming you, not in the least bit, but that isnt' worth this forum was built on.

I mean, if you honestly have something to contribute to the board, by all means, go ahead.

NO one is too smart to where they still can't learn.

 

[h2o]

Originally posted by backbreaker
Wait.. wait, let me back up and reinterate the fact that 95% of the time, you really aren't her friend in the first place, you are a guy who tried to talk to her, you didn't "do it" for some reason to her and she isn't sexually attracted or romanteically interested in you. trust me, i had one who said she was my friend...worst friend i ever had.

The only time you can get a woman friend to let her introduce you to her "girlfrinds' is if you have what I call a "postive refference"

Otherwise, all her GF's are going to think, or even say, "damn, if he is such a good guy, why don't YOU take him?"

exact-a-mundo. you gotta realize a girl that rejects you and ljbf's you will never be your friend. and if she says she is, she's not. she will be the worst friend you ever had.

Let me add my 2 cents.

I've personally always had trouble keeping girls as friends only. I've only been purely LJBF'd by one girl, and she's the one that led me to finding this site. Other than that, I've never kept in touch with any girl after they rejected me, what's the point? And I honestly don't get how being LJBF'd is such a big deal, you just move on to the next.

But, I used to also be very bitter towards being friends with girls, and thought it could never happen. I still doubt girls/guys can truly be friends without any possible chemistry going on or something. However, if you can use this to your advantage, as in you LJBF the girl (rather than her to you), it is very neat.

For example, since recently, when I cold approach girls, I approach from the LJBF standpoint. I just get to know them on a friendly level...still flirt as I do always anyway, and just invite them to hang out and stuff like that. And eventually you meet their friends, and friends of friends, etc etc.

It's actually genius. What I never understood was how some guys are so bitter and don't like having friends that are girls. But, actually, I think it's because those guys either still can't make moves or have been burnt in the past when they had chances to make a move and chickened out or something. If you have friends that are girls, your are just setting up bunch of options to choose from, seriously.

You know what else...it's your fault if you act like the shy nice guy. You have to set the terms for your 'friendship' ...don't be inconsistent...make that first impression count so they know what you're about. You can't just be friends with a girl, and then all of a sudden try to make a move on her. You have to always be flirty, bold, etc. I am definitely finally getting what Jariel keeps preaching here about building a social network of girls, and stuff like that. This is how it should be.

And by my definition of 'friendship' ...like I said, you just approach them, keep their number and call them up occasionally for a party or event or something that you are doing anyway. You'll see them around anyway and talk to them. But it literally takes no effort, maybe a few minutes a week, plus a couple more minutes for approaches, max? lol. and then you just wait for the right moment to make your move, or get introduced to a hot friend, whatever. It works best when you know the girl is somewhat interested in you...because like I said, I doubt there can ever be any 'friendship' if the girl is not interested at all.

edit: i'd like to add, that it's easy for some to read what i wrote and say something like, "well, who wants to wait around for opportunities," or that i'm lazy for sitting around for the "right moment," etc. but if you're busy with life...seriously, the amount of girls you get fits nicely with your schedule. actually, last week i got some girl's number and with all the work i've had lately, i straight up told her that i don't have time to get to know her now, even though i want to. and she seems more interested than ever. still, point being, trying to get girls is not my life, and it's easy to think i get none, but if you're actually busy with life and your goals and do it this way, it will come to you, on a regular, monthly or so basis. i mean, sure i don't get laid daily or anything like that, but i'm not an aspiring pua either, so i could care less...i have more important things to do. you really gotta start adopting that mindset, things fall into place. sorry for the irrelevant rant, but i think actually, having friends that are girls makes more sense when you don't have time to be sarging 24/7.

 

[h2o]

sorry i didn't read all the posts before i posted...but just wanted to say that this...

Originally posted by backbreaker
It's just that I'm too busy to even do that... I have a hard enough time for women that aren't friends, let alone women I want to potentialy date.

is the key to your success man

 

[Jaun_Don]

I am only really "friends" with my good friends girlfriends and if a chick LJBF's me then I just move the **** on and cut all contact...NO Man likes to watch a girl he is into hook up with other dudes or hear about it.

There just is no point in bieng friends with a chick you are attracted to because it will just drive you nuts and boost her ego.

Not only that if you have wasted time and energy on her then don't do it anymore...why should she still get your attention when she just wants to be "friends"?...it makes no sense.

 

[organizedconfusion]

Originally posted by backbreaker
the thing is, we are both agreeing, I see what you are saying...

Notice how I never said LJBFing a girl wouldn't work, you can't look back and find where I said that.

I cleary said that I personally don' thave itme to LJBF a girl.

Why take a friend hiking, to a porno shop or whatever, when I can take a girl that wants me hiking or to a porno shop?

See my reasoning with that?

We both, seemingly agree that you getting LJBFed by a girl and sticking around is wrong.

When I said that logically it wouldnt' work, that's what I was reffering to, not the other way around.

Of course it would.. why wouldn't it? It's nothing but role reversal.

It's just that I'm too busy to even do that... I have a hard enough time for women that aren't friends, let alone women I want to potentialy date.

The woman I met at the bar? I didn't make a move on her for 3 months. Keept it casual. Talked to her from time to time. Found out she was married, and had 2 kids. She seemed to be flirting with me a little more intensely, until one day one of her coworkers told me that she told her that she was going to end up ****ing me.

So one day I brought a girl I was talking to on a date up there while I knew she was working, just to let her see the compition. Not only could I tell she was spying on me (she litarerly sat down and started talking to us on our date), I could tell she was checking her out, and the next time I saw her, which was a week later, all suttle flirting went out the window.. she threw herself at me.

So yes, it works, but I am not willing, nor should I see why any guy should be willing to put in that amount of time in the first place. IN this case, it caused me no extra time, because I had to spend no time with her.

But let me ask you this... When you see a girl, what makes you think "she's hot, ,but I want to be her friend?"

I've never looked at a girl I wouldn't mind ****ing (assumig she wasn't a friend of a girl I was dating or one of my boy's girls) and said "damn, ,she would make a great friend"

How do you look at a girl and decide if she is going to be your FRIEND, or your GF?

Do you even have the choice?

Which is what leads me to believe that in the longrun, it's really just another way to convince yourself you are doing the "right thing".

CHOICES?

I am CONFIDENT enough to seduce ANY girl i CHOOSE.
EVEN the ones i DON'T want -AS WELL as the ones that
DON'T want me.


what do i think when i see a girl i think is hot?
i have a "game" where i can see exactly how many IOI's i trigger inside of her-
( through both interaction and subtle cues of communications
back and forth ) sometimes theres a conversation-sometimes theres not, sometimes it's for a few mintues sometimes longer..
and it ALWAYS starts as saying "whats up?" with a penetrating gaze-
right at the peak of the interaction & when i sensed i built enough attraction & when i get her hooked-
i snub her. leaving her high & dry.

SOMETIMES I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING..
and i'll still get IOI's unless you know what that means
EXACTLY you may have a hard time believing it...

if you know how a girl looks like when she wants more from
you, you know what i am talking about...


i do this to ALL of the girls i encounter on a day to
day basis that i find either attractive in some way
that appeals to me
(sometimes looks,most of the
time there is something about them they draws me to them)

when i worked at a popular bookstore for 2 years,
i did this EVERY SINGLE DAY to almost every single female
co-worker. not all the time, just when i wanted a little fun...
and i did it alllll the time to my boss, she was cool and i got
alot of favoritism out of it...

what is behind my sick & twisted ways??

i do it ..BECAUSE I CAN AND JUST TO SPITE THE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T.
sounds really jerkish huh?
well it is and i bet alot of guys would do exactly the same thing...


-SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST GET WITH THEM THEN, MR.BIG SHOT KNOW IT ALL?-

because i don't want to as a matter of fact i dispise them for being soo easily had in the first place..


MOTIVE
NOT everyone that comes here as an AFC to begin with...
some of us have deep seeded evil inside of us and trying deperatly to be rid of it. one of the wrongs in my life
was the abiltiy to seduce people horridly and it
stems from early childhood neglect.

why am i telling you guys all of this?
because this is my reality and this is how the abilility
to seduce was engrained inside of me and that's
where the confidence comes from.

even as of today, i still duo it out with ICE QUEEN
and "i still keep points."


why the hell do i preach soo much about things like
being a man, friends with girls,doing things for yourself and NOT for females and that theres more to life
then just getting laid and scamming on females?

because i was that guy that only thought about getting laid,
getting girls, sex..
and it made me completly warped in my ways.

be carefull what you wish for.
most people i would assume are trying to get to this level
of confidence & ability -when i am myself working backwards
and trying to find my way back to just being normal again.
when you know how to get what you want from people
it comes to a point where you get sick of it.




LJBF OBJECTION ...
i shared the tip assuming that people could execute it properly.
because that tip has gotten me favorable results everytime.
But what i left out was the psychology behind it that made it
most effective (hey i can't give everything away)


you have to understand, i see things from a perspective of
"everything works" because it has for me so far, and i understand that some people may have a hard time relating to that type of mindset if it's naturally filled with objections...

where most have failed and given up on the LJBF objection, i kept on failing in order to make it work ...the LJBF obejection? i gotten over that years ago ,because i was hurt beyond belief and i made sure it would'nt happen again. So i went out and did just that-
i learned how to "make it work" and as soon as it "clicked"
for me i made it a "habit" and left it as that.

and now i am able to either overcome it or not even have that
issue come up.AND if i really really really really wanted
to and had some time, i could "flip the script" and do a
reversal of the situaiton ,but that would be more to feed my
hurt EGO then anything else-so i just make sure to avoid
that situation totally.


THE TRUTH..

quite honestly dude, i really don't care about girls
or their well being or anything about them...
and thats the only reason why i am here.
so i can change that


not everyone is what they seem...and that's been my greastet
tool in seducing girls & people in general

maybe this will give you all more insight as of to why i have been soo effective with girls in the past and why i am here and
how vitally important it is to "get help" from this site...

http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/artcls/socio.htm


remember , NOT everyone that comes here is an AFC in the first place...

 

[jhs]

well ultimately if you're a DJ and a female friend is what you want (i love em!) then go for it. however there is a big difference between thinking a girl is cool and being friends with her and getting LJBF'd and shrugging it off as 'well shes cool anyways and i'm not really into her cause i met ______ whos way better anyways'. if you wanted to be friends with the girl, you wont get LJBF'd. you just get what you want.

i dont care what you guys say, but no guy can be friends with a girl he is just attracted to. he can definently hold back infinetly, but he can never be just friends. why? because if all your best guy friends turned into hot *****es and told you to **** their brains out, you'd never need a girl again. so if you've got a hot friend thats a girl... this is the kind of stuff you start enjoying from a long term relationship thats going smooth. even if both of you date outside of eachother, there will always be that lingering thought of what if.

i'm friends with a lot of girls and i'm attracted to everyone of them and given the opportunity i'd totally hit it. but i met them with different intentions. i wanted to have some really cool girl friends that were attractive enough for me to not mind spending time with em. so i've got a set of girls which i've decided (before i even met them) that i'd be friends with. these girls buy me coffee and cook me food, typical AFC ****, but again, as long as you have no intentions of ever being an aggressor towards the girl, you are far from an AFC. you're just social.

 

[backbreaker]

so to basically sum up what you said in lemans terms, you know she is go ing to LJBF you, so you beat her to the punch...

How is that any different then being LJBF'ed besides you save the heartache and agnoy of hearing it come out of her mouth?

The fact is, no one that is successufl, or at least as successful as they would like comes here to this forum.

no one says, "damn, I'm soo good with women, I just Have to find a place to share my thoughts"

And it's okay.. no ones perfect, and because of the media, feminism, etc, we have been as a whole, brainwashed to belive what is and isn't right on their terms.


Also something else I wanted to hit on, you mentioned earlier, one of the first posts here, that LJBFing women is great for meeting other women.

once that was proved to be the farthest thing from the truth, which it is, you then said that all of the women you are LJbF'ed by or visa versa, end up falling for you.

So which is it?

No one is flaming you, but you haven't said anything to contridict thousands of posts here plus hundreds of life experiences here.

Even Senor Fingers, one of the all time greats here, had to adknowldge that, even though he got LJBF'ed by women, he had to first accecpt the fact that he didn't at first succeed with her and had to basically rebuild his image of himself in her eyes. He didn't do it by lying to himself, saying 'I LJBF'ed her.. See, I didn't become a friend, she became my friend" when in reality the only reason you did it, was because you knew she was going to it first.

Here is my all time litmis test for friends.

If your female friend comes over your house, goes to the bathroom, comes out butt/ass naked with some 6 inch Heels on and says "take me, take me right now"


Would you say a) ...sure

or would you say b) No, I can't do that, you mean too much of a friend to me.

If you can do B.. honestly, she is your friend, and you are a better man than me and most people here

 

[jhs]

in a totally fantasy environment in which female friends i dont chase would offer themselves to me? hell yeah.

 

[organizedconfusion]

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:


look-
if you control the frame from the beggining
anything is possible, EVEN if you lost that position-
it can ALWAYS be leveraged back.

it's all about CONTROL and keeping control
plain & simple.

it's all about controling the frame as well as the people
involved.

i really don't even address the issue about LJBF
or even relationships with any girls- ever...
and if i do i am indifferent.

staying & keeping detatched is my key.

all the girls i was just friends with on neutral terms
i had seduced within a week during that time frame
when i was doing my "experiment"

if you go into every single encounter trying to figure
out where she fits into the whole picture you already lost...

i go in knowing that she is mine and i never assume or create boundaries in the first place.By remaining in the neutral
zone but with sexual chemisty & never even bringing up
the topic at all (friends/lovers)
just keeping it wide open for interpretation.
right in the grey area ( floating between friends & lovers )is where girls fall the deepest...


as far as meeting girls from other girls...no one really see's
the light in that? :crackup: oh well...more for me

 

[organizedconfusion]

for anyone who might have missed what it means to be
"a friend" to a chick...remember though, we were friends
but i had an underlining motive to seduce them...




i am assuming that thinking that you are supposed to swap secrets and dating tips and cry watching sob movies with these girls...

have some imagination and live a little!

i have taken friends as girls to the ocean,taken hikes,
freakin' thrift shops, porno shops and just teased them
and had a good time..and guess what?
they ALL fell for me in about a week. i literally did this huge
experiment were i would see exactly how long it would
take for a chick to fall head over hells for me-eventhough
we were "just friends"

like i said a dozen times before...
i've done this one too many times before to doubt it
(i have dabbled in classic seduction)


*eventhough i call them "just friends" here online as we speak
i still never made that distinction with the girls during the interaction- i simply left it wide open...
to the girls we're just "hanging out."*

 

[tmpgstx]

I can't be friends with a girl i want to have sex with. It's too frustrating. The whole time you're talking with her you're scheming how to tap that ass. Admit it guys - this is AFC land. You become frustrated and it usually ends in resentment and bitterness.

 

[amano]

You guys have to understand that its only as time consuming as you make it out to be.

I met a girl a couple years ago, HB9, pretty freaking cute and I was really attracted to her. We went on a few dates, but due to circumstances in my life at the time I ended up not seeing her for a while (months). Eventually she ended up meeting someone else and got seriously involved.

We did keep in touch (chat, email) and recently we started hanging out in limited amounts. Coffee here, lunch there. She goes to school near where I work so we are nearby each other. I am in the friends zone, but contrary to many people on this board that would automatically NEXT her (a "waste of time") I saw no reason to cut her off as she wasnt really taking up valuable time in my life. I do turn her down ALOT, when I have a *real* lunch date or coffee date, but this isnt every day so when I am free, yah, I can give her some time. I still flirt
with her playfully, letting her know " hey, if youre ever ever single again..I still think youre hot.." Yada yada.

One Saturday night that I was doing absolutely nothing (hey it happens) she calls me to go to a bar with her. Fine. Better than staying home right? Keep in mind I had no intentions of "getting anywhere with her", this is not why I went, but my usual wingmen were busy that night and hey, I was bored.

Since she is hot she is worth tons of social proof, and she started talking with a group of chicks at the bar that night.
I ended up chatting up one of them and number closing, her IL seemed very high and we have a date next week. Nice find for me.

This is just one example of MANY, but the main point is that its always nice having more friends. Even hot chick friends.

I think what alot of people on this board are assuming about the original post is that

- you are going to put time and effort into this LJBF to try and get out of LJBF.

THIS would definitely be a no no. If this is solely why you keep your
"friend" then you are wasting time where you would be better off out in the field moving on to new women.

Going out with her that night accomplished a few things for me though.

- gave me something to do and I had fun
- got a number I would have otherwise not gotten.
- getting another number in the presence of the "friend" makes you more attractive to her. Just remember this cannot be your primary reason for doing this. Think of it like a bonus. I got the number cuz the other girl was CUTE and I wanted her number. It was not part of some master plan to make my LJBF jealous and inch me closer to getting out of the friend zone...

Yah so I think keeping your chick friends has its uses.

 

[organizedconfusion]

Originally posted by tmpgstx
I can't be friends with a girl i want to have sex with. It's too frustrating. The whole time you're talking with her you're scheming how to tap that ass. Admit it guys - this is AFC land. You become frustrated and it usually ends in resentment and bitterness.

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

well it's not schemin' if it comes natural!
and it ain't braggin' if you can do the thing!