Let's Change The World. Seriously.

[Divorced w 3]

The best advice I got on this forum was largely related to the Pook and Anti-Dump Machine references that I went down on my own. Whether most men here realize it or not, any time you’re suggesting waiting a couple days to call, doing an active date, calling for 10-15 and then cutting it short, asking her out on weeknights (except Thursday) and not weekends until she’s sealed the deal - you’re referencing to the body of work laid by those two.

Those two, undoubtedly, were the best advice, the fastest and most easily applicable advice, I have used in real life with astonishing success in short order.

The WORST advice, I have ever taken, and I won’t name from who, was to make a list of demands that I THOUGHT I needed, enforce those demands, and in one other case take a hard line stance for the sake of taking a hard line stance - super Red Pill stuff - it destroyed a year’s worth of experience in a matter of days, massive, massive blunder that I am still untangling - friends and family all like WHAT THE FVCK WERE YOU THINKING YOU WERE DOING GREAT WHY WOULD YOU ISSUE AN ULTIMATUM - yes, the caps are that serious, they’re that loud, I still hear about it, I may never live it down

Bottom line guys - you can tell who is following and dishing the former, the field reports and the advice that your little princess is probably not an angel, that it’s just how the world works, that you need to break her back the first time you get the chance - not buy her roses and write her a sonnet - follow that crowd. They want the best for you and they’ll teach you the game

STAY THE FVCK AWAY from the red pill. It won’t just blow your relationship it will destroy your life. It is not how the human condition works and it is massively anti social. You will fail in business, people will not tolerate that. You’ll fail in your own life with your friends and family. You will be a running joke. You will pull your hair out dealing with all the blowback and resentment this stuff causes. Not worth your sanity, and you will lose it thinking ‘next time it’ll go differently’. It won’t. People aren’t wired this way.

And guys, think about it a step further. When it blows up in your face, and it will I promise you, what are you going to blame it on? ‘‘The rational male’’ on YouTube told me this is how I am supposed to ‘maintain frame’??

Say that outloud to yourself in a mirror and envision saying that to anyone in the real world with a straight face. You have no recourse - no way to come back.

I did hallucination therapy I actually spent some time thinking about this place. I break a lot of nice things around here but this is a special place. It’s a good place to get a lot of stuff in focus and if we lose the old heads that carry that wisdom and let the inmates take over, it would really be tragic.

The best advice you can get is always through mentorship and is always free. Nobody is going to charge you or ask you to like or refer out their page or ask you for any sort of compensation. This place is that mentorship. The red pill guys are preying on you. They sell things and they get paid by google ads. They are intentionally sensational. It takes a handful of things to do this and they’re all free : read those books - go out in the world and try it - post a field report - eat some shyt and laugh about it - repeat

thanks for tagging me in buddy. Appreciate you and all the good work and vibes and support around here

 

[kavi]

Obviously the world is changing and we are probably not going to go back to the old system where literally evry guy gets a wife and every guy gets the same type of 'love' or experience from women. This means there will be more 'incels'and lonely guys in the world esp in the earlier phase when they still expect to get the same results as other guys.

Why would all men get the same, we are not the same. Does a pro athlete or great scientist get rhe same respect as some normie slow fat guy?

So i think there should be a special area for those who are having specific long term challenges ie those without the genetic or behaviours qualities to be competitive in the social romantic shpere.

And the thing is i know about men and tbh it dont matter how much advice and self help is given its like making a slow fat guy into an olympif splinter and with male female dynamics a man really only work with what hes got and though learning and effort us important it will only take you far.

I believe christiano ronaldo was once asked what is more important talent or effort and he replied without talent effort means little.

Those men who are born with certain physical qnd personality traits usually know the difference and for me also i just know im different to other guys both in looks and also personality intensity vigour etc and those things cannot be taught.

 

[characternote]

What a better way to change that than you going and posting a field report about your latest lay.

i done that for you as a reply, in case you missed it.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Obviously the world is changing and we are probably not going to go back to the old system where literally evry guy gets a wife and every guy gets the same type of 'love' or experience from women. This means there will be more 'incels'and lonely guys in the world esp in the earlier phase when they still expect to get the same results as other guys.

Why would all men get the same, we are not the same. Does a pro athlete or great scientist get rhe same respect as some normie slow fat guy?

So i think there should be a special area for those who are having specific long term challenges ie those without the genetic or behaviours qualities to be competitive in the social romantic shpere.

And the thing is i know about men and tbh it dont matter how much advice and self help is given its like making a slow fat guy into an olympif splinter and with male female dynamics a man really only work with what hes got and though learning and effort us important it will only take you far.

I believe christiano ronaldo was once asked what is more important talent or effort and he replied without talent effort means little.

Those men who are born with certain physical qnd personality traits usually know the difference and for me also i just know im different to other guys both in looks and also personality intensity vigour etc and those things cannot be taught.

Personality and social dynamics can be taught. Looks can be also adjusted significantly by taking care of one’s self grooming and physically, projecting a confident personality, etc. Red Pill gurus are a great example of this actually. Richard Cooper is a fvcking slob (and a fraud) but there are men that eat that stuff up and actually pay that man for his time. Personality and persuasion are a legitimate skill.

Go read your history and try again. Major social movements have been borne by the plans and charisma of truly not good looking people. Does the name Adolf Hitler ring a bell?

 

[Divorced w 3]

Chiming in here.

First I'm going to address the claim that I'm a disbeliever. My disbelief isn't entirely unfounded. My disbelief comes from the fact every single time I've expressed interest in a gal based on perceived IOIs, I've been wrong. When it happens 100% of the time, you begin to question your ability to gauge IOIs.

Now to address the general topic of the thread.

Whether the mods keep me or not is their call. I respect their decision either way (I've found plenty of online communities through the years. I can easily find more if I get the boot here)

Even if I stay, I won't post any of my borderline incel posts/threads anymore (as the mods have made it clear they don't want that type of content going forward)

I'm going to take a moment to point out, however, there have been gains I've made on this forum.

I learned that the man is supposed to pick the venue for dates. I learned the shirt I posted a thread about isn't the most flattering shirt. Any lesson I've learned, no matter how slight, is a step in the right direction.

I've started reading some literature that was recommended to me.

I've started traveling more, per @BaronOfHair's recommendation.

Additionally, I've learned some stuff through DM.

I've attended organized singles events. Even if the usefulness of these events has been questioned on the forum, the very fact I'm attending these events (rather than being glued to my laptop on the weekends like I would have been 6 months ago) is a step in the right direction.

Sounds great but not buying it. If you mean what you say, drop the feminine energy you exhibit which is most visibly espoused with you endlessly arguing and debating advice in which you started threads to seek. You’re supposed to be a grown man, act like it.

 

[New_Journey]

Richard Cooper is a fvcking slob (and a fraud)

Why do you think that is? I've read his book and he has several good points.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Obviously the world is changing and we are probably not going to go back to the old system where literally evry guy gets a wife and every guy gets the same type of 'love' or experience from women

Such days never existed anywhere, outside of a white-washed reading of history, peddled by The Ayatollahs Of Red Pill Theology on YouTube

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Such days never existed anywhere, outside of a white-washed reading of history, peddled by The Ayatollahs Of Red Pill Theology on YouTube

Proverbs 18:22, written thousands of years ago, implies not every man gets a wife.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

For most of human history most dudes never got laid.

Even up until right before the Industrial Revolution, only about half of Europeans had kids that had kids.

For only a brief span of human history (a blink of an eye in the big picture) did most "normal" dudes have a chance of getting wifed up.

Most men will never get laid or experience sexual abundance.

But enough are willing to pay for products that promise otherwise, so that content permeates the internet and unfortunately makes up most dudes' "understanding" of how the world works.

That's just the way it is.

 

[maturin]

Such days never existed anywhere, outside of a white-washed reading of history, peddled by The Ayatollahs Of Red Pill Theology on YouTube

Very true. Thank you for ackowleding this. There were no good old days.

There isnt much difference between this modern era and the 1980s other than the delivery systems. I was there. The biggest differences were blue pill theology was king.BP is the root of the disease. White knights acted as enforcers and were every place. These same WK that girls wouldnt give the time of day were the first to jump in to defend their honor to uphold the old code. There were far more duschbags back then. I rarely come across an old school 70s 80s Db these days.

Men never talked about this stuff so we were islands to ourselves. But mostly men lied about their conquests. Women were employing the very same sexual strategies with the old new playbook. Men were clueless. Another thing guys were very eager to be led through the betaization process. Like this was what you were supposed to do. There's a lot more. This is the tip of the iceberg. RP exposed all this. It's a good thing. I figured a lot of it out through getting my head pounded with hundreds of reps and adjusted accordingly. But not completely of course. Most guysjust accepted a sh5tty sex life, all the lies, entered the marriage meat grinder and became stone cold providers and even plow horse.The good RP material systematically spelled it out.

 

[Gamisch]

Very true. Thank you for ackowleding this. There were no good old days.

There isnt much difference between this modern era and the 1980s other than the delivery systems. I was there. The biggest differences were blue pill theology was king.BP is the root of the disease. White knights acted as enforcers and were every place. These same WK that girls wouldnt give the time of day were the first to jump in to defend their honor to uphold the old code. There were far more duschbags back then. I rarely come across an old school 70s 80s Db these days.

Men never talked about this stuff so we were islands to ourselves. But mostly men lied about their conquests. Women were employing the very same sexual strategies with the old new playbook. Men were clueless. Another thing guys were very eager to be led through the betaization process. Like this was what you were supposed to do. There's a lot more. This is the tip of the iceberg. RP exposed all this. It's a good thing. I figured a lot of it out through getting my head pounded with hundreds of reps and adjusted accordingly. But not completely of course. Most guysjust accepted a sh5tty sex life, all the lies, entered the marriage meat grinder and became stone cold providers and even plow horse.The good RP material systematically spelled it out.

Men still pursue the latter.

Men will voluntarily take a woman from a 3rd world shytehole to take on the role of cold provider ,so they can tell their friends about their " wifey".

 

[BaronOfHair]

The best advice I got on this forum was largely related to the Pook and Anti-Dump Machine references that I went down on my own. Whether most men here realize it or not, any time you’re suggesting waiting a couple days to call, doing an active date, calling for 10-15 and then cutting it short, asking her out on weeknights (except Thursday) and not weekends until she’s sealed the deal - you’re referencing to the body of work laid by those two.

Those two, undoubtedly, were the best advice, the fastest and most easily applicable advice, I have used in real life with astonishing success in short order.

The WORST advice, I have ever taken, and I won’t name from who, was to make a list of demands that I THOUGHT I needed, enforce those demands, and in one other case take a hard line stance for the sake of taking a hard line stance - super Red Pill stuff - it destroyed a year’s worth of experience in a matter of days, massive, massive blunder that I am still untangling - friends and family all like WHAT THE FVCK WERE YOU THINKING YOU WERE DOING GREAT WHY WOULD YOU ISSUE AN ULTIMATUM - yes, the caps are that serious, they’re that loud, I still hear about it, I may never live it down

Bottom line guys - you can tell who is following and dishing the former, the field reports and the advice that your little princess is probably not an angel, that it’s just how the world works, that you need to break her back the first time you get the chance - not buy her roses and write her a sonnet - follow that crowd. They want the best for you and they’ll teach you the game

STAY THE FVCK AWAY from the red pill. It won’t just blow your relationship it will destroy your life. It is not how the human condition works and it is massively anti social. You will fail in business, people will not tolerate that. You’ll fail in your own life with your friends and family. You will be a running joke. You will pull your hair out dealing with all the blowback and resentment this stuff causes. Not worth your sanity, and you will lose it thinking ‘next time it’ll go differently’. It won’t. People aren’t wired this way.

And guys, think about it a step further. When it blows up in your face, and it will I promise you, what are you going to blame it on? ‘‘The rational male’’ on YouTube told me this is how I am supposed to ‘maintain frame’??

Say that outloud to yourself in a mirror and envision saying that to anyone in the real world with a straight face. You have no recourse - no way to come back.

I did hallucination therapy I actually spent some time thinking about this place. I break a lot of nice things around here but this is a special place. It’s a good place to get a lot of stuff in focus and if we lose the old heads that carry that wisdom and let the inmates take over, it would really be tragic.

The best advice you can get is always through mentorship and is always free. Nobody is going to charge you or ask you to like or refer out their page or ask you for any sort of compensation. This place is that mentorship. The red pill guys are preying on you. They sell things and they get paid by google ads. They are intentionally sensational. It takes a handful of things to do this and they’re all free : read those books - go out in the world and try it - post a field report - eat some shyt and laugh about it - repeat

thanks for tagging me in buddy. Appreciate you and all the good work and vibes and support around here

Though I'm not a big fan of his music, we could all benefit from remembering these words https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15ptTs2Ttx/

Deep thoughts, which don't desperately try to SOUND smart. Which is the exact opposite out of what one hears out of most Red Pill Ayatollahs

 

[BaronOfHair]

Very true. Thank you for ackowleding this. There were no good old days.

There isnt much difference between this modern era and the 1980s other than the delivery systems. I was there. The biggest differences were blue pill theology was king.BP is the root of the disease. White knights acted as enforcers and were every place. These same WK that girls wouldnt give the time of day were the first to jump in to defend their honor to uphold the old code. There were far more duschbags back then. I rarely come across an old school 70s 80s Db these days.

Men never talked about this stuff so we were islands to ourselves. But mostly men lied about their conquests. Women were employing the very same sexual strategies with the old new playbook. Men were clueless. Another thing guys were very eager to be led through the betaization process. Like this was what you were supposed to do. There's a lot more. This is the tip of the iceberg. RP exposed all this. It's a good thing. I figured a lot of it out through getting my head pounded with hundreds of reps and adjusted accordingly. But not completely of course. Most guysjust accepted a sh5tty sex life, all the lies, entered the marriage meat grinder and became stone cold providers and even plow horse.The good RP material systematically spelled it out.

Everything noted here regarding both Spielberg and Wokeness

is no less true of most preachers who trade in Red Pill Theology. This is all symptomatic of a larger ailment that's vexed our culture since The 90s https://moviesupclose.com/2019/06/09/avengers-endgame-and-the-childishness-of-the-mcu/ We now have decades worth of Americans(heavily influenced by Spielberg, Disney, and later on The Wachowskis)who believe that reality can be distilled down to dichtomies like Good Vs Evil, Blue Pill Vs Red Pill, etc etc

There almost certainly were aspects of the past which were superior for some segments of our society*, aspects which made no difference at all**, and still others that have gotten worse for certain demographics***. The inverse is also true



*Red Pillers are correct when they point out that the average guy from the early 1900s-the early 70s could achieve middle class status via factory work. They also overlook the more grim components of those days: Men frequently died working in those factories, hit the pay ceiling pretty quickly, and saw their bodies destroyed doing that sort of labor. Most didn't move very far up the company ladder either, and relatively few men could afford to travel far beyond the cities and towns they were born in, prior to air fare becoming affordable during the middle of The 1970s

**Does anyone really miss the milkman?

***'16-the present haven't been easy times to be alive for anyone who isn't among the small sliver of the population that's gone Woke(and thus has their views regularly re-inforced by mainstream media, most universities and corporat boardrooms), ESPECIALLY heterosexual men. That said, we're all still mostly enjoying lives which are far more materially comfortable/richer than those of men who lived in all centuries prior

Fellas who survived events like The Mongol Invasions and The Hundred Years War would trade places with us moderns in half a heartbeat. Bemoaning Kathleen Kennedy's treatment of Luke Skywalker on YouTube beats having to hide underneath a pile of corpses comprised of your fellow villagers, lest you also end up flayed alive by the forces of Batu Khan

 

[TheProspect]

Fyi, I promise you @corrector and @GoodMan32 that you guys are at the top of the list. Your days are numbered.

You're not wrong lol.

My point is I wasn't driven away by trolls or incels, it was that all of the threads since SS inception echo the same themes. At a point there's nothing left to say or read and it's just a matter of trial and error in the real world. The wisdom is already in SS and much of it is timeless.

I agree. I feel I have also reached a point where I recognize the echo of the same themes in each thread... To the extent that any advice seeking question I might have I could just get my answer by thinking how I would respond to a new member asking the same question -- and then apply that advice to my own situation with satisfactory results. This is one reason I post less these days.

Another reason I post less is indeed because of the incels... Posting feedback has felt redundant in recent years, either because the new status quo of membership refuses to apply any seasoned advice given, or because the advice I have to share is insight I have already shared previously and also advice that has been shared a countless number of times by others over the last 25 years on this forum.

That being said, things ARE going to change for the better around here. Maybe not today, maybe not even this month, but there will be change coming.


We as moderators cannot really do anything about those who truly outgrow the forum (and good for the people who do, best of luck to them), but we can do something about those who are put off because of the abundance of trolls, incels, and black pill pessimistic members... @The Duke ain't lying: Their days are numbered.

Stay tuned.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Even up until right before the Industrial Revolution, only about half of Europeans had kids that had kids

What's your basis for saying this?

 

[Gamisch]

Though I'm not a big fan of his music, we could all benefit from remembering these words https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15ptTs2Ttx/

Deep thoughts, which don't desperately try to SOUND smart. Which is the exact opposite out of what one hears out of most Red Pill Ayatollahs

Good one let's keep the content on this site though. Here's the post:

 

[Gamisch]

You're not wrong lol.




I agree. I feel I have also reached a point where I recognize the echo of the same themes in each thread... To the extent that any advice seeking question I might have I could just get my answer by thinking how I would respond to a new member asking the same question -- and then apply that advice to my own situation with satisfactory results. This is one reason I post less these days.

Another reason I post less is indeed because of the incels... Posting feedback has felt redundant in recent years, either because the new status quo of membership refuses to apply any seasoned advice given, or because the advice I have to share is insight I have already shared previously and also advice that has been shared a countless number of times by others over the last 25 years on this forum.

That being said, things ARE going to change for the better around here. Maybe not today, maybe not even this month, but there will be change coming.


We as moderators cannot really do anything about those who truly outgrow the forum (and good for the people who do, best of luck to them), but we can do something about those who are put off because of the abundance of trolls, incels, and black pill pessimistic members... @The Duke ain't lying: Their days are numbered.

Stay tuned.

Tbh it's quite difficult to get people to engage with deeper concepts about the game. Makes sense because the game is kinda rigged and dating has changed in ways that we couldn't foresee.

Sosuave.net is the only place where you can freely discuss topics about women and yet sometimes I wished the level of participation was a tad more intelligent and open-minded.

I will keep trying to find unique points to have conversations though.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

What's your basis for saying this?

A basic understanding of history.