Let's Change The World. Seriously.

[New_Journey]

All,

We are here in this corner of the Internet because of common reason, we know about the red pill, truths about dating, truths about what being a man means for society, truths about competition, etc. When times are tough, people who wanna be better look for answers everywhere, even online, and as you know right now times are tough for men and women. There is a saying the pendulum always swings both directions, eventually things will become better and worse again, cause history always repeats itself.

However, we have in our hands the keys to save future generations, we have this forum. Imagine X years from now when things go back to being bad how they are today and lost boys looking for answers online and find this forum.

You might not think is a big deal, but many men have ended their lives because his oneitis left him, and he doesn't have a compass to guide him to do better because he thinks that woman is his life. With the loss of fathers, many boys are lost today with respect to life and love, we should be the pioneers for the future generations in how to regain control of their lives.

For good or bad, we all in here together with our differences.

I propose to every man in here, to work on himself, shed any limiting belief he has, get a better physique, make more money, approach women, eliminate the fear of doing X or Y, leave the defeatist mentality and be an example for future generations, and most importantly, document your field reports in the forum.

To fix the world you first have to fix yourself, we have a fvcking responsibility to fix ourselves in order to fix the world, don't waste this opportunity of doing something good for humanity, even behind a screen you don't know which life of a man you're saving by just leading by example how to do better in life.

Seriously, lets make this forum what it was once before, that future generations will want to trade places with us.

 

[The Duke]

 

[BillyPilgrim]

^ You can't help the world in any significant way unless you're willing to endure ontological shock, which among other things entails realizing the U.S. Military is not a force for good, as Gen. Smeldy Butler detailed in "War Is A Racket" and President Eisenhower did when he warned us about the military-industrial complex in his farewell speech in 1960.

Self-discipline good, war bad.

 

[Plinco]

Seriously, lets make this forum what it was once before, that future generations will want to trade places with us.

I was around here when times on here were better. Here are the two key differences:

1. Attitude: None of this nonsense of being determined by things seemingly outside of your control. There was a push to conform new members to having a 'can do' attitude. This was the background culture that whipped people into shape.

2. Personal experience/observations > "theory" People here were out experiencing life first and foremost. If you weren't doing that, your place here was to ask for help. No theory without experience and no complaining.

 

[Dr.Suave]

The Mods have been talking something along these lines for a while. Basically lets "Make SoSuave Great Again". We are gonna have to make some unpopular desicions (I mean, more than usual. It has always been part of the job).

We are not sure when this forum devolved from being a place where men could get help with women to a place where incels and degenerates came to post their weird stuff and espouse their ideas but that is going to stop moving forward. There are plenty of forums for them, not sure why they feel the need to be here but we are of the firm belief that this is not the place for them.

They aren't seeking help, they don't want solutions to their problems, they just want someone to tell them they are right and the ability to have someone listen to them complain. We are not their therapist and this board should not be the place for that either. The only thing being accomplished by continuing to have these type of posters on the forum is to drive away people who actually want to use the forum for what it's purpose was when it was founded.

If I was on a Football forum and I wanted to talk about Hockey or Basketball, I might not be breaking any "forum rules", but I am clearly not there to discuss what the forum was designed for. It's not as if they have a few posts that are off the rails and we make a rash judgement, it's hundreds of posts over years of time that the same people come up with same excuses and ideas and beliefs that have nothing to do with this forum. They have incel forums and other places where people who want to espouse this garbage can go...let them go do it there, we don't need this here.

Things have come to a point were we need to make a decision whether we want to support the wrong people for the forum that are costing us the right people in many cases or if we want to continue this long slow decline that's been going on for a while now. Trying to be all things for all people leads to being no things for no people. If we do not enforce change then it's just going to continue.

We would like to improve the health of the forum. One of the reasons a lot of good members barely read or participate on the forum anymore is the fact that there's way less threads about how to do it right. Much of the stuff we scroll past looks like "what's wrong with everything" threads, which are mostly not constructive for what this forum is about. There has always been some of that here, but we think the ratio is too much in the negative direction these days.

Right now there are too many whiny men on here. Incels that boo hoo around looking for an ego stroke to black pill men who are done with women. I think we would all like to see this forum back to what it was.

Many of the threads and posts we see as problematic, but still technically within forum rules today are kinda close to the topic of this forum. On the face it may seem like it's on topic and a valid point of discussion, but as we all know, when seen in a wider context of these types of members it becomes quite clear they're not constructive at all.

If you are not here to discuss things for the purpose of the forum, then you are in the wrong place whether or not you are violating rules of the forum. Some of the posters not only are not here for the purpose of the forum, they actively work against that purpose by bringing in this incel stuff, are against any forum of self improvement of accountability and have an excuse for anything that you say towards that.

If this were a forum about football and all they kept posting was that they hate football and never watch it etc, how long do you think before they got the boot? Probably not very long. It's no different. They have no reason to be here because the purpose of the forum differs from what they want to talk about. Plenty of forums for them to discuss this with like minded people, they can go there.

It has come to a point that going forward, in order to participate and have the privilege to post on this forum, in addition to the Forum Rules, it is going to have to be expected that ALL members of the forum either add or receive value from the forum´s posts. The contributions should be meaningful and constructive. Members should apply valuable insight shared with them, or change their perspectives in a meaningful way. Incel behaviours do more harm than good. The argument that they provoke discussion on this forum and give us an opportunity to help pull others away from the black pill is nonsensical... The only consequence we have seen from the black pill content that has oversaturated this forum the past few years is that all the practical gold nugget advice that used to be found abundantly on the forum is now being smothered and bogged down by whining, negativity, and nihilism.

We are not here to coddle internet strangers. We are not their therapists nor responsible if they "don't have anywhere else to go"
Anyone who simultaneously offers no benefit to the forum, nor derives any from it, will be banned because otherwise, WHY ARE THEY HERE?

This forum is a place to get better with women, not a place to whine about how bad and unfair the world is.
We would like for this forum to be more POSITIVE. We don't like negativity, the whining, complaining, and bashing of women.

We are draining the swamp.

 

[Plinco]

The Mods have been talking something along these lines for a while. Basically lets "Make SoSuave Great Again". We are gonna have to make some unpopular desicions (I mean, more than usual. It has always been part of the job).

We are not sure when this forum devolved from being a place where men could get help with women to a place where incels and degenerates came to post their weird stuff and espouse their ideas but that is going to stop moving forward. There are plenty of forums for them, not sure why they feel the need to be here but we are of the firm belief that this is not the place for them.

They aren't seeking help, they don't want solutions to their problems, they just want someone to tell them they are right and the ability to have someone listen to them complain. We are not their therapist and this board should not be the place for that either. The only thing being accomplished by continuing to have these type of posters on the forum is to drive away people who actually want to use the forum for what it's purpose was when it was founded.

If I was on a Football forum and I wanted to talk about Hockey or Basketball, I might not be breaking any "forum rules", but I am clearly not there to discuss what the forum was designed for. It's not as if they have a few posts that are off the rails and we make a rash judgement, it's hundreds of posts over years of time that the same people come up with same excuses and ideas and beliefs that have nothing to do with this forum. They have incel forums and other places where people who want to espouse this garbage can go...let them go do it there, we don't need this here.

Things have come to a point were we need to make a decision whether we want to support the wrong people for the forum that are costing us the right people in many cases or if we want to continue this long slow decline that's been going on for a while now. Trying to be all things for all people leads to being no things for no people. If we do not enforce change then it's just going to continue.

We would like to improve the health of the forum. One of the reasons a lot of good members barely read or participate on the forum anymore is the fact that there's way less threads about how to do it right. Much of the stuff we scroll past looks like "what's wrong with everything" threads, which are mostly not constructive for what this forum is about. There has always been some of that here, but we think the ratio is too much in the negative direction these days.

Right now there are too many whiny men on here. Incels that boo hoo around looking for an ego stroke to black pill men who are done with women. I think we would all like to see this forum back to what it was.

Many of the threads and posts we see as problematic, but still technically within forum rules today are kinda close to the topic of this forum. On the face it may seem like it's on topic and a valid point of discussion, but as we all know, when seen in a wider context of these types of members it becomes quite clear they're not constructive at all.

If you are not here to discuss things for the purpose of the forum, then you are in the wrong place whether or not you are violating rules of the forum. Some of the posters not only are not here for the purpose of the forum, they actively work against that purpose by bringing in this incel stuff, are against any forum of self improvement of accountability and have an excuse for anything that you say towards that.

If this were a forum about football and all they kept posting was that they hate football and never watch it etc, how long do you think before they got the boot? Probably not very long. It's no different. They have no reason to be here because the purpose of the forum differs from what they want to talk about. Plenty of forums for them to discuss this with like minded people, they can go there.

It has come to a point that going forward, in order to participate and have the privilege to post on this forum, in addition to the Forum Rules, it is going to have to be expected that ALL members of the forum either add or receive value from the forum´s posts. The contributions should be meaningful and constructive. Members should apply valuable insight shared with them, or change their perspectives in a meaningful way. Incel behaviours do more harm than good. The argument that they provoke discussion on this forum and give us an opportunity to help pull others away from the black pill is nonsensical... The only consequence we have seen from the black pill content that has oversaturated this forum the past few years is that all the practical gold nugget advice that used to be found abundantly on the forum is now being smothered and bogged down by whining, negativity, and nihilism.

We are not here to coddle internet strangers. We are not their therapists nor responsible if they "don't have anywhere else to go"
Anyone who simultaneously offers no benefit to the forum, nor derives any from it, will be banned because otherwise, WHY ARE THEY HERE?

This forum is a place to get better with women, not a place to whine about how bad and unfair the world is.
We would like for this forum to be more POSITIVE. We don't like negativity, the whining, complaining, and bashing of women.

We are draining the swamp.

I'd like to see a big group of 2000's era quality people on here, and improving the reputation of this forum I think will attract such people. Perhaps having an X account for this forum could be considered in order to get around the shadow censorship, that is, after improving the quality on here.