Lessons learned from my first LTR

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Hello mi amigos,

As I'm sitting here in front of my computer, in more pain than I thought I would or could be, I thought that I would share some of the lessons that I have learned from my first LTR.

First of all, I don't care how much of a DJ that you think you are, when you are in a relationship with someone whom you are in love (or in infatuation) with, you WILL revert back to AFC status.

You might start out as a DJ (whatever that means to you), but once you develop strong feelings for a girl, you'll be back to square one.

There will be a difference though... In most cases, when you behave like an AFC, a little voice in your head will tell you that you're screwing up. Unfortunately, just because you know that what you're doing is not in your best interest does not mean that you'll be able to make the right decision.... Sometimes the emotions are more powerful than the logic. At least though your gut will let you know when you're going in the wrong direction.

Second, even though you'll behave like an AFC, you'll know why the girl is behaving the way she is. Whereas before you might be banging your head against the wall trying to figure out WHY things are going wrong, you'll already know the answer. Of course knowing the cause of the problem does not always mean that you will be able to behave appropriately. But at least you have OPTIONS and you have WISDOM to know why things are happening as they are.

Third, being in love with someone who also has feelings for you will at times take you to the height of ecstasy, and at other times to the depth of despair... sometimes in the same day.

Fourth, when you are in a relationship with someone that you have strong feelings for, all your insecurities will be brought to the surface. It doesn't matter how much you can fake it with girls that you don't give a shyt about... Once you're with someone that actually means something to you and to whom you have strong feelings, expect all your insecurities to surface. And you might be surprised to find out what those insecurities are.

Fifth, it takes WAY less skill to "DJ" a girl that you're in lust with than it does someone you're in love with. When there's little emotion involved, getting a girl to fall head over heels for you is relatively easy. The real test is how you can behave when you're with someone that you find yourself thinking about day and night.

Sixth, whether a girl likes you or not is up to her. Whether she respects you or not is up to you. And if she respects you then you can be the biggest AFC in the world, and she'll still desire you. If she doesn't respect you, then no matter how many games you play, she can never love you.

Seventh, the biggest obstacle in the relationship will be you, not the girl. If you have your act completely together, and you are in control of your emotions, then you don't need control over her or the relationship.

Eighth, it's a lot easier to give up and move on when you find yourself falling for a girl than it is to hang in there through the infatuation phase. But if you leave, you're only running away from a situation that you will eventually have to deal with.

Ninth, just like you're having your own hang ups and issues to deal with, the girl has her own hang ups and issues as well. Just deal with your own shyt... that's the only thing you have control over.

Tenth, using "tactic" or "strategies" will only get you so far. The attitude is WAY more important. If you've got the right attitude, you can behave as a Super AFC, and the girl will be more and more attracted to you. And if you don't have the right attitude, then no matter how many DJ techniques you use, you will only get so far.


It's really amazing... in a span of less than four months, I went from the most confident person I know, back to AFC status. Lately I've found myself cycling from a control freak to a whining boy. I started feeling like shyt about myself, and I couldn't figure out the reason until I told my gf that we need to take two weeks apart from each other.

Not only did the change in my behavior take my by surprise - I mean toward the last month I was definitely NOT my self, I was almost a different person, a person that I am ashamed of. But what also took me by surprise is the pain I'm experiencing in the breakup with my gf, even though I was the one that broke up and even though it is only temporary.

The first day I was sadder than I had been in a long time. And from there, the pain of missing her increased every day. You never feel this way for some random chick, but a chick that you have strong feelings for... well that's a different story.

I had no idea that I would miss her so much, or that the pain would be so strong. Unfortunately, I told her that we need to take two weeks apart, so no matter how much I want to call her, I won't. Once you say something, you have to follow through, no matter how much pain you have to experience.

Does this post even make sense? I have no idea. I'm just rambling. Sorry guys, have a good night.

MotU
 

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This post makes a lot of sense. Remember there is a bigger picture. Everything is not bad in the world. Most of us have been in a similar position at some time...depressed as can be...barely able to eat or sleep. But it does pass, and it inevitably makes you a little tougher and and a little wiser.

It's another learning experience like all your other field reports. The next time you're in this situation, you might not act exactly as you hope...but you will approach it different than this time. You continue to grow and get better at each step.

It's all good, man. Hang in there. Nobody has it all figured out.
 

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Thank you. And well done

You have a very good awareness of your own situation. This means the only thing you have left to do is be strong and stick to what you think you should do (i know how difficult this is. but i also know its definitely do-able and worth the effort).

Thank you for sharing this. I'm sure many of us will benefit from it.

If you need help I think you'd have to come into details as to why you decided to break up with her temporarily.
 

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MOTU, is this the same girl I think it is? I am surprised.

I have a few questions:

1. How old is she?

2. Have you fvcked her?

3. Did/does she claim to be a virgin? If so, how did she handle your advances for sex? What was her policy on sex and how does she view it?

4. Why did you break up with her? Was it because you didn't like the person YOU had become?

5. How did she take the break-up? How did you HOPE she would take the break-up? Were you secretly hoping for a specific reaction? Did you get it?

Thanks,

Jake
 

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MOTU,

I'm writing this becuse I find myself all of a sudden in an LTR and kind of find myself all over the place because of my lack of experience in this domain. Man, I've slept with 25 girls in my life, and yet my new LTR with a very sweet, sincere, and honest girl had me really scared.

I remember you replying to a thread I made about ltr's, me wanting to know when the game playing stops. Different guys on this board gave many different opinions, ranging from "it never stops", to "in order for the relationship to grow, you just have to let go"..I still find myself confused at times, and have come to the recent conclusion that relationships, like everything else in life, are about balance. Read Tesuque's reply to my thread, as I remember you saying clearly that it would be of use to you in your LTR..concernign your situation...

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you felt yourself reverting back to your "dark days" during your LTR, I would just simply say that I don't think you were ready for an LTR..which is OK, seeing that maybe you realize it now and have come to grips with yourself. Maybe you should take this time to work on yourself and make sure completely before you head into any more LTR's that you most definitely have your act together and are truly playing your role in this world as the man you are.

Conversely, if you remember Tesuque's advice, you'll take note that he says that if you just let yourself "go" in the relationship and drop all the techniques, you'll sometimes revert back to AFC dom. The catch is, if you know you're a DJ deep down, you can catch yourself making these blunders and "self correct" when necessary. A DJ has choice my friend, unlike all those AFC's who feel compelled to make what he knows, is just the wrong move.

If you feel you didn't have a choice in your relationship, then I definitely think it was a great idea for you to take a break. Again, work on yourself, get your confidence back, achieve MORE confidence, and then attack your next LTR like the man you truly are.

Good luck.
 

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Originally posted by Jake Steed
MOTU, is this the same girl I think it is? I am surprised.

I have a few questions:

1. How old is she?

2. Have you fvcked her?

3. Did/does she claim to be a virgin? If so, how did she handle your advances for sex? What was her policy on sex and how does she view it?

4. Why did you break up with her? Was it because you didn't like the person YOU had become?

5. How did she take the break-up? How did you HOPE she would take the break-up? Were you secretly hoping for a specific reaction? Did you get it?

Thanks,

Jake
Good questions Jake. I am too interested in these answers. I am presuming this was the Spanish chick yeah?

Also MOTU it is wierd sometimes isnt it, you feel as if you have lost yourself somehow in the relationship. I still cant figure out what that is about, it is like I need to be single to be myself. When I get serious with a girl, as you say, all your insecurities come to surface, and you spend so much time and compromise with them that you seem to loose your personal identity! Guess it is just the wrong relationship (girl) when this happens! That or you have to sort yourself out totally, because you are too insecure with yourself to be truly ready for a long term commited relationship.

I was the same as you before my relationships, I was unstoppable, the woman were flocking around me and my life was just a dream, I was the man, and invincible. After the relationship I realised a lot of things and had grown up a lot. I realised all this confidence, and this cool, calm and collected character I used to be was just a front, and when I faced tougher times and harder challenges I fell apart. Guess you need these kind of things to grow and become truly confident with yourself.
 

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lol - no shyt? Well aint that a turn up for the books :)

Welcome to the real world :D
 

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MoTU, it doesnt make yourself any more or less of a DJ because you loved and lost, so to speak.

if anything this whole process is making you more of a DJ becuase you are finding out more about yourself.
 

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"Sixth, whether a girl likes you or not is up to her. Whether she respects you or not is up to you. And if she respects you then you can be the biggest AFC in the world, and she'll still desire you. If she doesn't respect you, then no matter how many games you play, she can never love you."

How did you come to this conclusion? What specific experience?
 

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MOTU,

One more thing to note. Do not try to convince yourself that being in love equates being a babbling, self loathing, needy AFC.

It if were, what's the point of this board? What's the point of realizing your true potential as a man? Just to become dominated and emasculated as soon as u meet a girl you fall in love with?

NO WAY!

What you were experiencing in your lapse as an AFC was NOT OF HER DOING. It was ALWAYS ALL ABOUT YOU, and you simply lost control of yourself, your emotions, and maybe the relationship in the end (I too would love an update).

Like the other guys said, do not ignore or denounce this experience as a failure. If anything, this has been a period of self reflection for you and you should embrace it and utilize it in your quest to become a man. A man who can both love a woman, and most importantly, himself.
 

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1 - 10 Total agreement with you MOTU

Been there, done that and have a few T-Shirts to show for it.
 

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Strangely enough,you've just described the feelings that I've been experiencing for the last three months with stunning accuracy. The thing that seems most significant to me is how difficult it becomes to jump ship even when you realize you're unhappy. Early on in the relationship (the attraction phase, if you will) it seems like all that's needed for me to dismiss a girl is a funny look.

-Oleo
 

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This is bull**** MOTU, stop this bro.


Yes, you do mellow a bit with a girl, but the FVCKING POINT IS NOT TO MELLOW TO AFC STATUS.

You act exactly the same way you did before u were dating! You decided that changing for a girl would be a GREAT IDEA! well, look where it brought u.


YOU STICK TO YOUR BELIEFS, and your ideas! YES you do LIKE her, but SHE ISNT EVERYTHING TO YOU! I have expereicned something to this sort just 2 weeks ago...

If u bend over for a girl, you might as well kiss your ass good bye.
 

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Realest post I've come across all day

I'm in an LTR right now and I know how you're feeling. It's funny how time can make a girl go from an 8 to a sudden 10. And it's true, you have to be in control of yourself.

You didn't babble as much as you think you did, it was clear to me and I'm guessing many people can relate to you.

You need to keep your life and principles. Hold on to it. Never sacrifice anything unneccessary just for the sake of a girl. Ever. That's a lesson I learned, and lately, I've been trying to get back.

In an LTR, once you get mushy with her for any longer than 2 straight weeks, she'll think something is wrong when you stop saying it the third week. She'll think you're inconsistent. So guys, always make sure that you have your life, never give up that power, because once you do, she expects it. Once you give up going to a party just to keep her from becoming jealous that you're dancing, she expects you to do it all the time. Remember that.
 

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Sorry to hear about that bud. Hang in there.

I sometimes say that you should do whatever you can to not fall in love with a girl. Why would I say that? Love is one of the greatest human emotions.

But the problem with love, infatuation, whatever you want to call it, is that guys who are in love invariably do the wrong things. You noted some of that yourself.

While it is more or less impossible to control, guys who can maintain an even keel with this emotion invariably do the things that keeps his woman attracted and her interest level rising.

If you want to compromise a little with this thought, you can try Doc Love's principle that you should always keep your interest level lower than hers. You can be at 80% in love if she is at 90%.

But Doc also says to protect your heart. I interpret that to mean its just better to not fall in love at all. What's wrong with just really liking a girl and having fun instead, especially when that course of action just leads to her liking you more and you having more fun. Its also better if you two break up because then you can then move on from the relationship with less hurt.

But it is really a moot point. Its hard as hell to keep your interest level down when the girl is really special.

Just hang in there, MOTU. Wait out the two weeks and see what happens. Keep your options open unless you think the door should be locked tight. Take the time to work on backing off of your feelings for her as well.
 

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Get Laid bootcamp is on :cool:, gentlemen. **** yeah, lets go **** the bithces, those ungrateful *****s, lets show them who's their daddy, *****s, miserable mother****ing ******x lovers. Swallow it *****!



Again, please remember, all these insults are unfounded, they arent really meant to insult the females.
 

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Go dig up AD's posts. (You will know everything you need to know for LTR)

u will realize that your thinking is wrong and that you didn't do anything wrong. You did not revert to 'afc'. Your idea of a DJ is upside down.

The woman was just incompatible with you. that's all, you can't expect to be compatible with EVERY women out there on a LTR level.
 

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after a second read, I see you are in good hands here minus one or two replies.

You will be back on your feet in no time. I'm not worried.
 

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I just wanted to bump this..

so fukkin true...:( ;)

all of it.
 
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