Left me hanging.

[Konada]

Was this a first date? If it was, I'll be going against the grain and say that you missed out. Strike while the iron is hot (or even luke-warm) because it's much easier to raise and maintain IL in person than it is over text messaging.

You CANNOT teach a woman lessons if she's not already invested in you. What did she gain? The continued freedom to choose another guy who will strike when the iron is hot. What did you gain? Another continued string of intimate nights with your hand.

I cannot count how many times I've been able to turn a luke-warm chick into one who's totally obsessed with me simply by sacrificing the typical "rules" that are preached on this site, especially when I'm dating somebody new. If this chick was pulling this kind of garbage in the second month, then I'd agree that getting rid of her was in your best interest. But in the beginning, this chick knows little to nothing about you and is going to be naturally intimidated by dating a new guy. You need to take her out, elevate, and break the physical and sexual barriers which will only make her more excited to see you.

You cannot be at the top of a woman's world when you're starting at the bottom, so quit acting like you're at the top.

While I am inclined to agree, I know she has been on her phone for the entire 3 days she went ghost after I sent the message "Wine is great...etc..etc". In my experience, chicks who have even luke-warm interest will at least reply to the message and not leave you hanging for the period of 3 days with plans still up in the air. She didn't even accept the date until this morning.

 

[Desdinova]

While I am inclined to agree, I know she has been on her phone for the entire 3 days she went ghost after I sent the message "Wine is great...etc..etc". In my experience, chicks who have even luke-warm interest will at least reply to the message and not leave you hanging for the period of 3 days with plans still up in the air. She didn't even accept the date until this morning.

So why are you entitled to immediate text responses? If this chick barely knows you, you haven't earned her interest nor investment. You cannot expect a woman to treat you with respect simply because you're a man. She will respect you when she realizes that you're a REAL man, but you need to spend time with a woman for her to realize this. At this particular moment in time, you're just another average guy but you show potential. Remember that she's been on dates with AFCs before you who bored the 5hit out of her and drowned her with compliments and attention. That is what women come to expect in the early dating stages, and you're no exception. You need to stand out among the AFCs before you, but again you need to actually spend time with her. The only way to do that is to make a few exceptions in the beginning.

The beginning of any relationship is full of uncertainty and women are no exceptions to feeling that. Her emotions are going to be jumping all over the place and she'll respond to a date request when her emotions are sitting on the more positive side of the scale. Dates are intimidating to women because they don't want to be disappointed again. She needs to go over all the positive and negative thoughts and emotions floating around in her head before giving you a response. A woman who's already invested time with you doesn't have this going on and will give you a more immediate response. Aggravating her during this period of contemplation is likely to sway you to the negative side of her thoughts which is why you leave the ball in her court for a response.

Because you weren't flexible and scolded her for a delayed response (while she was going through all the positives and negatives floating in her mind), she'll just categorize you with the negatives and come to the conclusion that she avoided wasting her time with you.

 

[SamTheHobit]

Was this a first date? If it was, I'll be going against the grain and say that you missed out. Strike while the iron is hot (or even luke-warm) because it's much easier to raise and maintain IL in person than it is over text messaging.

You CANNOT teach a woman lessons if she's not already invested in you. What did she gain? The continued freedom to choose another guy who will strike when the iron is hot. What did you gain? Another continued string of intimate nights with your hand.

I cannot count how many times I've been able to turn a luke-warm chick into one who's totally obsessed with me simply by sacrificing the typical "rules" that are preached on this site, especially when I'm dating somebody new. If this chick was pulling this kind of garbage in the second month, then I'd agree that getting rid of her was in your best interest. But in the beginning, this chick knows little to nothing about you and is going to be naturally intimidated by dating a new guy. You need to take her out, elevate, and break the physical and sexual barriers which will only make her more excited to see you.

You cannot be at the top of a woman's world when you're starting at the bottom, so quit acting like you're at the top.

Hmm, yes.

Guys here far to often call it quits with a girl when they meet a little resistance, especially early on.

 

[pyros]

In my experience if a girl shows that tiny interest it leads with 95% chance nowhere.

She took THREE DAYS to reply. WTf is that?
She probably just texted him cause she had nothing better to do that night, and had she agreed to a date, I am pretty sure she would have flaked on him if just one of her gfs suddlenly called her to do whatever.

Yes, he could have agreed to see her but it was clear she had little to zero interest in him.
Do you believe in miracles? well, if you do, then you might be lucky in a scenario like this.

In my experience you cannot turn lukewarms girls in girls that are really into you, it is an uphill batlte the huge majority of the time.


P.S.

She is forgetful when she has to reply? HAHHAHAHAHAHA, what da f is that?? lmao...
See? she doesnt just have almost zero interest in OP, she even makes fun of him treating him as if he was stupid. Hhahahaha...
Also, when he said he already made plans it didnt even faze her a bit.
When a woman doesnt respect you she doesnt like you either.

 

[Tictac]

The messages she's sending are clear - you occupy no space in her head.

If they don't reply, it's because they'd rather be dry cleaning their shoe laces than responding to you.

 

[stevo]

So why are you entitled to immediate text responses? If this chick barely knows you, you haven't earned her interest nor investment. You cannot expect a woman to treat you with respect simply because you're a man.

Des, not sure about your last post.

3 days to respond, that's what he should be entitled to?

She has to show enough IL by taking you serious to even qualify to meet you but your advise is for him to qualify himself to her completing ignoring his qualifications of her, who's the price?

I keep saying it, I'd rather lose a low interest girl than get emotionally invested in a cycle of mind fcukery.

OP for the first two months, hold on to your guns, do not compromise for sheet. Anti-Dump nailed this! It will not get you every girl you like but it will get you a girl worth something.

She will respect you when she realizes that you're a REAL man, but you need to spend time with a woman for her to realize this.

At first glance, every girl thinks the guy they like is a real man.
If you dont make her pussie tingle from first meet, you just dont.

You do not prove you're a real man.
There's no proving. You are, or you aren't.

007 doesnt "prove" he's a real man, he just is. He does what He does. Real men do what real men do.



OP, your last response was perfect, do not invest more than she does, ever.

If you start making exceptions in the beginning, you'll continue chipping off your value and peace of mind making exceptions.

We don't beg for dates, if she's too busy to confirm a date, she should remain busy while OP continue life with girls who have time for him.

 

[Desdinova]

3 days to respond, that's what he should be entitled to?

Of course not. He's not entitled to anything because they haven't fvcked or become exclusive. There's no point in judging the 3 days of no response. The problem is he's giving too much of a 5hit about this woman to judge her harshly on her actions which are not indicative of a red flag. You can't judge a woman you know nearly nothing about.

You do not prove you're a real man.
There's no proving. You are, or you aren't.

Agreed. Notice that I did not say he had to prove it. She simply doesn't realize it because she's barely spent any time with him.

She has to show enough IL by taking you serious to even qualify to meet you but your advise is for him to qualify himself to her completing ignoring his qualifications of her, who's the price?

Why should he disqualify her for simply behaving like a woman? If a woman's natural behaviour is a disqualification in itself, then the OP should either become eternally celibate or take interest in those of the same sex, and I highly doubt that's what he's aiming for.

I keep saying it, I'd rather lose a low interest girl than get emotionally invested in a cycle of mind fcukery.

This woman does not have low interest. She has fluctuating medium interest. If she had low interest, she wouldn't have asked him if they were still on for tonight. Instead, she would have promptly thrown him in the friend zone after he asked her out.

There is no "mind fvckery" going on here. She is simply being a woman and taking her time going over what she thinks and feels about him.

She said this for a reason:

Sorry for the late reply, I'm so forgetful when it comes to replying.

She wasn't playing games here. She was trying to redeem herself because she took so long to think about going out with him. A woman responding to a first date can be likened to a woman picking something off a menu in a restaurant. She'll sit there forever looking and thinking over everything on it and then say "I can't decide". She's looking for something that really jolts her emotions in one direction. Unless the OP has interacted with her many times before asking her out, she's not going to get that sudden jolt of emotion that screams "YES! ACCEPT THE DATE!" He needs more time to build more rapport and break down barriers, and she invited him to do so.

At first glance, every girl thinks the guy they like is a real man.
If you dont make her pussie tingle from first meet, you just dont.

A woman's interest is NOT constant from the first day. She may develop interest immediately, or she may develop interest later on. Her interest could also drop and then go back up. A man's interest is more likely to remain constant if she's either physically attractive or butt fvcking ugly.

If you start making exceptions in the beginning, you'll continue chipping off your value and peace of mind making exceptions.

You have very little value in the beginning. You need to make exceptions in order for her to see more value. Once she sees you as genuinely valuable, that's when you quit sacrificing and gain respect.

 

[Konada]

Konada--simply put...when opportunity knocks, you open the door.

At times hotties will go ghost then reappear out of nowhere...they do this because they can.But who cares why they do it?

She reached out to you and comfirmed the date. Best reaction would have been to wait an hour or two then text back: "Yep see you tonight." Keep a Plan B on hand--doublebooking dates is a great Plan B...but plan on doing ANYTHING you enjoy...just in case the date falls down...

But in my opinion when they reach out to confirm, you've got a 99.9999999% chance that you've got a nice fish on the line.

My advice: Text her right now...and invite her to meet you. Tell her when/where. Be specific.

If she denies the invite, wait until December 3rd and invite her again.

Well I had actual plans tonight with another chick...

@deesade : I just made a realization after reading Des' posts. Its all about confidence persistence, its a buyer's market and our value will not be shown until we meet in person. That is where a DJ has the power to shift the dynamic into his favor. So what if we fail, its a learning experience how to get better for the next one. Our egos far too often are in the way to allow us to evolve into higher beings of men.

 

[Konada]

See BOTH chicks today...if your date is scheduled tonight at 7, see the other one at 5...or at 9...and see them both at the same restaurant/bar...rotate them in and out.

It's already 11pm here lol.

 

[Konada]

Left her alone until this afternoon where I shot her a message:

Me: Definitely had fun last night. Was your night fun (possibly illegal)?
HB8: Hahaha. It was fun, watcha doing now?
<2 hours later>
HB8: Since you stay so near, do you wanna hang out? I'm bored.
Me: Kinda busy studying for an exam. I'm heading to xxx later for a drink at 930pm, join me if you want

Funny how confident persistence pays off.

 

[pyros]

you shouldn't have said you were bored.

what paid off...?
so you're gonna meet her AND HER FRIENDS. Nice...


This girl has game? she is just a hot chick with lots of options, that is not game, that is her reality which she just got cause she's pretty. She did not have to learn anything, do anything, etc. She doesn't know **** about social dynamics, red flags, hypergamy...nothing at all.

Anyway, she is not into OP.

 

[Konada]

you shouldn't have said you were bored.


what paid off...?
so you're gonna meet her AND HER FRIENDS. Nice...

Lol...who said about meeting her friends? I invited her out for a drink ALONE. If she brings friends then byebye.

 

[pyros]

<2 hours later>
HB8: Since you stay so near, do you wanna hang out? I'm bored.
Me: Kinda busy studying for an exam. I'm heading to xxx later for a drink at 930pm, join me if y

sounds to me like she's going there to meet her friend/s and you can JOIN them. lol.

 

[Konada]

Maybe when you learn some basic reading skills I will try to reply you.

 

[Yewki]

Was this a first date? If it was, I'll be going against the grain and say that you missed out.
...
You cannot be at the top of a woman's world when you're starting at the bottom, so quit acting like you're at the top.

Lack of interest is no excuse for discourteous behavior.

So I guess it comes down to how desperate you are. I find such behavior a turn off, if I was the OP I personally wouldn't have been interested anymore. Yeah, you can't expect a girl to have high interest without meeting you... but, do you really care about some girl who leaves you hanging for 3 days only to get back to you the day of?

Also the way she responded when the OP told her he made others plan, "Hehehe ok enjoy your night then!" ... meh, do not want.

 

[G_Govan]

You seem like her play thing and not in a good way.

I've never had to "build attraction" with a chick. She's either game to hang out and see what develops or not. I look for signs of reciprocation, if there are none I pull back.

I'll always initiate as that's my job as a man but I never engage in a perpetual one-sided chase. Women who are interested in you will find ways to be with you or at the very least, facilitate situations that are conducive to your making moves. They want it to happen, they're eager to experience it.

When they add in a little playful resistance it's like the cherry on top (key word is playful, not b-tch shield, LMR, etc.).