Just met someone off Seeking Arrangement...

[MatureDJ]

Prostitutes are simply women who like (or tolerate) sex and have factored in the net cash transfer as part of the experience. Women looking for a sexual experience and that are able to get over the prostitution thing seek to maximize the utility of the experience. Is having sex with an attractive man without cash worth more than having sex with much less attractive man plus $250? For the OP, obviously the answer is the latter. Then only way that the OP could have sex with a certain woman without paying anything is if there is not a more attractive man offering to have sex with that woman, so she would need to be ugly enough so that the attractive man says "I'm not going to hit that", and for a lot of men, we really need to start scraping the bottom of the barrel to achieve that.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Prostitutes are simply women who like (or tolerate) sex and have factored in the net cash transfer as part of the experience. Women looking for a sexual experience and that are able to get over the prostitution thing seek to maximize the utility of the experience. Is having sex with an attractive man without cash worth more than having sex with much less attractive man plus $250? For the OP, obviously the answer is the latter. Then only way that the OP could have sex with a certain woman without paying anything is if there is not a more attractive man offering to have sex with that woman, so she would need to be ugly enough so that the attractive man says "I'm not going to hit that", and for a lot of men, we really need to start scraping the bottom of the barrel to achieve that.

Actually, lots of attractive girls have found me attractive.

I bet I'm better looking than you.

Also, I think you're missing the fact that exchanging sex for resources is THE NORM throughout the entire history of our species.

 

[AJ84]

You mentioned that you want to have normal interactions with girls, that you are angry at girls, and in your above post you state that exchanging sex for resources is the norm. Nowhere did I see anything about mutual respect, mutual attraction, emotional connection, or friendship. If you see dating as a commodity exchange then yes it will be difficult for you to have normal interactions with women and have those long conversations you see couples having. You will be stuck in a loop of exchanging money for sex, with women who accept money for sex ( who are not wife or future mother of your children material). The longer you stay in this loop, the harder it will be for you to form a normal relationship with a woman.

Get out of that mindset, find a hobby, join a group with the same hobby, and find normal women so that you can see for yourself that it's not all about exchanging sex for something tangible. Seriously get out there and mingle. With a hobby group conversation will be less stressful because you have a topic to discuss, the hobby. From there you can get used to talking about other things.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Actually, lots of attractive girls have found me attractive.

I bet I'm better looking than you.

Also, I think you're missing the fact that exchanging sex for resources is THE NORM throughout the entire history of our species.

Yep, his physical appearance might not be what it is at ALL! Women are notoriously herd creatures. Richard might not be part of circles or groups having success with the ladies.

 

[skinnyguy]

You mentioned that you want to have normal interactions with girls, that you are angry at girls, and in your above post you state that exchanging sex for resources is the norm. Nowhere did I see anything about mutual respect, mutual attraction, emotional connection, or friendship. If you see dating as a commodity exchange then yes it will be difficult for you to have normal interactions with women and have those long conversations you see couples having. You will be stuck in a loop of exchanging money for sex, with women who accept money for sex ( who are not wife or future mother of your children material). The longer you stay in this loop, the harder it will be for you to form a normal relationship with a woman.

Get out of that mindset, find a hobby, join a group with the same hobby, and find normal women so that you can see for yourself that it's not all about exchanging sex for something tangible. Seriously get out there and mingle. With a hobby group conversation will be less stressful because you have a topic to discuss, the hobby. From there you can get used to talking about other things.

I agree with most of what you said. The problem is that 99% of the "normal" girls are in a LTR. I've dated plenty of women who have normal jobs and many of them wanted me to pay for everything without giving up something like sex in return. Arguably the normal girls are worse because they make you wait months for sex and even still it's not guaranteed.

I don't support prostitution but I can see why SA would be a good option. To say that some women aren't gold diggers is a huge lie. I've met some Indian girls who are highly educated and all they wanted to know about me was what my occupation was.

 

[MatureDJ]

Actually, lots of attractive girls have found me attractive.

I bet I'm better looking than you.

Also, I think you're missing the fact that exchanging sex for resources is THE NORM throughout the entire history of our species.

Well, evidently, you are not attractive enough to have women have sex with you as strictly an amateur. Whether you are more attractive than me is irrelevant; that said, since I am short and even though I am considered "cute" by a lot of women (so they tell me), you probably are more attractive, since short is very ugly.

 

[AJ84]

I agree with most of what you said. The problem is that 99% of the "normal" girls are in a LTR. I've dated plenty of women who have normal jobs and many of them wanted me to pay for everything without giving up something like sex in return. Arguably the normal girls are worse because they make you wait months for sex and even still it's not guaranteed.

I don't support prostitution but I can see why SA would be a good option. To say that some women aren't gold diggers is a huge lie. I've met some Indian girls who are highly educated and all they wanted to know about me was what my occupation was.

I never said that some women aren't gold diggers. I'm saying he should not limit all of his interactions to just gold diggers, which lets face it is what seeking arrangements is all about. There's a documentary online somewhere featuring young women from that website. All educated, all looking for a guy to pay off their student loans, cars, pay rent etc have fancy dinners, concerts, sporting events etc. All had little to no interest in the men they met because they knew that most of them were married, it wasn't going to lead anywhere so they didn't invest any emotion into it, and they acknowledged that it was basically prositition. One was actually put off by men sexually objectifying her, like she just beamed down from another planet, landed on the website, and had no concept of human sexual behaviour. Now, it was just a few women featured but I wonder if their views reflect the general view of other women on seeking arrangements. Maybe? It certianly reflects the views of gold diggers.

I'm not saying he should get off the site. Have the SA sex, but continue to seek a normal male female relationship where's there's a genuine mutual interest that can lead to something real, like the wife and kids he says he wants.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I never said that some women aren't gold diggers. I'm saying he should not limit all of his interactions to just gold diggers, which lets face it is what seeking arrangements is all about. There's a documentary online somewhere featuring young women from that website. All educated, all looking for a guy to pay off their student loans, cars, pay rent etc have fancy dinners, concerts, sporting events etc. All had little to no interest in the men they met because they knew that most of them were married, it wasn't going to lead anywhere so they didn't invest any emotion into it, and they acknowledged that it was basically prositition. One was actually put off by men sexually objectifying her, like she just beamed down from another planet, landed on the website, and had no concept of human sexual behaviour. Now, it was just a few women featured but I wonder if their views reflect the general view of other women on seeking arrangements. Maybe? It certianly reflects the views of gold diggers.

I'm not saying he should get off the site. Have the SA sex, but continue to seek a normal male female relationship where's there's a genuine mutual interest that can lead to something real, like the wife and kids he says he wants.

I'm not sure that "normal male female relationship" actually exists.

Throughout history, marriages have been based on the husband providing.

 

[AJ84]

Self defeating mindset loop. Stuck in it. All the best to you, I hope you eventually snap out of it and find what you are looking for. Signing off from this thread now.