Just bought some protein mix. How to make the best of it?

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I think I read somewhere you're suppoused to consume about twice your body weight in grams of protein. I way a little less than 150 lbs, so should I be taking 300grams of protein everyday? This stuff I bought is about 50 grams in every scoop. Does that sound about right?

Is there anything else I should know about this stuff? This would be my first time trying it. I signed up for weights class at school. None of the other kids really bring protein or shakes to class, so would I be a little weird bringing this stuff to school? Are you suppoused to drink it rightbefore working out. Or does it not matter? I'm kinda small dude compared to the kids in my school, I wanna bulk up.

Any tips/advice very much appreciated it.
 

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Have you read around on the valut or anything? Do you have a goal or something? Its like someone saying yeah uhhh i got this wood here i'm taking a house building class what should i do with it?

Gotta provide us with more. What are you looking to achieve here?
 

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Hi, I just recently started buying whey protein about 4 weeks ago and I just mix it with milk in my water bottle. Now just be careful with milk because it will start to stink and curdle unless you clean it after maybe 6-8 hrs. If you take it to work/school just get a solid colored water bottle if you don't want people asking you what the stuff is. Usually I take it after my workout, I'm not sure if it really matters though. There should be instructions on the label of the protein container so you can see how much grams per scoop.

If your getting food from your parents like me (since I live at home) you probably won't get your 300g of protein a day. So you may have to buy some protein rich foods with your own money. My parents were on vacation and I was left to feed myself and I decided to try tuna straight from the can with a bit of mayo on top. Turns out its fast/cheap and tastes alright. (30grams per can)

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Google that sh*t. Dont buy stuff if you dont even know what youre suppose to do with it. Im about to buy some protein as well, along with a heap load of other supps. Im going to have 2 shakes a day with 2 scoops in each (24g of protein in a scoop). You should be getting most of your protein from food. Tell your parents to buy you some meat, chicken, fish (salmon), eggs and all of that good stuff. Theres a post here about what NFL players eat, find it...then figure out what youre trying to achieve.
 

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Scars and Mage... Do some reading, and figure this all out first. Its like EFFORT said I have this wood, and what do I do with it.

First off, forget the whole 2g of protein deal. Seriously, you'll hear that preached, forget it. Get your 1g/lb or even 1.25g per pound and you'll be fine. One day I had 1.3g per pound, and here is my thing. I dont count protein during the day that much. In fact I go by % almost. Now because my calories are very high, I get 1g or over, but I dont sit here every day and go... Oh crap, I have to get 2g in per day, or even 1.5g. I know i'll get at least what I need with my meal planning, and somedays yeah, it is higher cause I might end up having more meat than another or extra milk, or cottage cheese or what not.

People fret way too much on that topic.

Then what happens, is that people forget the rest of the equation.

Protein alone will NOT do you any good without the rest. Sure, you'll sustain life and the protein will do what it needs to do for your body, and then you'll use the rest as fuel, but if you dont get the rest together, it wont do what it is supposed too.

I've said it once and i'll say it 100 times again. Why doesn't anyone talk about carbs and fat too? You know why? Cause their brains are too focused on protein. Then what happens? Dude... I take in like 300g of protein per day, i'm a 150lbs and nothing is happening. I wonder why.

If your 150lbs and you take in 1-1.25g/lb and your carbs are right, and your fat is right, I can almost guarantee you that if you bump it up to the 2g you wont see crap, and if you see anything at all, and weight, it will only be because you ended up getting more calories in period.

Protein alone just doesnt make the muscle go crazy and grow like a weed, and I wish people would take a class in exercise physiology or something and get the whole scoop. Where your average person fails is the whole picture. Like I said to another poster.... Yeah, you'll need that 2g of protein cause you'll need it to convert into glucose for fuel instead of repairing muscle cause your carbs aren't going to keep you fueled. HUGE problem for your average person that doesn't understand or wont take the time to understand.

Mage... Your protein shouldn't be setting for 6-8 hours to curdle. Not sure what that is all about, and if you dont wash your cup or shaker out, but you shouldn't be letting it set. If you have too, put the power in, and add water or milk later.

And yes, get most your protein from food if you can.
 

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I bought the same Stuff Mage. I have the Whey Protein mix.

What all do you guys want/need to know? I understand it's not all about protein, I mean I have read a lot of into this.. I just kind of want a refresh to memory. I know diet has lot to do with it. How many carbs/fats a day do you think I should be getting along with my protein? My goal isnt really to lose any weight in the process.. because I am a skinny dude. I would rather just put on some muscle mass as quick as possible. My "goal" or what to "acheive" is to get bigger. I want to see more mass on my muscles and I want to see them more defined. And what did you mean by "rest". I don't work out the same groups of muscles twice in a row.. I let them rest. I know all about rest.. the body needs it for the muscles to grow..
 

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Yes Omen I did fail to mention balance/consistency is the main thing to keep in mind when weight/fitness training. I think the reason many people (like me) concentrate and think about protein the most is that the formula that most people preach on this site is simple to remember and understand... 1.5-2grams of protein per lb of weight... see simple. If there is a formula for fat and carbs please enlighten us less knowledgeable people! (or maybe I'll search for it)

Also about the milk thing, I was just saying that if you mix with milk and after you drink it make sure to wash it out right away so it does not stink.

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Scars said:
I bought the same Stuff Mage. I have the Whey Protein mix.

What all do you guys want/need to know? I understand it's not all about protein, I mean I have read a lot of into this.. I just kind of want a refresh to memory. I know diet has lot to do with it. How many carbs/fats a day do you think I should be getting along with my protein? My goal isnt really to lose any weight in the process.. because I am a skinny dude. I would rather just put on some muscle mass as quick as possible. My "goal" or what to "acheive" is to get bigger. I want to see more mass on my muscles and I want to see them more defined. And what did you mean by "rest". I don't work out the same groups of muscles twice in a row.. I let them rest. I know all about rest.. the body needs it for the muscles to grow..
First off, it will depend on each person. I cant give you an exact number for what you will need caloric wise per day to grow. That is something you'll have to tweak, and try out and see what works for you. You'll have to find the right amount of calories to grow, and go from there. I can say eat 3,000cal but you may need 4,000cal, or I can say eat 4,000 and you may need 3,000cal. Experiment is what you'll need to do.

Be careful of the "I want to get mass quick" deal. You'll only grow so quick without the use of a controlled substance.

If you signed up for weights class I assume it will be your first time lifting, or really getting into it.

My advice is to see what works for YOU. Let me point something out, and make this clear. Depending on where you go to school, some people who teach weight classes are total MORONS. I am saying this from experience. We had a guy teach a class like that in our fitness center on campus, and he did so many things wrong, we cringed. He was a Biology student, he taught wrong (or should I say he didnt even teach) and people were only HURTING themselves and getting know where. We tried to get the guy canned, but he's almost done anyway, so we dont mess with it. TOTALLY not qualified in any sense to be teaching, but that's how it is, and if I had my way i'd strangle the professor that keeps hiring him.

So first off, if your teacher in school, whether it be high school or college doesn't know their head from their butt, stick around and you'll get some good exercise advice here.

This is the same problem with coaches. Just cause someone is a coach at a school for football or any sport doesn't mean they know how to lift or know the extent of things people do who are certified as well as have degrees.

I've heard coaches tell people in a high school that carb loading is eating a bowl of pasta before a game :mad: Not even close. But since they are coaches, they seem to think they have it all figured out. Some are good, some just totally suck. At the same time too, some schools cant afford to hire people who specialize in exercise, and sports, or athletic trainers. There are only a few high schools around that pay the bucks to get REAL strength coaches and the like.

Lastly, just cause you class mates are doing something, doesn't mean its always right. Dont believe everything you hear, or see when you take that class. If you have a doubt, make a post, and ask. You'll get responses from people who either have degrees in this field, or who have trained many, many years. Not some new kid in the gym who picked up FLEX and thinks he is going to do Ronnie Colemans workout.

This also applies to anything you hear about supplements in the gym from your buddies. ASK, and i'd be glad to help you weed out the truth from the garbage. I have been in this area for many years, and i'll tell you what to believe and not believe.

My goal is to make more people aware of what they dont know, so they can actually be smarter than the other guy in the gym.

I use to moderate one of the most (still is) well known bodybuilding sites around, but its grown so huge now, I dont care to really do my thing there anymore.

Sometimes its TOO technical which can be ok at times, but it gets tiring, and I like to help out at a place that isn't so much dedicated as those sites as in a hardcore sense. Its a little more relaxing.

Having talks and chats with Patrick Arnold of ErgoPharm, and Par Deus of Avant Labs and all those people are nice, but your head gets moving 10x faster than it ever could on this site.

Talking with the most respected people in the supplement business is great, but gets intense.
 

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Omen: We have a new weight coach. The old one exactly like you said, he didn't know **** about ****. Everyone hated him, and that's probably why a lot of them never got anywhere. The knew guy is a hardass.. he is like an *******, but he seems to know his ****. And he is all about making us stronger and to "better ourselves". He keeps saying stuff like that. He only let's people who truely want to get better and want to be in weights into the class.. if he feels you're not in it for the right reasons he will kick you out.. he doesn't want to waist his time. So this guy seems qualified. His son is actually playing professionally as a baseball player and might being playing for the MLB soon.

Anyway, yeah you're right. This would be my first time REALLY weight training. I did a little bit. I used to weight train with the football players, but I got into it too late and only did it for like 2 weeks. Then the season ended.

But yeah. I think this new guy will help a lot.. he seems knowledgable. Maybe I should ask him.

Does anyone have any sites or could point me in the right direction for nutrition/carb information? Especially one that details a certain size.. like me 140-150 lb person?
 

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Omen: We have a new weight coach. The old one exactly like you said, he didn't know **** about ****. Everyone hated him, and that's probably why a lot of them never got anywhere. The knew guy is a hardass.. he is like an *******, but he seems to know his ****. And he is all about making us stronger and to "better ourselves". He keeps saying stuff like that. He only let's people who truely want to get better and want to be in weights into the class.. if he feels you're not in it for the right reasons he will kick you out.. he doesn't want to waist his time. So this guy seems qualified. His son is actually playing professionally as a baseball player and might being playing for the MLB soon.

Anyway, yeah you're right. This would be my first time REALLY weight training. I did a little bit. I used to weight train with the football players, but I got into it too late and only did it for like 2 weeks. Then the season ended.

But yeah. I think this new guy will help a lot.. he seems knowledgable. Maybe I should ask him.

Does anyone have any sites or could point me in the right direction for nutrition/carb information? Especially one that details a certain size.. like me 140-150 lb person?

That's good. Now I dont expect you to go check his credentials, since the school should have, but you could slip it in. So where did you go to college? Cool, what did you get your degree in? Or just BS with the guy to see how qualified he is.

You'll also get a sense too when he lifts or starts teaching. I dont expect him to talk about Origin and Insertion of muscles and biomechanics and all that jazz, but just pay attention, and if you hear him say something or your not sure, come ask us.

Detailing a certain frame (or what you need) will be hard to find. EACH person is different and you need to try it for yourself.

I'll give you a starting point and go from there.

55% carbs, 25% protein, and 20% fat.

So at 150lbs

Lets start you off at 2,500cal and go from there.

So your 150lbs

That's 156.25g of protein

343.75g of carbs

55g of fat (shoot for mostly unsaturated) oils, almonds, PB, fish, etc.

Start at that point and see where you are. Sure its only 1.04g/lb on protein, but dont worry about that. And it will go up a hair too if you realize that 2,500cal isn't enough to grow. Just by adding more calories it will clime. BUT so will the rest.

My protein % is about 20% but that is adjusted because I take in more calories than that, so it is fine gram wise.

Again, you'll need to find what works for YOU.

Start at 2,500, then monitor it for 2 weeks, if you are still at the same weight, bump it up another 250cal, so then you'll have 2,750cal per day. Monitor that for a week, and see what happens.

Dont forget to rest, and keep hydrated as well.
 
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