Jonwon --what's the truth?

[aliasguy]

jonwon.

I appreciate your efforts thus far. You've typed MANY lines so far. I know that you have developed an overarching theory that you feel covers the reasons for many men's failure with women, why those conditions have developed, and you've hinted at your solution to all this.



If I may summarize your basic points so far (while acknowledging that you've typed a great deal more than just this):

1. there's a cultural/religous/language/artistic "Matrix," in which almost all men (and women) are immersed. Few are those who can unplug. Doing so is essential to understanding and "getting" women.

2. After a man "understands" women, what he should do is "mind-f*ck" and literally f*ck them.



I realize you want to be comprehensive in laying out your thoughts, but this is STILL sounding like an infomercial. It almost sounds as if after a few more posts, you're going to announce that we are welcome to send in $39.95 for our very own copy of your book in which all the REAL secrets will be revealed.

Perhaps I would be more patient with this thread if you could maybe just write us a short post listing the BASIC points of what you are TRYING to say. And then we could go on to discuss the basic sociology and psychology behind it all.


I don't want to speak for you, but maybe it could look something like THIS:

1. Men are AFCs because of cultural conditioning, and this prevents them from understanding women because..... (whatever....)

2. Women want... (..to get F*CKED, I guess you're saying.)

3 Men should.... (... f*ck women, I'm guessing you'll say.)




Anyway, correct the errors in my list. (But that's about all I'm getting from you so far.) The elusive, cult-speak you have presented so far is slightly annoying. I deny nothing in what you've written, but I'm tried of slogging through your nebulous preaching.

I'm sure you have some good ideas.
Could you PLEASE just directly tell us what they are. If they can't be expressed in a moderate-sized paragraph (I don't mean fully explained and defended) then I'm not sure I want to continue to wait for tomorrows episode.

This really does sound wacky. Maybe it's just your writing style.

Just lay out the bottom line, man. Please.

 

[John-467]

Alias guy,

Hahah what do you want from Jonwon? I just laid out to you what it is what more EXPLAINATION do you want?

Try not to make this shyt so damn complex, it's really just common fvcking sense.

Women want to LOVE you, if they don't LOVE you then want do you have?

Okay, so HOW DO YOU MAKE WOMEN LOVE YOU?

1.) If you ask Strup, Keto's bytch azz, Rollo, they will tell you to go lift weights, put on some Brad Pitt looks, and listen to Jim Cramer on CNBC everynight until you get rich.

2.) Listen to me, it doesn't take all that, EVEN THOUGH I do work out, own a business, have great looks...this isn't the reason I get chicks.

I fulfill their needs.

Their need is = Romance and Sexual Satisification.

You satisify the romance part by MIND FVCKING (sexual state)
You satisfiy the sexual satisfication part by BEING GREAT IN BED

What's so complex and hard to understand? What??

 

[John-467]

Alias,

Guys FAIL with women (by this I mean being taken advantage of for their money, or by just not getting any time/attention period) b/c:

1.) THEY DON'T FULFILL THEIR NEEDS.

They do EVERYTHIGN else though lol. They buy them shyt, kiss azz, make them laugh, etc, etc.

Nothing I'm saying is "John's Theory" this is just the same bullshyt that brought me into the world.

The guys that get CONSTANTLY laid almost effortlessly UNDERSTAND just what the fvck I'm talking about, the guys that don't just CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING nor do they WISH TO UNDERSTAND IT.

Like Keto and Strup, they told me that what I said just "Can't be right" it's just "Not that simple..." so they instead what to go about displaying their "status" "money" "muscles" "brad pit looks" etc.

Hey listen, dude, please......get money, get a great body, have an all around life. But what I'm telling you, and I LIVE THIS EVERYDAY, those things are not a requirement to get HOT QUALITY CHICKS.

If they were I wouldn't get them, and the chicks are hot and quality (looks, success, live in a great house and neighborhood, no mental issues)

Now if you just DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THAT....choose not to. It's just YOUR LIFE and YOUR TIME that you are losing, remember...you only got one life, live it to the fullest dude and stop bullshyting.

 

[aliasguy]

OK, John, thanks .


The key is: "Romance and sexual satisfaction."

Finally, a straight answer.

Now we know.

I appreciate you laying it out simply and finally. I actually agree with this, to a degree. And I guess now we can close down SS, because we have the final answer --- "Romance and sexual satisfaction."

Since my question has been answered, I'll thank both you and Jonwan, and bow out of this thread now. I've been schooled.

Thanks guys.

 

[aliasguy]

Aliasguy,

Hold up before you go, I come here still to re-read a lot of teh old posts from some of my favorite posters and I might jump in and post.

But I want you to leave this site and go here >>> www.fastseduction.com

Join the mASF forum, that site is MUCH better for you regarding success with women. Sosuave is a great forum for guys mostly on an OVERALL, psychological level....but even then Sosuave is really overrated in a lot of things.

There's been a handful of posters that have "blessed" this site that are no longer here, those posters keep me peeking in here to read their old shyt from like 2003 in shyt lol.

But go to that site...Alias you NEED TO DEVELOP YOUR SKILLS

1.) Your Mind-Fvcking skills: eye contact, voice, body language, phone sex, net sex, non-verbal, etc.

2.) Your Bed-room fvcking skills: G-spots, vagina stimuplation, foreplay, great spots, how to push and pull in the bed, how to take her over to orgaism.

These are the skills that are KEY, you have to DEVELOP and practice these skills, after doing them awhile they become APART OF YOU....and you won't have anymore problems with women.

You come back to Sosuave in a couple of months and post like Jonwon and be more on "my side" of the thinking trying to tell the idiot guys like Strup, Keto and the others how STUPID they are in their thinking.

My "skills" are FINE. I've read before at mASF. It's the same stuff, with a twist. And all of these sites are the same stuff with a twist.

I'm not complaining about my situation. I'm doing A-OK. I run around with women from 20-35. I'm seeing a lot of women and actually using a system VERY close to what you recommend. And probably, I'm way closer to your view than you think.

I just had a HUGE problem with Jonwon's inability to communicate clearly. He seemed to be unable to express himself clearly, and was talking all over the map about Matrices and all kinds of other garbage without just SAYING WHAT HE MEANS. It shouldn't be some mystical BS. Life is as it is.

Jeez.

(sorry, I said I was done --- I am now.)
(I guess I should apologize for the sarcasm in my last post, also.)

 

[jonwon]

jonwon.

I appreciate your efforts thus far. You've typed MANY lines so far. I know that you have developed an overarching theory that you feel covers the reasons for many men's failure with women, why those conditions have developed, and you've hinted at your solution to all this.



If I may summarize your basic points so far (while acknowledging that you've typed a great deal more than just this):

1. there's a cultural/religous/language/artistic "Matrix," in which almost all men (and women) are immersed. Few are those who can unplug. Doing so is essential to understanding and "getting" women.

2. After a man "understands" women, what he should do is "mind-f*ck" and literally f*ck them.



I realize you want to be comprehensive in laying out your thoughts, but this is STILL sounding like an infomercial. It almost sounds as if after a few more posts, you're going to announce that we are welcome to send in $39.95 for our very own copy of your book in which all the REAL secrets will be revealed.

Perhaps I would be more patient with this thread if you could maybe just write us a short post listing the BASIC points of what you are TRYING to say. And then we could go on to discuss the basic sociology and psychology behind it all.


I don't want to speak for you, but maybe it could look something like THIS:

1. Men are AFCs because of cultural conditioning, and this prevents them from understanding women because..... (whatever....)

2. Women want... (..to get F*CKED, I guess you're saying.)

3 Men should.... (... f*ck women, I'm guessing you'll say.)




Anyway, correct the errors in my list. (But that's about all I'm getting from you so far.) The elusive, cult-speak you have presented so far is slightly annoying. I deny nothing in what you've written, but I'm tried of slogging through your nebulous preaching.

I'm sure you have some good ideas.
Could you PLEASE just directly tell us what they are. If they can't be expressed in a moderate-sized paragraph (I don't mean fully explained and defended) then I'm not sure I want to continue to wait for tomorrows episode.

This really does sound wacky. Maybe it's just your writing style.

Just lay out the bottom line, man. Please.

Let me take your post and take out what i see:

1. there's a cultural/religous/language/artistic "Matrix," in which almost all men (and women) are immersed. Few are those who can unplug. Doing so is essential to understanding and "getting" women.

Doing is never essential for meeting women or pretty much anything in life, there are looser men with unbelievable women everywhere.

No what I am telling you to do, is accept yourself and not conform to what ‘others’ have told you is the truth and when all is said and done ‘western society’ is telling you to ‘consume and buy’ women, hence money, power, education, looks, genetics e.t.c, which are ‘only extra strings to your bow’ in, increasing personal value, they are not the reasons women sleep with men, on the other hand women are told ‘men must provide’, so the reverse is true, but this is false, this is the ‘consumer culture’ that is gripping you, it is not the TRUTH, hence the power of a MAN can rip down her ‘programming’. Men do not conform, we create, we create our destiny and our ‘identity’.

2. After a man "understands" women, what he should do is "mind-f*ck" and literally f*ck them.
This is JOHN interpretation of what makes women happy, which is not wrong, it is 100% correct, but even if this was 100% correct, it is not the only TRUTH out there, there are MANY< this is one example of success with women.

And women do ‘love’ sex.

You said:
I realize you want to be comprehensive in laying out your thoughts, but this is STILL sounding like an infomercial. It almost sounds as if after a few more posts, you're going to announce that we are welcome to send in $39.95 for our very own copy of your book in which all the REAL secrets will be revealed.
End:

If you think I am her to make money on seduction, your ‘wrong’, how does your ego like that?

You said:
Perhaps I would be more patient with this thread if you could maybe just write us a short post listing the BASIC points of what you are TRYING to say. And then we could go on to discuss the basic sociology and psychology behind it all.
End.

I think this is wise of you to do that, but psychology and sociology are the FOUNDATION, this is where it is AT, the rest is how you scramble all this IN YOUR HEAD.
The success with-women, is in your HEAD, what better place is there then to knock down a few walls.

Is your bias at work here, are you catering to ‘ego’ when you reply to me, or have you some-other agenda, is your pride at work? (don’t answer that I already know).

You said:
I'm sure you have some good ideas.
Could you PLEASE just directly tell us what they are. If they can't be expressed in a moderate-sized paragraph (I don't mean fully explained and defended) then I'm not sure I want to continue to wait for tomorrows episode.

This really does sound wacky. Maybe it's just your writing style.
End.

Impossible.

What you asked goes far deeper then one paragraph, if I was to put up my many revelations on here, I could fill at least 15+ pages (no this is not trying to get a book deal, I am happy with my life, I don’t need statements of wealth, money or status, I am content as I am).

People already know what I am talking about.

The next part is going to take a HELL OF A LOT OF WORK.

You don’t pay my wages, no offence so I will do it when I feel like it.

I am getting the impression, it matters little what i write, but it is clear to me, my message is getting through, i can see it in your posts, i can see it how posters are not willing to accept 'others' opinions and i can see it how others are starting to take note of JOHN.

But i am coming to the stage, where i think am i wasting my time?

You dont pay me money, you dont offer me incentive to continue, but what you do offer me is:

just had a HUGE problem with Jonwon's 'inability to communicate clearly'. 'He seemed to be unable to express himself clearly', and was 'talking all over the map about Matrices and all kinds of other garbage without just SAYING WHAT HE MEANS. It shouldn't be some mystical BS. Life is as it is.

Dont insult my intelligence, this is YOUR PROBLEM, dont make it MINE!

I am expressing myself perfectly fuc*ing clearly: hence post like this do not give me much incentive to carry on and why the fuc* should I.

I am getting the impression your trying to be a fuc*ing dic*, if you want my take on what i am seeing.

Not the best way to get me to invest time into anything, go read the links i posted, especcially this one:

How to influence poeple, you need it.

 

[ketostix]

1.) Your Mind-Fvcking skills: eye contact, voice, body language, phone sex, net sex, non-verbal, etc.

Eye contact, voice, body language, non-verbals are appearance. It's not so much what you say, it's how you say it and how you appear or look when you're saying it. Women are subjective, being sexual towards a woman who isn't attracted to you is going to be interpreted as creepy by her. A certain amount of looks, stats and value is always necessary if you want her to see things your way. the more of that you have the easier and more successful you'll be. It's like the axiom when a girl likes you, you can do no wrong, and when she doesn't like you you can do no right.

It's not so much I disagree with you as much as you don't understand what others are saying, you twist what they say and start a disagreement about something you created. That, and you're annoying and a big blowhard.

 

[iqqi]

Stop flaming, troll.

 

[jonwon]

I knew this thread would turn into a pis*ing contest.

I knew it before i even posted my first stuff.

Sad...

Oh well not my loss.

 

[ketostix]

WTF are you Jonwon and Iqqi talking about. If you're refering to me and not John-467 do I really need to quote the flaming and insulting he made FIRST toward several members on this forum? You're either biased or delusional or both. It's pretty telling that you, John-467 and Iqqi are all in agreement. I'm just going to come out and say it, I think you are a jacka$$ and for good reason.

 

[jonwon]

I spent 30 mins to an hour thinking about how to make my first posts in this thread that would 'make sense' to people on this board.

Now its been taken over by simple pissing contests.

Hence a waste of my time, thanks 30mins + down the drain.

Its like being in a fuc8ing playground.

Just lock this thread, its getting ugly.
I dont even know why i bother:

i will state this, before this thread gets locked:

If you dont like my ADVICE FUC* YOU!!!! (this would be more in keeping with the trend of these boards)


There clear enough for you.

I should have just posted that from the start.

Fuc8ing book deal, jesus h fuc*ing christ.

 

[ketostix]

Jonwon, there was no pissing contest at least not that I started. People read your posts and consider what you say, but that doesn't mean they can't disagree or discuss your points. It's not a bad thing, it's how a better understanding is found. The problem is whenever is whenever this happens ,you have a tendency to first take disagreement personally, misconstrue what the other person said, then counter-attack them on things they didn't really say and atttack and insult them personally. To illustrate my point, I'll just quote your own words:

If you dont like my ADVICE FUC* YOU!!!! (this would be more in keeping with the trend of these boards)

John-467 does this and Iqqi does it too, that is misconstrue then counter with personal attacks and insults. Other posters do this too, but to a much leser extent and usually only after they've been attacked first. If you wouldn't do this, it'd be different.

 

[jonwon]

Jonwon, there was no pissing contest at least not that I started. People read your posts and consider what you say, but that doesn't mean they can't disagree or discuss your points. It's not a bad thing, it's how a better understanding is found. The problem is whenever is whenever this happens ,you have a tendency to first take disagreement personally, misconstrue what the other person said, then counter-attack them on things they didn't really say and atttack and insult them personally. To illustrate my point, I'll just quote your own words:

John-467 does this and Iqqi does it too, that is misconstrue then counter with personal attacks and insults. Other posters do this too, but to a much leser extent and usually only after they've been attacked first. If you wouldn't do this, it'd be different.

I thought about posting something back to you about people not disagreeing but taking bais and using there fuc8ing IGNORANCE to ATTACK ME.

But then again, your a idiot so i dont give shi* anyway.

AGAIN i am being dragged into a flame war with the BIGGEST FUC*ING RETARD ON THESE BOARDS.

Your going on ignore, perminent.

Lock this thread, or this will continue.

I asked for this thread to be locked, because i knew this dumb fuc* cant give it up.

and yes keto, you are a dumb fuc*!

Your like some BPD chick, i cant shake of my nuts.

 

[ketostix]

I thought about posting something back to you about people not disagreeing but taking bais and using there fuc8ing IGNORANCE to ATTACK ME.

But then again, your a idiot so i dont give shi* anyway.

AGAIN i am being dragged into a flame war with the BIGGEST FUC*ING RETARD ON THESE BOARDS.

Your going on ignore, perminent.

Lock this thread, or this will continue.

I asked for this thread to be locked, because i knew this dumb fuc* cant give it up.

and yes keto, you are a dumb fuc*!

Another example of Jonwon being even 10 times worse than I even suggested. I'm now convinced he's mentally ill. Bud, I wish you would ignore me like you said you were going to the last time.

 

[jophil28]

jonwon.

...in laying out your thoughts, but this is STILL sounding like an infomercial. It almost sounds as if after a few more posts, you're going to announce that we are welcome to send in $39.95 for our very own copy of your book in which all the REAL secrets will be revealed.

.

Now that is really funny ..!

 

[jonwon]

Now that is really funny ..!

And i see more that come out.

Jo, alis, keto, fuc& you.

I will still continue to get more women, fuc* more women and date more women then you 3 combined.

So blow it.

Dic* heads.

And what the FUC8 in a 50 year old doing here? trying to game grannies? you need advice for that.

You state:
'most of us are looking for a relationship' at 50 year old, your a lost cause.

If i get to 50 i think i will give up on meeting the fabled wonder women, I mean whats the point?

You dismiss my posts due to me being some form of playa, because your an AFC grandad looking for miss right at the ripe old age of 50.

Dont waste my time pops.

 

[reset]

Jonwon, I like reading your posts, there are other guys I'm sure who are "guests" who read them.... don't let your ego get the best of you. Just post what you want to post and respond to the things you think are worthy of response.

A lot of us guys here are open to all sorts of viewpoints, and some people have a lot invested in their own viewpoints or worldview, and anyone who challenges that is basically challenging their identity so they strike out out of fear, or self-protection. Don't get caught up in it.

I'm sure you know the difference between a good spirited debate and people setting you up just for the pleasure of (thinking) bringing you down?

Just write for the dudes out there who are are willing to hear what you say and ignore the rest. It can only be a flame war if you respond like that.

 

[jonwon]

Jonwon, I like reading your posts, there are other guys I'm sure who are "guests" who read them.... don't let your ego get the best of you. Just post what you want to post and respond to the things you think are worthy of response.

A lot of us guys here are open to all sorts of viewpoints, and some people have a lot invested in their own viewpoints or worldview, and anyone who challenges that is basically challenging their identity so they strike out out of fear, or self-protection. Don't get caught up in it.

Just write for the dudes out there who are are willing to hear what you say and ignore the rest. It can only be a flame war if you respond like that.

reset, thanks but.
I'm just sick of these dic* heads, hanging of my nuts, just because there loosers.

Why should i bother?

for others that read this site?

Why should i give a fuc*.

Especcially when i get retards like these 3 dic*s giving me ****.

I dont loose out, i will still continue to meet more women then these fuc* wits.

The only reason i choose to put up with this cra* is because i click on this web-site.

I dont need this site at all.

I am thinking of bailing on this fuc*ing place.

Let these coc* suckers, guide you instead.

Fuc8 it i am out'a here.

Enough if this shi*.

I dont need this place, this is a pastime anyway, i thought i could come here and share my 'experiance' with guys, pull them on the things they do wrong and make guys get more 'choices' in there life.

What i get instead is dic* heads giving me shi*.

fuc8 this.

 

[reset]

Well, don't post if you don't want. I'm just saying I was enjoying reading the stuff you were posting--- the guys who disagree are always going to disagree. Anytime you tell someone they have more power in themselves, if they are in that victim mindset they are just going to strike out at you--it's easier to think you go through life at the mercy of other people. Your basic message is that you are in control and to quit making excuses for not having women. I think it's a good message.

This is how message boards are, they go in cycles. There's nothing wrong with this place, it's just made up of people. But yeah, if it's bothering you, you should bail out. Just don't let anonymous strangers on the web get the best of you.

 

[jonwon]

Well, don't post if you don't want. I'm just saying I was enjoying reading the stuff you were posting--- the guys who disagree are always going to disagree. Anytime you tell someone they have more power in themselves, if they are in that victim mindset they are just going to strike out at you--it's easier to think you go through life at the mercy of other people. Your basic message is that you are in control and to quit making excuses for not having women. I think it's a good message.

This is how message boards are, they go in cycles. There's nothing wrong with this place, it's just made up of people. But yeah, if it's bothering you, you should bail out. Just don't let anonymous strangers on the web get the best of you.

Yes i know i get it in real life, even when THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ASKED.

Sorry but i dont need this reset.

I like giving people advice, but i draw the line to ars* holes, i dont come on a forum and debate shi8 with ars*holes and so far i am seeing a good few dic*s try to jump on my nuts.

Fuc* EM!

They mean fuc*ing nothing to me, the mean Nothing at all.

But i dont need this place, there is NOTHING worth sticking around here for, it seems.


So Fu*k it.

This site is poison anway.

I regress, when i come here not progress due to it being fill with so called master fuc*ing DJ's (dic* jumpers), who care more about jumping on other peoples dic*s then taking note.

fuc* this place.

(My final post was to guy's who make it to leave places like this)

I am going to take my own advice and say.

Laters.

I may make an official goodbye post later to guys who have inspired me and helped me out through my stay here.

But to Dic* head like these arse*wipes, FUC* YOU!

I'll pop back here and see Keto, 50 year old geezer, Alis, still be talking about the same old fuc*ing shi*.

Which is what i am doing and have been doing, simply out of what i think to be bordem.

This has given me the push i needed to leave this site behind.