John Kerry Shirt as a Pick Up tool

[phenom]

Exactly, sustainable007. I think you just proved Ricky right on how most liberals are; outspoken, argumentative, whiney and when they don't like what they hear, they resort to the STFU attitude. Thats how most of the women are.

Now you don't need to go around campus polling HB's to see if they're liberal or not and taking pics. I know that there are exceptions to the rule; it's a fact of life. I was generalizing here and I made that clear.

Of course if you do happen to find some hot libs, feel free to post em!!

 

[DonCruez]

you guys have no idea how funny it is to read threads like this when your European.

Especially when you start generalising the people of the other party. That's friggin 50% of your country. The best part, of course, is that both candidates are backed (read: owned) by corporations.

Or do you REALLY believe that a 2-party democracy even deserves the name democracy? In modern politics there are more axes than left and right. It's, for example, perfectly possible to be a left-wing conservative, like a lot of European Socialist parties. OTOH, right wing progressive parties do exist too, like a lot of our Liberal parties (that's liberal as in the european sense, being defenders of the free market, in theory)

and for the record: in comparison to european politics both your republicans and democrats would be on the far right of the spectrum.

for a conservative who has an idea about how we have come to see you: http://www.fredoneverything.net/BolivianPampas.shtml
BTW, this is NOT an insult, its just an FYI

 

[Ricky]

Funny I speak Spanish and a little bit of French as well.

I have a masters degree and am working on a second.

The US is proud of what it has done in it's short history. It has lapped the field of it's European Brethren.

I think what we are seeing now is some lazy youth who have benefited from the great contributions of their forefathers. I have benefited greatly from the American pioneers.

The typical tourist you are talking about is a liberal trust fund baby who has no clue.

Most conservatives and independents don't fall into this category.

 

[Golden Arms]

Originally posted by phenom
Exactly, sustainable007. I think you just proved Ricky right on how most liberals are; outspoken, argumentative, whiney and when they don't like what they hear, they resort to the STFU attitude. Thats how most of the women are.

Yup

Most male liberals I've met need a serious check for elevated estrogen levels.. No wonder Arnold called them "girlie men" on more than one ocassion

 

[princelydeeds]

Originally posted by Ricky
Funny I speak Spanish and a little bit of French as well.

I have a masters degree and am working on a second.
The typical tourist you are talking about is a liberal trust fund baby who has no clue.

Most conservatives and independents don't fall into this category.

For such an educated, cultured, knowledgable, and successful person you sure make alot of STUPID generalizations!

 

[TooColdUlrick]

Originally posted by DonCruez
you guys have no idea how funny it is to read threads like this when your European.

Especially when you start generalising the people of the other party. That's friggin 50% of your country. The best part, of course, is that both candidates are backed (read: owned) by corporations.

Or do you REALLY believe that a 2-party democracy even deserves the name democracy? In modern politics there are more axes than left and right. It's, for example, perfectly possible to be a left-wing conservative, like a lot of European Socialist parties. OTOH, right wing progressive parties do exist too, like a lot of our Liberal parties (that's liberal as in the european sense, being defenders of the free market, in theory)

and for the record: in comparison to european politics both your republicans and democrats would be on the far right of the spectrum.

for a conservative who has an idea about how we have come to see you: http://www.fredoneverything.net/BolivianPampas.shtml
BTW, this is NOT an insult, its just an FYI

europeans are so impotent. they get a free ride for all of the protection that the US provides, but share none of the monetary expense, nor lives. does France even have an army? europeans can't just disagree with the US, but you do everything you can to usurp the protection we provide you so that you can practice a social experiment.

then when hitler comes along, who's yo' daddy? uh huh! Uncle Sam to the rescue.

is that too much of a generalization?

the world needs a cowboy right now. Bush is THAT cowboy. europeans, especially the French, don't like cowboys, because cowboys are independent and won't be controlled in the face of a crisis, and KILL people that need to be killed.

you will thank us 10 years from now.

Kerry is a pvssy, who grew up in europe uber privledged, has a euro centric view of the world, who has a bad habit of marrying super rich women. even prominent democrats say that kerry doesn't have the stomach for things that NEED to be done.

to wit: who wears the pants in the Kerry household? who wears the pants in the Bush household? who stands up for principles, even when unpopular? who waffles over and over, as the political winds blow?

in a fist fight, who would beat the fukking sh!t out of whom? the way the world is right now, that's not such a trivial question.

just my 2 cents.

 

[Golden Arms]

Originally posted by TooColdUlrick
europeans are so impotent. they get a free ride for all of the protection that the US provides, but share none of the monetary expense, nor lives. does France even have an army? europeans can't just disagree with the US, but you do everything you can to usurp the protection we provide you so that you can practice a social experiment.

then when hitler comes along, who's yo' daddy? uh huh! Uncle Sam to the rescue.

is that too much of a generalization?

the world needs a cowboy right now. Bush is THAT cowboy. europeans, especially the French, don't like cowboys, because cowboys are independent and won't be controlled in the face of a crisis, and KILL people that need to be killed.

you will thank us 10 years from now.

Kerry is a pvssy, who grew up in europe uber privledged, has a euro centric view of the world, who has a bad habit of marrying super rich women. even prominent democrats say that kerry doesn't have the stomach for things that NEED to be done.

to wit: who wears the pants in the Kerry household? who wears the pants in the Bush household? who stands up for principles, even when unpopular? who waffles over and over, as the political winds blow?

in a fist fight, who would beat the fukking sh!t out of whom? the way the world is right now, that's not such a trivial question.

just my 2 cents.

beautiful man, simply beautiful ..

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by DonCruez
you guys have no idea how funny it is to read threads like this when your European.

Especially when you start generalising the people of the other party. That's friggin 50% of your country. The best part, of course, is that both candidates are backed (read: owned) by corporations.

Or do you REALLY believe that a 2-party democracy even deserves the name democracy? In modern politics there are more axes than left and right. It's, for example, perfectly possible to be a left-wing conservative, like a lot of European Socialist parties. OTOH, right wing progressive parties do exist too, like a lot of our Liberal parties (that's liberal as in the european sense, being defenders of the free market, in theory)

and for the record: in comparison to european politics both your republicans and democrats would be on the far right of the spectrum.

for a conservative who has an idea about how we have come to see you: http://www.fredoneverything.net/BolivianPampas.shtml
BTW, this is NOT an insult, its just an FYI

You're from Belgium, maybe you should reconsider which government you should be criticizing.

 

[DonCruez]

Originally posted by TooColdUlrick
europeans are so impotent. they get a free ride for all of the protection that the US provides, but share none of the monetary expense, nor lives. does France even have an army? europeans can't just disagree with the US, but you do everything you can to usurp the protection we provide you so that you can practice a social experiment.

protection provided by the US? used to be for the Western part of Europe, against the commies. Who do we need protection from anyway? and before you say terrorists, remember that we in Europe have a larger history of dealing with terrorists tan you.

Originally posted by TooColdUlrick
then when hitler comes along, who's yo' daddy? uh huh! Uncle Sam to the rescue.
is that too much of a generalization?

yup. Learn your history instead of rehashing what they tell you.
1. The Russians can say the same thing. They helped defeat Hilter, and probably more so than the USA.
2. The succes of your economy is largely based on the special provisions European nations gave you as a thank you.

Originally posted by TooColdUlrick
the world needs a cowboy right now. Bush is THAT cowboy. europeans, especially the French, don't like cowboys, because cowboys are independent and won't be controlled in the face of a crisis, and KILL people that need to be killed.

Naiveté rules supreme. read the text I linked to above. written by an American.

kindly explain this line of reasoning:
1. terrorists attack america, which sucks
2. declare a war on terror
3. invade Afghanistan because they harbour terrorists? OK, this I can understand.
4. Invade Iraq???? *boggle* Especcially using phrases like 'pre-emptive strike'
5. Alienate the rest of the word by goin in alone. Instead of showing the "concrete evidence" they say they have...
6. Be surprisede the Iraqis don't like you...

Oh, and along the way, your freedom loving cowboy took away a lot of your civil rights in the name of Patriotism and security

Originally posted by TooColdUlrick
you will thank us 10 years from now..

No, we won't. Just like the isrealli should be finding out: armies can do nothing against terror. every attack they make just breeds more resentment en thus guys who are willing to blow themselves up. Except, of course, when you can kill every arab in the world, which ain't gonna happen.

Originally posted by TooColdUlrick
Kerry is a pvssy, who grew up in europe uber privledged, has a euro centric view of the world, who has a bad habit of marrying super rich women. even prominent democrats say that kerry doesn't have the stomach for things that NEED to be done.

to wit: who wears the pants in the Kerry household? who wears the pants in the Bush household? who stands up for principles, even when unpopular? who waffles over and over, as the political winds blow?

in a fist fight, who would beat the fukking sh!t out of whom? the way the world is right now, that's not such a trivial question.

IMO, they're both pvssies. Everyone can read a prepared speach and act tough. BUT, a politician doesn't need to act tough, he needs to act intelligent...

 

[DonCruez]

Originally posted by Nocturnal
You're from Belgium, maybe you should reconsider which government you should be criticizing.

I'm born in Belgium, yes. But I've been traveling the word the last 2 years. that said, i do critisise my government too, but not here, because none of you would know what I was talking about...

for the easily offended: I don't mean you're stupid, I'm just being realisitic.

 

[TooColdUlrick]

^^^ whatever...

 

[WestCoaster]

Interesting

I really don't like either, but Bush opted out of military service (daddy did it for him), he -- like Kerry -- is from a family of privilege. This "blue collar" George W. stuff is hilarious. He went to freaking Yale for God's sake and did so because he was a legacy. He didn't get in on good grades.

Principles? Ooooh boy, we've been fed a bag of goods.

Interesting documentations out from a Sept. 11 family member -- more than 3,000 pages on how they knew an attack was eminent, but they sat back. That story has been censored by mainstream media but I'd suggest reading it.

Perhaps I'm too much of a conspiracy guy, but I actually think the current administration was almost happy about Sept. 11 as they could find an excuse to go to war ... funny thing, they didn't get the right guy. Bin Laden is still out there!

Principles, ethics? Just republican B.S. ... they're as corrupt as anyone, but by saying they want to keep an eye on your bedroom, who is marrying who, and forcing fundamentalist religion (the primary financier of the republican party) down our throats, they try to portray this holier than thou image.

If they are re-elected you can bet fundamentalist Christianity will be taking over even more so than now.

No thanks ... and I'm not a big Kerry fan either.

 

[phenom]

Just because Bush went to Yale and grew up in a prominent family doesn't mean he can't relate to the hard-working, blue-collared folks who are the backbone of this country. Why do you think rural America loves him? Believe me, most of my family are farmers and I spend much of my time in the country so I have first hand knowledge.

What IS hilarious is all those people who were protesting in the streets of NY during the convention. Did any of you sit back and examine these people? Every nutcase who lives their life focusing on nothing but the negatives of the world were there; *****ing and complaining about everything from the war in Iraq to the AIDs epedemic in Africa. Geez, now Bush is to blame for AIDs in Africa. Most, if not all, of these complaints are personal attacks against Bush. They just hate him as a human being and thats it. If Al Gore were in office and did the same thing you wouldn't here a peep out of these people. Case in point: You haven't heard these people complaining about jobs being lost to overseas competitors until now, though it's been going on for years.

I like Bush because he has lived life - the good and bad. He had his wild days in college and almost lost his wife because of his drinking. Not that I can relate to him being an alcoholic. But I have great respect for Bush. He has been over that mountain and has come back a great man, which makes me believe in his faith. You know it's real because he wouldn't be here without it. Every single move Kerry has made in his life has been calculated, just like Al Gore. That's why I don't support him, because I don't see him as a true person, a person that I can relate to. GW is the kind of guy you could go out for a beer with, have over for the Super Bowl and have a real good time with. I see Bush as a normal person who happens to be POTUS and thats why I vote for him.

I'm just saying that 90% of the girls in college are only there to find a husband. Most of them don't give a rat's azz about politics. Only the girls who are hardcore Libs would talk to you because of your Kerry t-shirt and they are the ones that I want nothing to do with. The majority of them would just think your a tool with no life. But do what you like, man.

On a side note:

THE US DID NOT "GO IT ALONE" AND "ALEINATE THE REST OF THE WORLD"!!!! This is just more BS from the Liberals and their skewed thinking of the world. They see what they want to see, and hear what they want to hear.

http://www.cjtf7.com/the-coalition/coalition-forces.htm

 

[sustainable007]

Know i know what makes him phenom

He calls himself phenom because he is a phenomenal a$$ho1e...

 

[Golden Arms]

Re: Know i know what makes him phenom

Originally posted by sustainable007
He calls himself phenom because he is a phenomenal a$$ho1e...

that's great argument, kudos to you man

No need to bother actually debating the issues or anything.. Actually, resorting to insults is pretty much an admission of defeat..

 

[phenom]

Thanks for the compliment, 007!!!

I would just like to add that I like Liberals and recognize that they are good for the country. Liberals need Conservatives and vice versa.

The two idealologies have created a natural system of checks and balances for this country. There's a constant tug-of-war going on in everyday life much like there is in Congress. Making it hard for either side to do much.

It is important to appreciate both views because we wouldn't want the country to move to the extremes of either side. I believe that this country has remained strong since birth because of this constant struggle. If you look at past dynasties, they have been ruled by only one idealogy and that may have contributed to their demise.

 

[WestCoaster]

While I'm not a fan of either candidate nor Nader -- the libertarians were actually making the most sense to me this year -- thinking Bush is an everyday Joe is hilarious.

I live in a rural area, too, and most farmers I know may be conservative but believe Bush is definitely not pro-farmer. He is in favor of cutting back farm subsidies and his entire economic strategy is to line the pockets of the extremely rich, mostly oil barons in Texas and Wall Street millionaires.

Read his economic plan. Since when is that an every day Joe?

The person his economic policies are targeted for are six and seven figure people. I know some rich farmers, but most I know are struggling. Starting with the Reagan-era cuts in farm subsidies, and continued through Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush Jr., they are not a voting block that is being cared for.

Anyone who thinks so is either uneducated or off their rocker.

 

[DonCruez]

Originally posted by phenom
On a side note:

THE US DID NOT "GO IT ALONE" AND "ALEINATE THE REST OF THE WORLD"!!!! This is just more BS from the Liberals and their skewed thinking of the world. They see what they want to see, and hear what they want to hear.

http://www.cjtf7.com/the-coalition/coalition-forces.htm

OK. now check how many actual soldiers everone of these countries sent. I had a link, but I can't seem to find it. I'll grant you the UK. Blair was the only one who sent a sizeable amount of soldiers.

Oh, and by the way, I'm not a liberal. I'm more of an green guy, but of the realistic kind.

and another thing: I personally know a lot of people who are (and always have been) republican partisans. But they *hate* the neocons. they still will be voting Bush, tough. I think this is quite strange....

 

[Ricky]

I think politics are a polarizing issue with little tangible returns for the average person. People that go into it have inflated egos as well as the people who follow them as party loyalists.

Remember you are only one man with one vote. If you want to make a difference do it in the community you live in.

Most of the liberals are people with ideas that want to help but their lives are in shambles. I disagree with many of their views, but even more so with the violent way they have been expressing it lately.

Many conservatives have alot of money and might contribute some money to help but not time. They believe in personal responsibility but sometime come off as cold and not caring.

I think in reality, focus on your own life, help your family and try to help others as much as you can.

I laugh my ass off at the emotional partisans. That's why I enjoy giving these die hard libs a hearty debate. They can get pretty mean spirited!

To see a bit more about these lovable luny liberals go to www.protestwarrior.com. It's a group that makes fun of the protestors!

 

[Luveno]

After reading some of the opinions that h ave been expressed on this topic, I've decided to share my two cents. I am from Canada, a country that is affected first hand by your partisan politics but does not have the right to change any decisions that are made down there. As far as I'm concerned, we're just America Jr, unfortunately.

There are 2 parties...and how this is democratic stumps me completely. I can totally relate to how the majority of americans do not vote: there are only 2 choices, and for the most part they are the same. All a bunch of rich white men running the country so that their other rich white friends companies get more profit. It is foolish for anyone who is blue collar and trying to put their kids or themselves through college, or trying to fund the surgery of a loved one, to support either one of these parties. They have both been in office and very little has changed - it has actually become worse for the poor and middle class in america recently. Ultimately, voting is an illusion of choice. No matter who you vote for, you're screwed.

To the Bush supporters: Bush is a complete whacko, and his administration is comprised of oil tycoons. The blue collar man that he presents to america is a facade. Sure, he likes to fish, and he'd kill every arab on earth just like any normal blue collar american would, but the difference is he had special priveledges in life that most do not. He could go AWOL without retribution. He went to Yale without meeting the entrance requirements. He gets elected without winning the election. Hes another daddys little boy who reaped the benefits of his father's work.
And to the guy who admires a president who almost lost his wife because he was an alcoholic: I sure hope you never share that attitude with your children. It truly is pathetic.

Additionally, the bush admin let 911 happen. They did this so that they could have an excuse to invade Afghanistan to put an oil pipeline in. THe taliban govt would have no part in it, so they needed an excuse. 911 was perfect.

Iraq wasnt even involved in terror. It does, however, have 2/3 of the worlds oil. France and Germany didnt want to invade because they had shares in the Iraqi oil. Now america owns it. As far as I gather, there are so many poor kids going over to fight some sort of war. THey think its the right thing because they were brainwashed since they were kids to sacrifice themselves for "america"...well, who reaps the benefits of their sacrifice? It sure isnt the common people.

To the kerry supporters: The man is a rich kid who was gung ho anti vietnam...sure...but that was decades ago. Since then he has married one of the richest women in america - in other words, he has joined that club of elite white men that have priviledges most do not. It will be the exact same as now if he's in office.

Noam Chomsky, the most reputable political critic on earth, has said that there is only one party, the Business Party. They exist to make money. The rich stay rich, the poor stay poor.
THat isnt even capitalism. THats tyranny. Either way, we all lose.

To the guy who lauded America for WWII: America didnt even join until Pearl harbor, and even then their involvement was mainly on the pacific side of it, which didnt concern anyone but them and some chinese oil fields. Canada, which then was a part of Britain, fought on the Hitler side of things...America did very little on the European front in comparison to European countries.

And to conclude, 5% of americans own 95% of the wealth. THey are above and beyond the law. Same as in Canada too...ever hear of Svend Robinson?


The only thing that matters in North America is money. If you have it, you have everything. Case closed.