Jared Fogle

[Jaylan]

"moral compass", "sexually prey on..."

Ah finally! I knew this thread had to get a bleeding heart liberal's perspective.

Where's the counter argument to what I said? Have any? or do you simply use lame politically partisan buzz words?

Whats "bleeding heart liberal" about thinking its predatory when adult males target minor females for pornography? Is it not wrong for adult males to seek out young teenagers for such things?

Tell me, do you think its right or wrong?

 

[speed dawg]

...when adult males target minor females for pornography? Is it not wrong for adult males to seek out young teenagers for such things?

We all know this basic crap already. It's basic human decency. We have moved on to asking better, and deeper, questions about this situation. We're not talking right and wrong, we are/were having a discussion.

You know, we're trying to figure out WHY. People like you don't want to get any deeper than that. That's fine, but just stay out of the thread. We don't need anyone to tell us that Jared is a pervert, Cpt. Obvious. Your emotional framework isn't wanted here.

 

[zekko]

Lol, every time I read the subject line of this thread, I hear this in my head. It doesn't help that Comedy Central ran this episode last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZVvCvpFJs

I agree. I think our ability to use rational thinking in the midst of our natural desires is what makes our souls, it's what makes us human and not animals. So no, we shouldn't be shamed for HAVING those desires, but we can be shamed/punished/killed for ACTING on those desires in certain circumstances.

I think sometimes, on SoSuave, some guys want to promote responding to our sexual desires as being manly. But you have to have some sort of filter on them, you have to run them through your intellect, that's what makes us human. It's wrong to follow our every sexual impulse just because it's "natural". You can't just get up and bang some chick on the table in some business meeting just because the urge strikes you.

We all know this basic crap already. It's basic human decency. We have moved on to asking better, and deeper, questions about this situation. We're not talking right and wrong, we are/were having a discussion.

You know, we're trying to figure out WHY..

Maybe it has to do with our culture. In some cultures, a 12 year old girl has reached adulthood, and some 30 year old dude might take her for a bride. In our culture, women are expected to make decisions for themselves, and in their early teens they are still dependent on their parents. So maybe that's the difference.

Of course, FEMINISM has a huge influence on our culture, so that has a lot to do with why women are expected to be independent decision makers in our society.

 

[piranha45]

Whats "bleeding heart liberal" about thinking its predatory when adult males target minor females for pornography? Is it not wrong for adult males to seek out young teenagers for such things?

Tell me, do you think its right or wrong?

Its right. All of it is right. After all, might makes right!

The smart exploit the ignorant. The strong feast upon the weak.
And it is just.


Now make like a good bleeder and throw some shaming terms at me; give yourself a false sense of accomplishment!

 

[Jaylan]

I think sometimes, on SoSuave, some guys want to promote responding to our sexual desires as being manly. But you have to have some sort of filter on them, you have to run them through your intellect, that's what makes us human. It's wrong to follow our every sexual impulse just because it's "natural". You can't just get up and bang some chick on the table in some business meeting just because the urge strikes you.

Part of the reason the sexual marketplace is where it is, is because many guys have no impulse control, and thus have lower standards as well. Ive been guilty of it before...but I try to be better. I do definitely have lines I dont cross though.

Its right. All of it is right. After all, might makes right!

The smart exploit the ignorant. The strong feast upon the weak.
And it is just.


Now make like a good bleeder and throw some shaming terms at me; give yourself a false sense of accomplishment!

Alright then, Ill remember the next time I see you complain and try to swing a conversation into partisan buzzword commentary.

I'll simply say "might makes right" and that'll be the end of the conversation.

So right now, our nation's morals and laws (its might) says that Jared and men who think like him are criminals. It says that minors are to be protected and not exploited sexually. No need to delve much deeper than that.

The might of American law enforcement says we don't need long drawn out conversations about why Jared and his pedophile friend do what they do. Just toss em in jail and let them enjoy all the footlongs and mayonnaise they can handle.

And in prison we know how much might makes right ey? Enjoy the footlongs and extra mayo Jared

 

[logicallefty]

The might of American law enforcement says we don't need long drawn out conversations about why Jared and his pedophile friend do what they do. Just toss em in jail and let them enjoy all the footlongs and mayonnaise they can handle.

And in prison we know how much might makes right ey? Enjoy the footlongs and extra mayo Jared

That is true, we do not need "long drawn out conversations" to prove or disprove the allegations against Jared or anyone. What we do need are "systematic and objective fact finding investigations". As someone who works in law enforcement and who has done computer forensics on child porn cases, I do applaud Jared for making the decision to plead guilty on his own. Computer forensics at the legal/court level is a timely process even on the 'easy' cases. I.T. people and law enforcement people do not do it the same because there is so much documentation and rules to follow on a law enforcement case that I.T. cases are not necessarily bound to do. Jared could have had law enforcement spend dozens of hours doing a deep investigation when he knew he was already busted. Jared was certainly entitled to said investigation and had every right to say "prove it". But he obviously knew that the evidence would not speak in his favor.

 

[penkitten]

There are people who landed more jail time for cannabis than Jared did. What is wrong with our society?

 

[piranha45]

What is wrong with our society?

Excessive quantities of beta males.

 

[LiveFreeX]

A decadent/sex starved society creates this. We are teaching our 'of age' men and women to act like adolescents . A KOREAN-Canadian girl told me yesterday that she was only 20 years old (spoke in baby tones) and couldn't even fathom a relationship at this age. She said, maybe at 27 or 30 when her studies are completed, she will become romantically involved. She was blown away when my wife told her that in China, after 25, you are considered too OLD to marry, a LEFTOVER.

Stop enabling these b1tches you thirsty western pvssy beggars, 30 is not the new 20, never will be and should be treated as such. This notion of being single well into your old age is actually not cool and IS what is creating 90% of the problems we see today. Societies are built on young people, getting together and screwing their brains out, making TONS of babies and feeling an obligation to build a better world for said babies... not sex obsessed feminazis and MGTOWs running social experiments on gender constructs and societal order.

All of this type of bs would end if guys like Jared had married a feminine woman during her 20's instead of begging some old bag to throw him a bone. If you get it out of your system early on, its gone. If you never had it, its gonna be on your mind all the time. It's not completely his fault, society, western society and its horrible dysfunction owns about 75% of the blame.

Jaytran we all know you are special caste here.

 

[piranha45]

^Beta males.

My point exactly.

 

[Fatal Jay]

How much time they give this sick bast#rd

 

[zekko]

Yeah, in our society, it is considered wrong for an adult male to get with a 16 or 18 year old girl. The actual age depends on what state you live in. I don't think that there is anything inherently wrong, or intrinsically wrong with it. But it is wrong in the context of our society, and I don't have a problem with that.

I'm not sure what the punishment should be though. I'm sure it is too severe it some cases, maybe not severe enough in others. There was a thread on the general forum talking about a woman teacher who had sex with an underage male student and had gotten off with a slap on the wrist, basically. A lot of the guys in that thread were saying that was fine because the kid probably liked it anyway. But that's a double standard. Maybe the young girl victims enjoyed it also? The whole point of the law is that the kids are not old enough to decide themselves.

Subjects like this remind me of American Beauty. During the movie the hero is likable because he does what he wants and goes red-pill more or less. But at the end, when he realizes he can have the object of his desires (a teenager), he stops and considers the consequences and pulls back. Yes she has offered him her body, but she hasn't considered the consequences and he has, and the lesson is yes seize the day but also actions have reactions.

This is a fairly minor point, but if I recall that movie correctly, he pulls back when she reveals that she is a virgin. Before that, she had done some big talking, and he was okay with banging her when he thought she was a bit of a sleazy girl. It wasn't that she was a teenager that stopped him, it was that she was a virgin. He realized she still had an innocence that he didn't want to take.

 

[LiveFreeX]

I read his book, it looked funny from the cover but it was actually really boring and I guess subway helped him slim down initially but he ended up gaining it all back in the end. I guess it was previous to him getting married but it sounded like, in the end, he had some major emotional damage. I dunno though, if hes preying on kids as young as 6, its best to lock him up.
Ideally put him in a cell with rats, bugs, mold and two slices of bread and tell him to make a sandwich.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Jared gets 15 years:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...pitchman-pleads-guilty-child-porn-sex-n466256

I've never seen the judge give more than what prosecutors asked for.

They keep throwing around mention of a six-year-old. But it seems like the only underage people he had sex with were 15-17 y/o girls. 17 is legal in many states. And I doubt there's any of us here who wouldn't be attracted to at least some 15-16 y/o jail bait. If that's all he did, then this is a case of people trying to make themselves famous by putting someone famous in prison.

 

[LiveFreeX]

I'm really surprised at Americans who are on trial (that are about to go to jail forever). I don't understand why they don't skip town with a bunch of cash and start a new life elsewhere. There are tons of people around the world living under different identities, its not hard to do.

In the same situation (and if I knew the hammer was going to fall), I would be in Ecuador, Paraguay or Venezuela the very next day and sleeping under a bridge or in a tent in the jungle. I would bet he is a guilty, he doesn't have the brains to do anything clandestine as most criminals don't. Freedom in the 3rd world is still better than jail in the first (I've been there).

 

[logicallefty]

Jared gets 15 years:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...pitchman-pleads-guilty-child-porn-sex-n466256

I've never seen the judge give more than what prosecutors asked for.

They keep throwing around mention of a six-year-old. But it seems like the only underage people he had sex with were 15-17 y/o girls. 17 is legal in many states. And I doubt there's any of us here who wouldn't be attracted to at least some 15-16 y/o jail bait. If that's all he did, then this is a case of people trying to make themselves famous by putting someone famous in prison.

Supposedly there was some text message form Jared that said "the younger the better".. Hard to know if said text message is fact or fiction. I believe 17 is legal in Indiana where Jared is from but not sure about NYC where he traveled to..