SexPDX
Master Don Juan
Jake Steed came into town to visit family and he and I decided to meet up and do some field research in several different venues. It was a great experience, I think we both took a lot from it. Jake is a class act and very attentive as a wing. These outings were spead over Thursday and Friday and concentrated most heavily on streets, bars and clubs. I will provide a breakdown of the events from my vantage point and Jake can chime in when he gets a chance.
Jake and I are remarkably similar in our approach to the game and in our past experiences as well. We have each spent most of our PU careers going to PU places at PU times (clubs as an example) and being obvious about our approaches. We are starting to branch out more and more and our sarging sessions in Portland were a positive step towards embracing a new paradigm.
Also, personally I have fallen out of the loop in terms of frequency of approaching over the last few months and my skills have atrophied noticeably. This helped me get back up on it.
THE BARS
We met at a bar a couple blocks from where I am staying now. It was crazy to finally meet him IRL and even though I cannot explain it, he looks almost EXACTLY how I pictured him (didn't see a pic beforehand). 5'9'', leaned out, pale skin, dark hair. He carrys his sketchbook around with him. He was unique enough to be idenifiable so I motioned him over and said, "Can I buy you a beer or would that be AFC of me?"
Thursday night was mostly about getting accquainted and discussing plans for Friday but I decided it would be good to at least get a few approaches in so we went to a bar in Northwest Portland in an area we would return to the next day to sarge on the street. It was karoke night and we both put in for songs and Jake gets right up on it with approaching a 7 and an 8 sitting at a table. I hold off until he invites me.
Jake seemed to have rapport with the 7 more than the 8 so I focused on the 8 mostly. We conversed extemporaneously pretty well, seemed to have good rapport then the 8 decides to try to get me to supplicate by asking me to put in her song for her. I look down at the paper roll my eyes and put it back down, she gets the hint and goes to do it her damn self. When she came back we resumed our conversation. She was a cosmotology student, grew up in Portland, lived in LA for a little while, but all in all was not incredibly interesting to me. At one point in the conversation I looked closely at her hair at which time she started messing with it and asking me if it was okay. I put my fingers all up in it pretending to be fixing it for her, after looking at her roots and seeing that she was a natural blonde I commented on it and upped the ante on kino by touching her back as well.
Jake and I looked for some more groups to open up but there really wasn't too much else that interested us. When we got a chance to discuss the group we had already opened, Jake told me that the blonde gave him a similar sh1t test as well. It was going well enough that at least one of us should #close, but we really didn't communicate beforehand who was going to attempt what.
A while later, I run into my friend Chris who I had not seen in a long time who was there with his sister who I had not met. We caught up briefly and then the two of them joined our group while I was singing karaoke. According to Jake rapport dropped of sharply when Chris came in and on further reflection I agree based on how the girls were when I got back from singing. Chris seemed to be dropping hints for me to hook up with his sister which I felt weird about especially considering his sister, I found out when I talked to her, was only in town for a week. WTF? Is he trying to hook up an ONS for his sister?
Anyway it was time to bounce and I was going to #close the blonde but then Jake makes some reference to all of us seeing each other again and @closes the 7. For me to close on top of that would have just seemed to forced in that situation, so I let it go in the interest of not undoing what we had already done. Jake, we winged smoothly on that one, try to generate some follow up on that close before you leave town.
We returned to the bar we had originally met at for one last drink and some more PU discussion. Jake said that he has been in the habit of asking "how does that make you feel?" when the girl talks about an experience or something she does, etc. and I mentioned that I have in some ways moved away from asking QUESTIONS about FEELINGS and more towards making STATEMENTS about them. Juggler posted some advice to me on ASF that really helped and that was to speak from the heart. You can even talk about things that are bothering you if you talk about it the right way.
For example when girls ask me what I do for a living or I ask them, that is normally a pretty boring conversation but I turn it into a conversation about feelings by saying, "The semiconductor industry is in really bad shape, the size of my company as dwindled completely but I am relatively secure myself. I feel like everything around me is in chaos but at the same time I feel pretty secure...do you know the feeling I am talking about?"
Other than that we discussed our respective sticking points. Jake's main one (correct me if I am wrong) is flaking. What I found interesting is that he even gets this flaking after sexual SOI's from her. Jake, that is unchartered waters in my experience outside of dealing with drunk girls back in AFC days, all I can say is try to fvck them soon after those kinds of things happen...I mean soon as in...NOW! Mine are ASD and girls viewing me as a long term prospect.
THE STREET
We meet outside a coffee shop in Nortwest Portland, I saw Jake outside the place when I walked up on it and grabed him before going up to plaid pantry (about a block) to get smokes and gum. Jake was wearing a sleeveless T-Shirt exposing well-defined arms and I had just come from work and was wearing a plaid long-sleeved shirt with the sleeves rolled up and my collar popped out a couple bottons down exposing a chain, black lambskin shoes and I had about four days of facial hair growth. Together we had what I would consider pretty solid "crub appeal" to most chicks in this venue.
We said hi to girls along the way, just getting warmed up. Jake had his sketchbook so I thought it may be appropriate to carry something myself, perhaps a magazine, but I saw nothing that interested me. We returned to the coffee shop where I got a strawberry sorbet. While the drink was being prepared I began commenting on things around us and seeing what could be used later on in conversation (the aware state) and I explained to Jake (halfway taking a page from Ross) that we are in a desert, the people around us are walking while we have a Hummer with AC. By interacting with them we are inviting them into the Hummer, why wouldn't they want to come in?
We took a seat outside to observe the street before getting started. Then we stood and turned to the guy and girl at the table next to us and I opened by saying to the girl..
Nick: That's an interesting cigarette case, what is that design on there?
Her: It's a dragon (handing me the cigarette case)
Nick: Really, I can't tell (I really couldn't). Is this it's head right here?
Her: Actually I think that is it's ass.
Nick: I am embarassed now, I can't tell a dragon's head from it's ass!
We had a brief convo with them, the guy mentioned that he worked at a radio station, we talked about the moive Signs and other movies and their endings and whether or not they were a surprise. And ejected after a while with "nice to meet you" and headed down the street. Good warm up. Jake told me down the street that he recognized the guy's voice as one of the news anchors and since the girl had a guitar case suspected that she was some fledging musician that he was trying to kick it to. Had I had that read on the situation, I may have treated it a little differently.
We walk down the rest of the street with no approaches other than saying hi and went down a couple blocks. I explained to Jake that I like to anticipate situations and engineer the approach so that it appears natural. This is a must on streets, you got to move about the venue smoothly so that it is not quite so obvious what your intent is. This applies in all venues but a street is a good place to practice this dynamic because it is so important there. Also, if you can open well on the street (whether it be canned or spontaneous) you will have an easier time with it everywhere else.
We come down through a residential area onto the next major street and see two girls and one guy sitting outside some kind of vintage clothing store. They were kind of goth looking. I open with...
"Are you from here?...I haven't been in this part of town for a while I just want to know how often it is that you see RABBITS on the street...I saw five of them up by where I parked my car...is that normal?"
This starts a good conversation even though, like many effective street openers, it's totall BS. This one chick had streaks of purple in her hair, and purple shades and purple lipstick, so I commented on that and had an okay conversation. I got a vibe from them that they were kind of street grease and I was planning to eject soon out of disinterest.
Jake was not quite so involved in this approach and to be honest I don't blame him. He made himself scarce in the store until I was ready to eject and move on. Also, Jake, you almost botched my rabbit opener by pertending to not know what I was talking about
. Think about it, if I am so interested in these rabbits I puportedly just saw that I am talking to people I don't even KNOW about them, shouldn't the person I am walking down the street with already know about my rabbit sighting? 
It's all good, I was able to stumble through it.
Continued up the street. I noticed there was a woman walking behind us, she was not that hot but just for opener practice I slowed us down a little and turned around suddenly and said, "Are you trying to get by us, are we walking to slow for ya?" I made it obvious I was joking around, she laughed. Then I said..
"This unbelievebale, there is this restaurant up on 23rd that has something on the menu called sheep yogurt, have you ever heard of such a thing."
To which she responded, "really, that IS very interesting. I bet it's really bitter."
At the same time two younger more attractive girls came walk towards us and I only had time to say, "hey, what's up" and they ignored me.
In the next block there was a Thai restaurant I never knew was there (I like Thai food) and there was a girl eating by herself outside in a Yankee's cap (she was alright, don't you think, Jake?). I asked her how the food was there and talked to her about different Thai restaurants. I could not see from where I was standing but she had an open book in her lap. At a lull in the conversation I ejected out of conversational scarcity which was incredibly lame on my part and Jake was right to point that out to me. Why didn't I ask her about her Yankee's cap or something? Oh well.
Further up the street Jake open two very attractive yound girls eating sushi at an outside table of Koji Osakaya's by asking them how the food is, he brought me into it and I talked about how I used to eat at Koji's in Seattle and thought the softshell crab was pretty good, etc. Jake I think you made a good go of it, but I was having trouble winging you. Those chicks just didn't seem to want to talk no matter what either of us said.
Now back at the other end of the street we walk two blocks back up. Jake decides he want to go get a shake somewhere. We see two rather young looking girls 5 and 8 coming towards us with Starbuck's cups. We are in the outside seating area under the sidewalk canopy of an upscale restaurant, so we know we are going to have an audience for this one. Jake asks them where we can get a good shake and where they got what they were drinking, what they were drinking, etc.
The part that was really funny was that he asks them their names and they turn their plastic cups towards us which have their names written on them. I could not read the 5's name so I asked what it was. Before she could answer Jake says, "Yeah, I think they screwed up writing it, it looks like 'Valen' the way they got it." The hot one said, "Her name IS Valen."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Jake recovers by saying, "It's just such a unique name." Anyway after talking to them for a while with customers and waitstaff walking around our PU. We find out the hot one has a fiance. FIANCE?! Here I am wondering if these chicks are old enough for us to be PUing and she is engaged? Haha!
We end up going to Ben & Jerry's at a nearby shopping center for Jake's shake. We discuss tactics, seduction methods and other related topics and I told Jake that now that he has seen the way I like to approach (make it look natural), he may be able to see why I don't like to use Ross Jefferies style openers like..."Excuse me, I was just noticing that you are ABSOLUTELY STUNNING. And I had to take the chance to meet ther person inside. My name is..."
Just then he points out a hot girl walking a distance away and says, "Go use it on her. You'll crash with that but do it." I followed her down to Pottery Barn and she saw me and she saw me again outside where Jake caught up. I pussed out on this one. The whole time I was thinking about what I choad I was going to sound like and I hesitated. It's just not my stlye. Jake went and talked to her briefly but I think I ruined it because she knew something was up.
We were running out of time at this point before Jake had to be at a dinner, but we wanted to get a close. We moved closer into the heart of downtown where we approached two girls at Pioneer Square. I noticed there was a big blue letter 'i' in the middle of the square. I had a genuine curiostity what it was all about so I asked these two girls if they knew. They said that they didn't.
We began talking to them and they were pretty open to conversation. Evidently they just moved here from Washington, D.C. where they grew up together but were now going to different colleges in town here. One girl was an artist, so Jake pulls out his stechbook and asks her to draw me and she draws a cat face, LOL!. Since they were obviously somewhat anti-mainstream and anti-establishment Jake says, "Didn't I see you two in Abercrombie & Fitch last week?" They knew he was joking, but thought it was funny.
I starting talking to one of them about where she was from what she thinks of Portland and for some reason we got to talking about the world sitaution and what not and I asked her how it felt to be in D.C. last year and she said it really affected everyone and she went to NY just after the attacks and she didn't think it was the same to people out here. I said, "to those of us out here it made us feel as though NY and D.C. were not so far away anymore. Also, I think we all feel a greater sense of vulnerability now that we didn't before." She agreed with this and a few other things I said.
The artist girl went off on a long diatribe about art where I was totally out of my element but pretended to be very interested. I was waiting for Jake to initiate the "we have to leave" before I #closed the artist chick. They had just got into town a week ago and I said we should get together and I can't show them around a little and gave her one of my business cards to write her number on. Glad to at least have one street #close that day for all the girls we talked to.
Great field work day.
CONTINUED IN THE NEXT MESSAGE
[This message has been edited by SexPDX (edited 09-01-2002).]
Jake and I are remarkably similar in our approach to the game and in our past experiences as well. We have each spent most of our PU careers going to PU places at PU times (clubs as an example) and being obvious about our approaches. We are starting to branch out more and more and our sarging sessions in Portland were a positive step towards embracing a new paradigm.
Also, personally I have fallen out of the loop in terms of frequency of approaching over the last few months and my skills have atrophied noticeably. This helped me get back up on it.
THE BARS
We met at a bar a couple blocks from where I am staying now. It was crazy to finally meet him IRL and even though I cannot explain it, he looks almost EXACTLY how I pictured him (didn't see a pic beforehand). 5'9'', leaned out, pale skin, dark hair. He carrys his sketchbook around with him. He was unique enough to be idenifiable so I motioned him over and said, "Can I buy you a beer or would that be AFC of me?"
Thursday night was mostly about getting accquainted and discussing plans for Friday but I decided it would be good to at least get a few approaches in so we went to a bar in Northwest Portland in an area we would return to the next day to sarge on the street. It was karoke night and we both put in for songs and Jake gets right up on it with approaching a 7 and an 8 sitting at a table. I hold off until he invites me.
Jake seemed to have rapport with the 7 more than the 8 so I focused on the 8 mostly. We conversed extemporaneously pretty well, seemed to have good rapport then the 8 decides to try to get me to supplicate by asking me to put in her song for her. I look down at the paper roll my eyes and put it back down, she gets the hint and goes to do it her damn self. When she came back we resumed our conversation. She was a cosmotology student, grew up in Portland, lived in LA for a little while, but all in all was not incredibly interesting to me. At one point in the conversation I looked closely at her hair at which time she started messing with it and asking me if it was okay. I put my fingers all up in it pretending to be fixing it for her, after looking at her roots and seeing that she was a natural blonde I commented on it and upped the ante on kino by touching her back as well.
Jake and I looked for some more groups to open up but there really wasn't too much else that interested us. When we got a chance to discuss the group we had already opened, Jake told me that the blonde gave him a similar sh1t test as well. It was going well enough that at least one of us should #close, but we really didn't communicate beforehand who was going to attempt what.
A while later, I run into my friend Chris who I had not seen in a long time who was there with his sister who I had not met. We caught up briefly and then the two of them joined our group while I was singing karaoke. According to Jake rapport dropped of sharply when Chris came in and on further reflection I agree based on how the girls were when I got back from singing. Chris seemed to be dropping hints for me to hook up with his sister which I felt weird about especially considering his sister, I found out when I talked to her, was only in town for a week. WTF? Is he trying to hook up an ONS for his sister?
Anyway it was time to bounce and I was going to #close the blonde but then Jake makes some reference to all of us seeing each other again and @closes the 7. For me to close on top of that would have just seemed to forced in that situation, so I let it go in the interest of not undoing what we had already done. Jake, we winged smoothly on that one, try to generate some follow up on that close before you leave town.
We returned to the bar we had originally met at for one last drink and some more PU discussion. Jake said that he has been in the habit of asking "how does that make you feel?" when the girl talks about an experience or something she does, etc. and I mentioned that I have in some ways moved away from asking QUESTIONS about FEELINGS and more towards making STATEMENTS about them. Juggler posted some advice to me on ASF that really helped and that was to speak from the heart. You can even talk about things that are bothering you if you talk about it the right way.
For example when girls ask me what I do for a living or I ask them, that is normally a pretty boring conversation but I turn it into a conversation about feelings by saying, "The semiconductor industry is in really bad shape, the size of my company as dwindled completely but I am relatively secure myself. I feel like everything around me is in chaos but at the same time I feel pretty secure...do you know the feeling I am talking about?"
Other than that we discussed our respective sticking points. Jake's main one (correct me if I am wrong) is flaking. What I found interesting is that he even gets this flaking after sexual SOI's from her. Jake, that is unchartered waters in my experience outside of dealing with drunk girls back in AFC days, all I can say is try to fvck them soon after those kinds of things happen...I mean soon as in...NOW! Mine are ASD and girls viewing me as a long term prospect.
THE STREET
We meet outside a coffee shop in Nortwest Portland, I saw Jake outside the place when I walked up on it and grabed him before going up to plaid pantry (about a block) to get smokes and gum. Jake was wearing a sleeveless T-Shirt exposing well-defined arms and I had just come from work and was wearing a plaid long-sleeved shirt with the sleeves rolled up and my collar popped out a couple bottons down exposing a chain, black lambskin shoes and I had about four days of facial hair growth. Together we had what I would consider pretty solid "crub appeal" to most chicks in this venue.
We said hi to girls along the way, just getting warmed up. Jake had his sketchbook so I thought it may be appropriate to carry something myself, perhaps a magazine, but I saw nothing that interested me. We returned to the coffee shop where I got a strawberry sorbet. While the drink was being prepared I began commenting on things around us and seeing what could be used later on in conversation (the aware state) and I explained to Jake (halfway taking a page from Ross) that we are in a desert, the people around us are walking while we have a Hummer with AC. By interacting with them we are inviting them into the Hummer, why wouldn't they want to come in?
We took a seat outside to observe the street before getting started. Then we stood and turned to the guy and girl at the table next to us and I opened by saying to the girl..
Nick: That's an interesting cigarette case, what is that design on there?
Her: It's a dragon (handing me the cigarette case)
Nick: Really, I can't tell (I really couldn't). Is this it's head right here?
Her: Actually I think that is it's ass.
Nick: I am embarassed now, I can't tell a dragon's head from it's ass!
We had a brief convo with them, the guy mentioned that he worked at a radio station, we talked about the moive Signs and other movies and their endings and whether or not they were a surprise. And ejected after a while with "nice to meet you" and headed down the street. Good warm up. Jake told me down the street that he recognized the guy's voice as one of the news anchors and since the girl had a guitar case suspected that she was some fledging musician that he was trying to kick it to. Had I had that read on the situation, I may have treated it a little differently.
We walk down the rest of the street with no approaches other than saying hi and went down a couple blocks. I explained to Jake that I like to anticipate situations and engineer the approach so that it appears natural. This is a must on streets, you got to move about the venue smoothly so that it is not quite so obvious what your intent is. This applies in all venues but a street is a good place to practice this dynamic because it is so important there. Also, if you can open well on the street (whether it be canned or spontaneous) you will have an easier time with it everywhere else.
We come down through a residential area onto the next major street and see two girls and one guy sitting outside some kind of vintage clothing store. They were kind of goth looking. I open with...
"Are you from here?...I haven't been in this part of town for a while I just want to know how often it is that you see RABBITS on the street...I saw five of them up by where I parked my car...is that normal?"
This starts a good conversation even though, like many effective street openers, it's totall BS. This one chick had streaks of purple in her hair, and purple shades and purple lipstick, so I commented on that and had an okay conversation. I got a vibe from them that they were kind of street grease and I was planning to eject soon out of disinterest.
Jake was not quite so involved in this approach and to be honest I don't blame him. He made himself scarce in the store until I was ready to eject and move on. Also, Jake, you almost botched my rabbit opener by pertending to not know what I was talking about
It's all good, I was able to stumble through it.Continued up the street. I noticed there was a woman walking behind us, she was not that hot but just for opener practice I slowed us down a little and turned around suddenly and said, "Are you trying to get by us, are we walking to slow for ya?" I made it obvious I was joking around, she laughed. Then I said..
"This unbelievebale, there is this restaurant up on 23rd that has something on the menu called sheep yogurt, have you ever heard of such a thing."
To which she responded, "really, that IS very interesting. I bet it's really bitter."
At the same time two younger more attractive girls came walk towards us and I only had time to say, "hey, what's up" and they ignored me.
In the next block there was a Thai restaurant I never knew was there (I like Thai food) and there was a girl eating by herself outside in a Yankee's cap (she was alright, don't you think, Jake?). I asked her how the food was there and talked to her about different Thai restaurants. I could not see from where I was standing but she had an open book in her lap. At a lull in the conversation I ejected out of conversational scarcity which was incredibly lame on my part and Jake was right to point that out to me. Why didn't I ask her about her Yankee's cap or something? Oh well.
Further up the street Jake open two very attractive yound girls eating sushi at an outside table of Koji Osakaya's by asking them how the food is, he brought me into it and I talked about how I used to eat at Koji's in Seattle and thought the softshell crab was pretty good, etc. Jake I think you made a good go of it, but I was having trouble winging you. Those chicks just didn't seem to want to talk no matter what either of us said.
Now back at the other end of the street we walk two blocks back up. Jake decides he want to go get a shake somewhere. We see two rather young looking girls 5 and 8 coming towards us with Starbuck's cups. We are in the outside seating area under the sidewalk canopy of an upscale restaurant, so we know we are going to have an audience for this one. Jake asks them where we can get a good shake and where they got what they were drinking, what they were drinking, etc.
The part that was really funny was that he asks them their names and they turn their plastic cups towards us which have their names written on them. I could not read the 5's name so I asked what it was. Before she could answer Jake says, "Yeah, I think they screwed up writing it, it looks like 'Valen' the way they got it." The hot one said, "Her name IS Valen."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Jake recovers by saying, "It's just such a unique name." Anyway after talking to them for a while with customers and waitstaff walking around our PU. We find out the hot one has a fiance. FIANCE?! Here I am wondering if these chicks are old enough for us to be PUing and she is engaged? Haha!
We end up going to Ben & Jerry's at a nearby shopping center for Jake's shake. We discuss tactics, seduction methods and other related topics and I told Jake that now that he has seen the way I like to approach (make it look natural), he may be able to see why I don't like to use Ross Jefferies style openers like..."Excuse me, I was just noticing that you are ABSOLUTELY STUNNING. And I had to take the chance to meet ther person inside. My name is..."
Just then he points out a hot girl walking a distance away and says, "Go use it on her. You'll crash with that but do it." I followed her down to Pottery Barn and she saw me and she saw me again outside where Jake caught up. I pussed out on this one. The whole time I was thinking about what I choad I was going to sound like and I hesitated. It's just not my stlye. Jake went and talked to her briefly but I think I ruined it because she knew something was up.
We were running out of time at this point before Jake had to be at a dinner, but we wanted to get a close. We moved closer into the heart of downtown where we approached two girls at Pioneer Square. I noticed there was a big blue letter 'i' in the middle of the square. I had a genuine curiostity what it was all about so I asked these two girls if they knew. They said that they didn't.
We began talking to them and they were pretty open to conversation. Evidently they just moved here from Washington, D.C. where they grew up together but were now going to different colleges in town here. One girl was an artist, so Jake pulls out his stechbook and asks her to draw me and she draws a cat face, LOL!. Since they were obviously somewhat anti-mainstream and anti-establishment Jake says, "Didn't I see you two in Abercrombie & Fitch last week?" They knew he was joking, but thought it was funny.
I starting talking to one of them about where she was from what she thinks of Portland and for some reason we got to talking about the world sitaution and what not and I asked her how it felt to be in D.C. last year and she said it really affected everyone and she went to NY just after the attacks and she didn't think it was the same to people out here. I said, "to those of us out here it made us feel as though NY and D.C. were not so far away anymore. Also, I think we all feel a greater sense of vulnerability now that we didn't before." She agreed with this and a few other things I said.
The artist girl went off on a long diatribe about art where I was totally out of my element but pretended to be very interested. I was waiting for Jake to initiate the "we have to leave" before I #closed the artist chick. They had just got into town a week ago and I said we should get together and I can't show them around a little and gave her one of my business cards to write her number on. Glad to at least have one street #close that day for all the girls we talked to.
Great field work day.
CONTINUED IN THE NEXT MESSAGE
[This message has been edited by SexPDX (edited 09-01-2002).]
