I've hit a low point...

amazingswayze

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I'm starting to feel like no matter how hard I try, my game just isn't working well. I've went through some EXTREME self-improvement all in the span of a year. I'm not shy at all anymore, I work out regularly, I got my braces off, contacts... The list goes on and on! My personality and appearance have both skyrocketed and so has my game. My approaches, my rejections, my phone number count is all going up but I feel like it's getting me nowhere. I'm starting to feel like game isn't meant for me. :down:
My mom told me something a while ago. She said, " I know what type of person you are. You're probably going to meet one girl and stay with her. Just be patient." Meanwhile I'm out here trying to mack many girls. I feel like sometimes my mom knows me like a bad book. Maybe I'm not meant for this.
I'm trying to get a girlfriend (Never had a LTR) or at least some dates because I don't feel comfortable hooking up with girls randomly anymore... It never felt right. My experience amounts to 3 kisses, 1 ill make-out session (first kiss), and some heartbreak to go along with it (all before I found this site). It's almost like ever since I found SS it's been harder for me to get girls!
I'm not drowning in self-pity or anything but I hit these times where I just feel pessimistic. I'm doing everything I can to get girls but not yet I guess. One day...
What can I do to end this slump? Do you guys have any advice? :wave:
 

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dont worry that much.

I had zero experience with women until I was 21. Before that I just had one small make-out session, and one date with that chick LMAO...nothing more.

Then I started to read about PUA, david de angelo, etc...and then I got my first gf.

You have to look for girls but you dont have to OBSSESS OVER IT. Finding a chick to have a LTR with is not entirely up to you, there is a big % of luck involved.

So my advise is to improve yourself in all the aspects you can, be social, make friends, meet new people, try new hobbies (this is a biggie) where there are girls (like dancing, roller-blading, cooking...) and ENJOY YOUR LIFE, you have to be happy. If you're looking for a LTR but you're unhappy...well, girls will feel it and thus they will not want to be with you. You have to be in a good mood, and be happy to attract women.

In order to be happy you have to enjoy your life: have friends, hang out with them, enjoy your work or the money you get out of it, play soccer, play tennis...I dont know do stuff that you like. Please do not include videogames in this, they're a huge time waster.

And just be patiente in the meanwhile.
 

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MR.LPC said:
I'm starting to feel like no matter how hard I try, my game just isn't working well. I've went through some EXTREME self-improvement all in the span of a year. I'm not shy at all anymore, I work out regularly, I got my braces off, contacts... The list goes on and on! My personality and appearance have both skyrocketed and so has my game. My approaches, my rejections, my phone number count is all going up but I feel like it's getting me nowhere. I'm starting to feel like game isn't meant for me. :down:
My mom told me something a while ago. She said, " I know what type of person you are. You're probably going to meet one girl and stay with her. Just be patient." Meanwhile I'm out here trying to mack many girls. I feel like sometimes my mom knows me like a bad book. Maybe I'm not meant for this.
I'm trying to get a girlfriend (Never had a LTR) or at least some dates because I don't feel comfortable hooking up with girls randomly anymore... It never felt right. My experience amounts to 3 kisses, 1 ill make-out session (first kiss), and some heartbreak to go along with it (all before I found this site). It's almost like ever since I found SS it's been harder for me to get girls!
I'm not drowning in self-pity or anything but I hit these times where I just feel pessimistic. I'm doing everything I can to get girls but not yet I guess. One day...
What can I do to end this slump? Do you guys have any advice? :wave:
Our mothers advice on dating usually sounds logical but is almost always counter productive, and her advice is bad but not necessarily for the reasons you 'd think. She's judging who you are now and what you've shown in your life thus far (not sure but guessing you are pretty young), which is a mistake because you are not the finished product, your self exploration and improvement will change you and if you do it right for the better. From your short post I'm going to address some things that stood out to me.

1) No one is built fully for one thing or the other, we are molded by life experiences and by circumstances and the biggest factor in your life is you. You are in control, you can change your outlook, you can change your goals but you have to search and work to find what will make you happy. Self defeatism, and trying to live by others definitions or to others perceived standards or expectations only act as constraints for our development and understanding of ourselves and thus the world. Which brings me to the second point.

2) This forum and other advice and posts you see are just advice and general guidelines, you have to find what works for you and just knowing and using general guidelines is not going to take you from A to Z, you have to live your truth and experience your own journey. The world and social interactions are incredibly complex, interpreting/adjusting and implementing ways to positively effect your relationships is a framework that you have to master over time, there is no single correct answer, its about general overall strategy which comes from really grasping the concepts hinted at and read about. The most important aspect is underlying acceptance of yourself, when you accept yourself, when you are confident you don't let anyone rock your ship because you have strong foundations.

3) You've made strides from the sounds of it, but humans by nature are very good at protecting our ego's for evolutionary and self preservation reasons. If we allow ourselves to look inward and we don't like what we are seeing or lose a sense of our identity it can be dangerous, so we improve our appearance, put ourselves in positions to be successful but if we fail we instinctively look for external reasons and reasons that are safer to our ego. The point of that is, you still have work to do and until you work on the most difficult inner stuff you will have a hard time making the progression you'd like. But the good thing is (and I feel like I recently did this) you can do it, you can break free from the constraints and you can do more to get out of your own way. And the journey can be long and painstaking but it really doesn't have to be if you can accept that there is no fate, there is no limitations placed on you, then all the work you want to do and all the expectations or short comings you might feel will melt away and you'll move like a hot knife through butter.

What I got from your post is that I think you are missing the most important step, you are not confident enough because you are probably memorizing or working on the superficial aspects more then the inner mindset that will make you happy. The game feels superficial and you don't feel built for what you are doing? Then you are right, the game you are running is not for you, take the concepts and mold them into what makes you happy, what makes others happy won't necessarily work for you. But it sounds like you have realized that in some form, whether you consciously understand it or not. People living by what society, their friends or others tell them is success never get it, you can only find and pursue what makes you happy, sure there are similarities but we are all infinitely complex constantly moving parts so don't box yourself in you are in charge!

You can't cheat this process, well actually you can to some degree, but you can only cheat the superficial "easier" steps. You can skip bulking up, you can skip getting 100 numbers and you can skip banging x amount of girls, but you cannot skip the mindset that you control your own fate or that you define and mold your own happiness. Increasing the amount of girls you sleep with or numbers you get won't make you happy unless that is really what you want.

Until you are happy and content with yourself in your own universe you'll always be working at the whim of others, which is not where you want to be. Once you have confidence and once you understand and grasp what its all about it will make sense and the universe will move in perfect harmony. The key is you are your own universe, you can move the stars and create whatever you want, create your own world. And that power is what leads to true happiness and living an amazing life (and you have find out what that means to you) and in turn that attracts women, you are a master of your universe and you can create whatever you want. Many of this forum call it being an alpha, that touches on it but its not about dominance or aggression for me. When you get it, its like you know a secret, you can create a party wherever you are, you make things happen because why the **** not? You are with a woman and you can create an alternate universe for only the two of you to play in, you can create an amazingly memorable and spontaneous adventure anywhere for yourself and/or whoever is with you. That is true value, and people who can do that are magnetic to women.
 

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skinnyguy said:
When you stop looking for puss, it finds you
This is right. I know that there's a ton of sh*t on here about getting girls, but you can't devote your time to them. You need to work on yourself. Find hobbies, friends, etc., and pursue them.

Also, about what your mom is saying, you're not going to be who you were "destined" to be after the self-improvement. For example, I no longer match my astrological stuff. I had subscribed to a bunch of pages on Tumblr, and now the horoscopes and stuff aren't even worth my time because I'm not anything like my astrological self. My parents also think that I'm still like I was before. My mom thinks I'm this super nice guy, when now I'm like you: trying to get p*ssy left and right.

You say you don't have much experience, but I've only just recently gotten my first kiss (and first girlfriend). Both were pathetic and could easily not be counted. You also say you don't think you're cut out for spinning plates. Not every one is, and that's ok. Being a Don Juan is about spinning plates. If you really want a LTR, check up on Anti-Dump's stuff. There's plenty of posts of his (and others on the forums) about seeking a LTR instead of plates.

I wish you luck. I was having similar thoughts before, as you can see by a couple of my posts. If you need to talk, PM me or talk to me on Kik (DoctorCoops).
 

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Good Advice!

You guys have some really helpful words. I know its only a matter of time. Thing is, I'm just impatient right now, in the present. I still have work to do. The self-improvement should never stop.
I guess I should just care less about getting girls. I'm 17 though man, and I can't get em' off my mind. I just wanna have these experiences I so deeply desire already. The Book of Pook is by far the most influential piece of literature I've read on this site so far (imo). His posts like 'Kill That Desperation' and 'Be a Man!' stick out to me, among others. These are the mindsets I need to adopt, only thing is, I can't help but be obsessed with girls right now!!! Why??? What can I do???
 

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MR.LPC said:
You guys have some really helpful words. I know its only a matter of time. Thing is, I'm just impatient right now, in the present. I still have work to do. The self-improvement should never stop.
I guess I should just care less about getting girls. I'm 17 though man, and I can't get em' off my mind. I just wanna have these experiences I so deeply desire already. The Book of Pook is by far the most influential piece of literature I've read on this site so far (imo). His posts like 'Kill That Desperation' and 'Be a Man!' stick out to me, among others. These are the mindsets I need to adopt, only thing is, I can't help but be obsessed with girls right now!!! Why??? What can I do???
I couldn't agree with you more. It's probably one of the things I want most... meanwhile, everyone's telling me that it's not worth it, blah blah. I think we're just going to get everything we want, and then it's going to not be anything great and we'll stop caring as much. What we need is experience.
 

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Well what your mother said is not bad and you may find a girl with whom you can build a future. But there is the "grass is greener" thing (and sometimes it actually is) couse it will be your first love, and us men only grow through love so you must not be very grown, although this is not a bad thing. You're happy now enjoy it. If you think you ain't, you are believe me.


Like you're Level 2 Barbarian, slaying lvl 1 creeps thinking youre the real deal, Im a Level 5 Necro and almost the same, while some of the older guys here are 50 + Sorcs and laughing at weaklings :D.

Sex does not change you in any way (...well theres STDs), while love changes you for the better no matter how vile it ends up being. Stop looking for pvssy.

Then, some girl will come in your presence, thinking "How is this guy even alive? I wander how peeps like him havent fallen down and broken their heads yet.", see women like raw plaster, you will not even srsly consider her an option, and at that point you will sleep with her and it will "just happen". A month later you will be in love and terribly afraid to admit it. Keeping quiet is always a good thing so...

After you fuk it up youll be good to go in life. By good to go in life I mean good deal sadder but wiser.
 

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I forgot, try to restrict porn/jerking off to once every 10-15days. It will help.

You're kind of obssessed now cause you're 17 and have zero experience lol its totally normal.

Just keep improving yourself, have fun, try to pick up chicks from time to time, read rationalmale.com and be patiente.
 

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Let’s break this down, niiice an simple like.

a) Listen to the words you are saying to yourself. Your internal monologue dictates your life, actions and outcomes.

Let’s list a few of them out:
-No matter how hard I try
-My game isn’t working
-My experience amounts to 3 kisses, 1 ill make-out session (first kiss), and some heartbreak to go along with it (all before I found this site). It's almost like ever since I found SS it's been harder for me to get girls!


These are all negative mindsets that are swelling your emotions and those are dictating your behaviours, especially around other people. People, men and women, can smell desperation and fear on you like a hot mess on your shoe, no matter how you try to package it up.

b) You’re listening to advice from your Mum. She is very well intentioned, no doubt. But her perspective is antiquated. Conventional wisdom (among some men) is that it is largely a bad idea for a man to take advice on women, from women. Even your own Mother. I am generally on board with this idea. They take the feminine perspective which, to all intents and purposes, is not the masculine. Often nothing wrong with the intention and sometimes the advice is pretty sound. But the best advice for men, usually comes from other men – men who GET women.


Now then Sunshine, the fun part; time for the turnabout face, as follows.

i) Owing to point (a), here are some alternative mindsets to feed in to your internal script which you will have to recite every day until you start seeing results.

I take the opportunity to derive antithesis from the list above:
-I will do all the right things to attract the things and people I want in to my existence.
-My own internal self-worth feeds the appreciation I show to others, those that reciprocate that appreciation while maintaining their own self-worth.
-I’ve had some great experiences in the past and I would like more. My own self-improvement will ensure that I find new experiences. Some of my experiences will help me to avoid mistakes I have made in the past because I am able to reflect and learn from experience past and present.



Notice the difference. Your language focuses on all the things that aren’t working, that are going/have gone wrong, that you don’t have. Mine focuses on all the things that you are quite capable of, the things you are doing and the life you can have.

ii) With view to (b), spend time with other men. Successful men. Take their advice. Because they are the ones who have experiences similar to your own with women; other women don’t. They are the ones who will show you how to be a man. Keep notes of things that have worked for you in the past, or even after a night out having met people; men and women. Find out what people respond to best and work with it to mould your own (more positive) frame of reference.

This takes a lot of practice. Maybe years. I still tells myself positive shtick to this very day and probably always will to an extent. If you believe it will work, you stick at it, you will see positive outcomes. What skinnyguy said is also spot on. Thinking about, worrying about and chasing women doesn’t achieve anything. Not paying it too much attention does work. It takes patience. A lot of patience and maintenance – always. It gradually becomes more natural.

You’ve obviously sorted yourself out physically. Your last hurdle is what’s going on in your mind.
 

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All I ever needed was mindset.

TheMonkeyKing said:
Let’s break this down, niiice an simple like.

I take the opportunity to derive antithesis from the list above:
-I will do all the right things to attract the things and people I want in to my existence.
-My own internal self-worth feeds the appreciation I show to others, those that reciprocate that appreciation while maintaining their own self-worth.
-I’ve had some great experiences in the past and I would like more. My own self-improvement will ensure that I find new experiences. Some of my experiences will help me to avoid mistakes I have made in the past because I am able to reflect and learn from experience past and present.



Notice the difference. Your language focuses on all the things that aren’t working, that are going/have gone wrong, that you don’t have. Mine focuses on all the things that you are quite capable of, the things you are doing and the life you can have.

This takes a lot of practice. Maybe years. I still tells myself positive shtick to this very day and probably always will to an extent. If you believe it will work, you stick at it, you will see positive outcomes. What skinnyguy said is also spot on. Thinking about, worrying about and chasing women doesn’t achieve anything. Not paying it too much attention does work. It takes patience. A lot of patience and maintenance – always. It gradually becomes more natural.

You’ve obviously sorted yourself out physically. Your last hurdle is what’s going on in your mind.
It's taken me a while to realize this, but I've always been good enough exactly the way I am. The problem lies in my thoughts. I passed up on so many girls who did like me in the past out of fear and my unnecessarily high standards. I feel like **** knowing that I have to learn all this the hard way, but hey, it's life.
Thank you.
 
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