It's not that complicated, people

[The Juan and only]

Dbot, I hear what you're saying but it sounds like you're doing half of the stuff automatically, without even realising it.

For a start being able to just walk up to a girl you like without having a mini panic attack (which is something I've only just become confortable with) comes from good inner game; something often talked about on sosuave. Also, the way you communicate suggests at least some alpha male tendancies.

ok sure, after spending some time on the site it might seem like a lot of the stuff is unneccessary or even wrong, but these tecniques are just training wheels to get you started. If you ask me, attracting women is 90% inner game - which you can build up by reading the good seduction material out there, again maybe without realising it. Also the stuff you just skipped past (i.e making fun of her, playing with her emotions) perhaps isn's such a simple idea and let me tell you, If you don't know how to do it right then you can certainly screw things up.

 

[organizedconfusion]

Originally posted by The Juan and only
... Also, the way you communicate suggests at least some alpha male tendancies.

Really?
I thought boasting ,whigning,approval/validation seeking
and woofin' were all traits that scream out massive insecurity?
Oh well, I guess even AFC's need a leader to their pack ..


For someone that gets laid as much as they claim, he sure
does paint a picture of himself being really defensive and a
bitter person ..did i forget ignorant and close minded?

READ his post/replys CAREFULLY , it reads more like a desperate
cry for approval and recognition then actually about posting
a 'helpfull tip'.

 

[pimpfromdayone]

OK, analyzing people over an internet bulletin board is stupid. I really don't care what his motives are for posting that or HOW he came to be successful, but after thinking about it, he is exactly right. I thought a couple seconds, and realized, the word
"mindfu-ck" is a beautiful word for the art of seduction, because that's what you literally are doing. Nice job dbot.
He's also right about the experience thing. Experience is the absolute only way you can become successful with women, and if you think about it, it's the ONLY thing you need. We talk theories here and it is great and very helpful, but if you never apply it, you never get the chicks.

 

[dbot]

Originally posted by organizedconfusion
Really?
I thought boasting ,whigning,approval/validation seeking
and woofin' were all traits that scream out massive insecurity?
Oh well, I guess even AFC's need a leader to their pack ..


For someone that gets laid as much as they claim, he sure
does paint a picture of himself being really defensive and a
bitter person ..did i forget ignorant and close minded?

READ his post/replys CAREFULLY , it reads more like a desperate
cry for approval and recognition then actually about posting
a 'helpfull tip'.

I don't deny the fact that I'm ignorant in many areas. After all, I'm only 19 years old. As for me being insecure, it's a definite possibility considering I've been insecure my whole life, but I know I've overcome the majority of those issues. But be careful not to confuse my candor with arrogance, because there's a huge difference.

I not closed minded, however. I've used almost everything talked about here, and most of it turned out to be way to thought out and calculated for me to be a normal person As I said before, you can do whatever you want if it helps, but I'll stick to my simple ways.

To adress a few more issues:

I'm definitely a bitter person. It's a part of my personality that I like, and other people like about me. I'm the guy that can always give you one good reason why everything you love totally sucks! How awesome is that?

I'm definitely NOT an alpha male. I really hate discussing this term, because everyone seems to have their own definition. In humans, an alpha male is the dominant male; the one who knows what he wants and is in control of himself and his life. He doesn't necessarily get lots of women, though it's probable. The fact that I do get women doesn't make me alpha, it just means I've put my dignity on the line so many times that I'm now 100% confident in myself. I still have little direction or even the slightest idea as to what I want to do with my life, even after a year and a half in college. That isn't to say I couldn't be an alpha male at some point. We're not wild animals where our "alphaness" depends completely on our physical strength. Anyone can be an alpha male, they just have to take control of their lives.

To The Juan and Only: How do you think I got my "inner game"? I sure as hell wasn't born with it. If you talk to women enough, your subconscious will do all the work, you won't have to take notes.

To organizedconfusion: I really do appreciate your psychoanalysis... I'm not being sarcastic at all. I rarely analyze my own actions so it helps to see what other people think of me. I'll continue to keep an eye on this thread to adress any concerns or reply to pms.

 

[LJC]

Originally posted by dbot
Don't get too defensive now, buddy....However, I stand by every word I said. The majority of the advice on these forums are way too analytical, including a lot of stuff in your bible.

As I've already said, I fully agree. I've agreed with that right from my first post on this thread. I'm not being defensive on this in the least. Stop telling me all about it. I'm not attacking it. Stop trying to defend it. Stop clinging to that argument.

If that's the case, then wtf is your problem?

If you would have come in here to simply say things were too complicated, I probibly would have never responded to this thread. But you didn't do that. You went on to call it BS. You went on to tell people to STFU about it. Maybe you've changed your tune since your first post, I don't know, but that's the issue here and that's what I'm trying to discuss.

And while I may be running "simple game" compared to a veteran such as yourself, getting laid whenever the f*ck I want is enough for me. I think I'll be sticking to the simple game.

I've already said that the stuff that I actually use on this site was simply by chance, largely unknown of and random to me. Prior to finding this site, I believed then more so than you do now that my own game was super simple. Not much has changed over these years except the fact that I realize my game wasn't as "simple" as I had first thought, while I have made no efforts to "complicate" it either.

The point here is that there is no such thing as simple or complicated game. Those catagories do not exist. The only thing that is simple or complicated is how you look at it, because we all use this sh-t whether you realize it or not, even you, oh grand p-ssy master. Even you.

So I think you're wrong to come in here and tell guys who have a severely f-cked up style that these "techniques" are BS and not required (anyone who reads your first post will get that impression), when the real issue is that you don't realize how much you're actually using this sh-t in your so called "simple" game.

SANTA'S NOT REAL?!?! HOLY SH*T!!!!

No. Mamma lied to you. Kind of like when she told you you were handsome.

 

[dbot]

Originally posted by LJC
The point here is that there is no such thing as simple or complicated game. Those catagories do not exist. The only thing that is simple or complicated is how you look at it, because we all use this sh-t whether you realize it or not, even you, oh grand p-ssy master. Even you.

I agree with you that I use this stuff whether I'm conscious about it or not. What I'm saying is that all those things like KINO and ****y/funny become automatic as you get more comfortable around women. If you're constantly asking yourself if what she just did was an IOI and maybe you should squeeze her arm or give her a playful nudge while you poke fun at her earrings, then no, you probably shouldnt be thinking about it so much.

So I think you're wrong to come in here and tell guys who have a severely f-cked up style that these "techniques" are BS and not required (anyone who reads your first post will get that impression), when the real issue is that you don't realize how much you're actually using this sh-t in your so called "simple" game.

I said they were BS because they ARE BS. People will endlessly discuss things like "how to be an alpha male" and "how to use KINO effectively" and "tips for being ****y/funny," etc. Nobody should be thinking about that stuff. Yes you have to do it, but its something that comes automatic with experience. Anything that you should be concerned about I outlined in the post. And if there are people dumb enough to think I was saying the techniques don't work, then maybe they'll forget about them and just focus on what's important

 

[ADifferentKindofDJ]

Two observations.....

1. This is exactly what I would expect a 19yo to say who is macking the chicks. So why are you here if you don't need this info?? Case and point: We are not born into the same skills/status. Many of us have to work at it.

Just think of that guitar player who seems to have never practiced but can play the sh!t out of his guitar. <Insert any famous sports player> that seems to have been born to play their sport.

2. He is right that we tend to over analyze. Understanding is the beginning of our journey towards what ever it is that we are looking for. (Sleeping around or that LTR you're looking for.)

Anyway, nice post. In the end we'll all make if we try.

ADKdj

 

[Holland]

Cause it's easy, once you know how it's done.

The right attitude and some experience is all you need. All those people talking about tactics blablabla outer game and ****.
If you just behave like a relaxed normal person everything will work itself out over time. Inner game is almost all you need. 99% and if not, more.

 

[THE_ADDMAN]

there is a basic science (or art) underlying every technique brought to light on here. once you understand that science and why it works, you wont need the technique.

a technique is only an extention of your personality.
thats why they dont work if your personality doesnt match (incongruence). its also why you dont need techniques if your personality is strong enough to extend itself... get your game tight AND natural and theres only 1 kind of "extention" you'll need to give her

 

[pimpfromdayone]

Well, if you think about it, most guys really suck at this game, and when they DO score, it is with drunk bit-ches, and that hardly counts for anything. The other people just happen to get lucky and find some girl they start a relationship with and date for years and years, because they have no idea how to get another girl. On this board, we're trying to replace luck with skill so people can take control of their dam-n lives and get what they want out of women, whatever that may be. So, I think this website is beneficial to many people.

 

[Ricky]

I did like this post, but guess what to become an expert, you can read and apply and be willing to try anything.

Persistence and the numbers game will win some battles and some of these techniques will produce more consistent results

With that I'm showering and headed out to a bar for an hour or two to sarge even though it's only Tuesday!

 

[Dimebag_Darrell]

I've been laid so much by so many filthy trashy h*ebags to fine ass wash that p*ssy every day h*ebags that now I need tips on how to seduce my penis into getting up...

 

[LJC]

Originally posted by dbot


I said they were BS because they ARE BS. People will endlessly discuss things like "how to be an alpha male" and "how to use KINO effectively" and "tips for being ****y/funny," etc. Nobody should be thinking about that stuff. Yes you have to do it, but its something that comes automatic with experience.

I was simply defending the concepts, not individualized over-anaylizing posts, which you seem to keep thinking I support. You came in here saying kino, alpha, ect. was BS. I disagreed. It's really that simple. Everything else we agree upon.

You've already agreed these things are in fact part of the big picture, so I'm all good.

 

[hustler]

my hats off to dbot . methods are nice but believing you can be a DJ is the first step. in a world of harrassment suits, its kinda hard saying what you want to a woman, but dbot found out that even without all these so called "secrets", you can get laid so easily.
i'm on vacation and i slept with 3 women in one week. yes, i have plenty of condoms and practice safe sex. women are HORNY and want you even if it is for one night.

 

[pimpfromdayone]

If you actually worry about sexual harassment suits you're not a don juan.... not saying you do, but I've never heard of anyone actually getting sued for SAYING something to a girl. As far as touching, you can still do almost anything as long as she is showing interest.... don't like go straight for her pus-sy, haha.

Getting laid always has been and always will be easy. Finding a QUALITY girl to start a relationship with and lay on a regular basis is the hard part.
I mean, if I were really desperate, all I'd have to do is go to one of the many college parties in my area and bang some drunk chick there, and of the young guys who have had sex, I'd say at least 50% of them were with drunk bit-ches. Clubs and bars were basically DESIGNED for meetings between members of the opposite sex. Girls go there many times for the same reason as guys. That said, dbot says he can go into everyday places like bookstores and convenient stores to get chicks and that is definitely some skill. I'd pin the percentage of guys who can or have done that at no more than 1%.

 

[Brak86]

i actually agree with a lot of what you say, dbot . Although i only know you from a forum on seducing women, you seems like a pretty articulate person.

As i have gotten more confident in myself, i have realized that what dbot says is true. BUT, i wouldnt be anywhere without this site as a "kickstart." I was totally oblivious, totally seduction-illiterate before i read the DJ Bible. Dbot, you say that some of the bible and posts are too analytical, and i agree with you somewhat, but tehy need to be somewhat analyitical for the rookie aspiring DJs. Although i dont like using other peoples lines or tips very much, i needed examples, i needed to see something along the lines of what was successful and what worked. I am very happy that i found this site, and yet after the fundamentals which it taught me, its up to me to become what i want to become.

 

[SonOfTheMostHigh]

I think the key people are missing is that, many guys need support...

As in the have had such messed up upbringings or beat themselves up so bad they acquired too many negative beliefs, IMHO these forums definiteley help guys get rid of those so they can get out there and practice.

This site is just a stepping stone. BTW the dj bible does help guys overcome their problems (shyness, etc) it gives them a structured way to practice, and it gives them a boost to commit themselves to overcoming their own mental barriers, fear, anxiety, shyness, antisocial tendencies, etc.

While getting laid is not hard, it is for someone who's never been a very social person at all or who has problems understanding people intuitively and how to cause feelings in other people.

 

[BingoBango]

Dbot is the man

I wholeheartedly agree with dbot. In fact, i think people should read the bible, read pook, read what dbot just said, then leave (ok come here for support etc sometimes, but not too much).

This site is a GREAT site in the sense that it gives hope to losers. I'm not being negative. I mean a loser in a literal sense, is someone who loses at something (like losing out in the dating game.) Dont get angry with me, yes i have been an AFC. And i mean an 'AFC' in the true sense of it: average - meaning had a few girlfriends, ****ed a few chicks, but have still been relatively clueless and often frustated.

Because the bible material is so good, and so inspiring, the temptation with this site is to sit here and read and read and read... more and more theories, more and more elaborate... and think that somehow like magic everything will work out... the temptation is to think that reading crap on here will do the work for you.

But... IT WON'T.

Who says 'kino' and 'alpha male' and 'AFC' and all that **** in real life (day to day direct person to person contact)? These terms have their place (like on this site), but it's important to stay grounded and in the real world. Just as analysis has its place, so does realising the simplicity of it all.

What dbot offers us here is real world advice. And it's real world advice (as opposed to over-analysing) that is truly valuable.

I think this site is fantastic, i'm sure it has inspired thousands. It has certainly inspired me. But the site's value is limited - no amount of reading does the work for you.

I hope i havent offended anyone. Try to keep an open mind, as i will, if u disagree.

But that's my opinion, and i welcome yours.

 

[librito]

DBOT FOR PRESIDENT.............
enough said already. the only people who are allowed to flame dbot are the ones who have being in this site longer than him. DBOT knows his ****.
I guess he is using the K.I.S.S method which is the best method when it comes to dealing with women. . Keep It Simple Stupid.

 

[yic17]

I am the son of Rage and Love, the Jesus of Suburbia!!

... great post dbot!!