Its either 0 or 100

[Mike32ct]

Yup. Aint this the truth smdh......The in between guys get friend zoned or mixed signaled.

That’s why you should run from any chick that tells you that, “You’re not a bad looking guy.”

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

There is no point dating an American girl unless the girl is at 100% interest level. Anything less than a 100% might as well be a zero percent. Western women have so many options that they have become capricious for all but the most desirable men. This is all you need to know about modern women. We keep thinking that we will smash that 75% interest girl. You won't. Ever.....well maybe when she runs out of options in 5 yrs. Or maybe when she is black out drunk and immediately regrets it the next day.

When a girl likes you it is unexplainable. Most of the work is already done for you. We think that our "game" got the girl. No it didn't. Your game is the icing on the cake. Take a one night stand for example. Most of the time a girl was already planning on going home with a guy. She was in that type of messed up mental space BEFORE she went to the bar. It just took a halfway decent guy who was her "type" to close the deal.

Most of the time a girl already has a strong deeply idiosyncratic predisposition to a certain type of guy. Often this guy reminds her of a family member. The guy might be a member of the racial group she strongly fetishizes. The guy might remind her of a guy that used to abuse her and she is into that. The guy might be high status and she might be a gold digger.

There are many guys that are perfect on paper. Tall, good job, good social skills etc.They go on a date with the girl but the girl just doesn't feel the spark. She knows he is good on paper but he just doesn't do it for her. She has very personal preferences that are not tied to logic. That guy could be an objective 10/10 but just not to her. Girls also reject guys who are too high quality because of insecurity. THEY ARE CHAOS.....dont take them too serious.

This is partially correct imo.

Women have standards and make assumptions, like all of us. You might assume that 10 is hot, but then you get to know her and find out she has a terrible personality. Your boner dies and you feel natural aversion. The opposite can occur, you meet a 7, get to know her, and find out her strengths line up with your values so she becomes a 10 in your eyes.

The same applies for women. You may meet a 10, she may assume you to be a 6, but she loves your attitude or some other attributes, so you become a 10 in her eyes and she fuucks your brains out.

It boils down to keeping your mind open to the possibilities and projecting your reality. If you think your charm is weak, then it is. If your goal is sex at any expense then you don't care what kind of stupid hoops you have to jump through. If your goal is something deeper then naturally you'll be filtering out a lot of women.

I've smashed girls that weren't head over heels for me, they just wanted to be railed, they didn't care who it was. And sex is really meaningless to some women. It's easy for them so they may hold out or if they're half interested they may give it to you to see how you act, how you enjoy yourself with their body, to take a closer look at your character.

Don't be so quick to generalize all women, all situations, and all their goals. They are as diverse as we are. Most importantly don't defeat yourself, assume all women are interested and that you're charm is impeccable. If they show that they aren't interested then they must be going through some blinding personal issues.

Never internalize rejection.

 

[Pandora]

This is partially correct imo.

Women have standards and make assumptions, like all of us. You might assume that 10 is hot, but then you get to know her and find out she has a terrible personality. Your boner dies and you feel natural aversion. The opposite can occur, you meet a 7, get to know her, and find out her strengths line up with your values so she becomes a 10 in your eyes.

The same applies for women. You may meet a 10, she may assume you to be a 6, but she loves your attitude or some other attributes, so you become a 10 in her eyes and she fuucks your brains out.

It boils down to keeping your mind open to the possibilities and projecting your reality. If you think your charm is weak, then it is. If your goal is sex at any expense then you don't care what kind of stupid hoops you have to jump through. If your goal is something deeper then naturally you'll be filtering out a lot of women.

I've smashed girls that weren't head over heels for me, they just wanted to be railed, they didn't care who it was. And sex is really meaningless to some women. It's easy for them so they may hold out or if they're half interested they may give it to you to see how you act, how you enjoy yourself with their body, to take a closer look at your character.

Don't be so quick to generalize all women, all situations, and all their goals. They are as diverse as we are. Most importantly don't defeat yourself, assume all women are interested and that you're charm is impeccable. If they show that they aren't interested then they must be going through some blinding personal issues.

Never internalize rejection.

I hear you. You are correct when referring to a situation where you get to see the girl over and over again. The proximity effect is real especially if you have social proof within the group ( boss at work).

I am mostly referring to cold approaches in bars and day game. Or just meeting her once at a party.

I agree though that women are diverse. I think my experience may be a lot different than yours because i am a racial minority. You may have had better luck converting the maybe girls into yes girls. I dont know if that is typical though.

 

[glass half full]

That’s why you should run from any chick that tells you that, “You’re not a bad looking guy.”

When I get told this, I reply w/ an obnoxious sneer...
i.e. "busted" lmao

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Bro I understand what you are saying. But I disagree. How many times have you pulled an 8/10 college peak SMV girl based on game alone. Go to a bar with hot chicks. Go up to a girl with your best game. Let me know how that works for you my brotha. I have done this many times. I have better game than 95% of men on here. And it fails miserably. You dont end up smashing them most of the time. This is what happens when your game is 100/100 but you are not her physical type.

You end up making her laugh because you are charming. Her friends find you entertaining because you are funny and confident. She may return your texts and you may end up hanging out. Now you are just her ego boost and little prize. You are her charismatic monkey. You have to now listen to her talk about her dysfunctional life. Years later after being stuck in friend zone hell....you then maybe have sex with her.

Was it worth it? No.

Now with uglier girls yes game MAY work. But the hot girls have so many options that they can find the guy they like physically that ALSO has game dude. This is not fatalism. This is experience talking.

If you ain't hittin it you have NOTHING. There is no shame or stigma in them slvtting it up. Women WILL fvck who they want to, and it's always SOMEBODY. She will let a lot of other attractive, charismatic, and funny men "entertain" her while she waits to be fvcked by the man she REALLY desires.

You fed her all of this attraction, charm and charisma that could've been used in a more fruitful situation.

 

[AttackFormation]

You're too young to be so defeated at 27 years old (referring to your earlier posts about tiredness and dry spells). 27 was probably my one of my highest notch years.

From the age of about 24, up until now, my entire life has been devoted to seducing and ****ing women. I've learned one main thing in this time - my mindset dictates my success. If I'm feeling tired, fed-up, unattractive or "it's all too hard" then that's when I experience dry spells. It repels women like nothing else. Negative thoughts are part of the burden of performance we experience as men. It is hard work, but it's also useful for me to look back on my experiences and remind myself that I was at my most successful when I thought of myself as "successful with women." As a side note, I'm 6'3, have good looks and good smv (well paid job, nice apartment). All of that counts for nothing if my mindset is one of tired defeat.

This might seem cheesy and basic, but it really does all come down to confidence and self-belief. If we don't believe in ourselves, we can't expect anyone else to believe in us either. However, I've found that if I have strong self-belief then it oozes out of every pore of my interactions with women. Does it get tiring? Yes. If I'm tired then I just take a break and focus on other things that interest me. Before long the desire returns. I never force myself to game if I'm not feeling it.

You most likely had a different personality and lifestyle than I. Where or how did you meet the women?

 

[AttackFormation]

Primarily online game, secondarily day game.

Which city are you in, or at least which country?

Where do you conduct your day game? (defining day game as women you cold approach during the day, talking to women in your university class or something isn't day game to me).

Have the women you've had sex with from day game been as equivalently attractive as you are, or did you fvck down?

 

[AttackFormation]

I was previously a sex addict. I banged up, down, and at my level. My primary goal was new puss at all costs. All I cared about was notches and my whole life's purpose was to live for new vaginas. I raked up a notch count of over 600 in 6 years. It was an epic journey.

All right, so you didn't answer my questions.

But you say you have been a sex addict, and claim to have had sex with a new woman more than every 4th day for 6 years (600/365*6). This would show what I said in my first reply, which is that you have a different personality and lifestyle than I do. You also say that you "primarily use online dating" but the big problem here is that for me, and many other guys on this forum, online dating doesn't work. It's not an avenue we can use.

This unfortunately means it's impossible for you to give me advice like "you need self-confidence and belief" unless those factors are controlled for.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I was previously a sex addict. I banged up, down, and at my level. My primary goal was new puss at all costs. All I cared about was notches and my whole life's purpose was to live for new vaginas. I raked up a notch count of over 600 in 6 years. It was an epic journey.

I'm currently undergoing a transformation now, as I had a unicorn for 2 years and lost her. I'm back to square 1 now and licking my wounds. I don't have much desire for casual sex at the moment, and hope to either get my unicorn back or replace her with someone better.

I hope you don't end up like me. Game seems to dissolve when love comes into play. I saw myself as a DJ, but now I'm questioning my abilities. Probably seems beta as hell, but I'm warning you man...there are women out there that can steal your soul.

Do you think notch count made you better with individual vaginas?

 

[AttackFormation]

I hope that clarifies a few things for you.

It did, it's no rocket science and I didn't expect it to be. Since you are attractive enough for OLD to useable for you, which puts you at the apex of men like some others on this forum, you must be even more attractive to women in real life. And I would wager this goes a good way to explaining your day game life even if you also have an extroverted personality that enjoys the numbers game. Anyway, I am glad for your success at it.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

It made me good with individual vaginas, but weak with emotional game and relationship game. I was only able to get through these numbers by not emotionally connecting with women (which made it easier to pump and dump and move on). I was only good at the superficial initial seduction. Women often viewed me as cold and uncaring after I'd seduced them. It wasn't a good feeling after a while. It felt very deceptive.

The notches days are behind me now and I'm much more interested in meeting a high quality woman that I can develop a loving relationship with. Being experienced with vaginas only takes a man so far. Being able to connect with the emotional landscape of a woman on a deeper level is my main goal these days. To do this, I can't just base my entire life around Game anymore because when it comes time to invite a woman into my world then I'll need to have other goals and a more interesting life to keep her around.

It takes me a dozen times to get good in one. Cause your learning them.

 

[AttackFormation]

I think you mentioned earlier than you are over 6ft, white (Swedish) and a decent looking guy. Man, this gives you a huge one-up on most other men. The competition isn't nearly as strong as you might think. Most men are beta and don't know how to tease, push-pull and develop attraction with a girl. This requires a level of strategy and patience that most men just don't have.

With online game it's only partially about being handsome. I think it is more important to post pictures that create intrigue and social proofing. Posting a picture of yourself with an attractive girl by your side is like catnip for women in online game. It sparks their competitive edge. I've also found that getting them on the phone and having a nice 30 minute chat to build comfort prior to meeting drastically reduces the number of flakes.

I'm 6'2, I consistently get told I'm good looking (not just by my mother), I keep myself in good shape, posture and grooming, and I am swedish but mulatto rather than white. You say this gives me a huge one-up on most other men, so what I'm thinking is this: if I'm not getting shyt through OLD, what the hell are all the other men going to do who aren't 6'2 or don't have my (allegedly) pretty handsome face? What are they doing now?

In the future I might try OLD again with professional pictures as you imply. But at this point, I would rather realign my life away from women before I do that. Compulsive mental urge about women has taken a huge chunk of my life, which has given me a second nature of handling women from experience and reflection (including the game you mention), but zero life productivity or fulfillment. I need to free myself from that, and so far I'm slowly making my way on it.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

It made me good with individual vaginas, but weak with emotional game and relationship game. I was only able to get through these numbers by not emotionally connecting with women (which made it easier to pump and dump and move on). I was only good at the superficial initial seduction. Women often viewed me as cold and uncaring after I'd seduced them. It wasn't a good feeling after a while. It felt very deceptive.

The notches days are behind me now and I'm much more interested in meeting a high quality woman that I can develop a loving relationship with. Being experienced with vaginas only takes a man so far. Being able to connect with the emotional landscape of a woman on a deeper level is my main goal these days. To do this, I can't just base my entire life around Game anymore because when it comes time to invite a woman into my world then I'll need to have other goals and a more interesting life to keep her around.

Do you think you would've gotten better in puzzy with "only" 30 vaginas 100 times each over 5 years, or 600 vaginas 1 or 2 times each over those same 5 years?