Is there a racial barrier?

[Someone Much cooler]

the 3x extra words are for the benifit of everyone backbreaker. I know u dont need the indepth explaination but some ppl might so i took em into consideration an did it. Some guys can understand why other guy are infatuated with white women, so i clearified it. You state "For me to get to the position where I could date, 7-8hb white women without question, i had to start a business, become somewhat well off, stay in shape, dress, no debt.. i had to become a super catch just to date the women I date. you take a normal white guy from this forum, who works as an accountant making 70k a year... better stated, i had to work 2 times as hard to put make myself that much a catch, where women would over look the skin difference." For the sake of discussion, do you think that the white guys with asian/indian girls on their arms also i had to work 2 times as hard to put make myself that much a catch, where women would over look the skin difference." .......food for thought.

 

[Chickfight]

Unfortunately, Asian men are sometimes at a serious disadvantage, because for some reason they just aren't that physically attractive to women. I don't know why exactly, but it's just the way it is. That why most interracial couples are White male, Asian female. You just have to accept that you're gonna have to work harder and rise to the challenge to become the kind of man that is attractive to everyone. When you're at a certain level, all your disadvantages no longer make a difference, Looks, Height, Weight won't play a part.

 

[Someone Much cooler]

chickfight-are u serious, man??? arent attractive? Bruce lee, jet li ect? They are some Bad mofos-u think that chicks dont like em? Storm shadow from the new gi joe movie? 3 white chicks sittin near me in the theater said he was hot and i was like he is the only cat in the whole movie wearing white versaci loafers! Successful asian guys arent at any disadvantage, i see em in NYc all the time in their expensive luxury cars and hot girls. Better yourself, be a catch and women will see you as a catch too. hell In one movie Jet li had a oil black crocidile leather jacket-i been looking for one all my life but i could never find one. when i think of cool i think of jet li and that unobtainable crocidile leather.

 

[Chickfight]

I totally agree with what you're saying SMC. I pointed out in my comment that When you're at a certain level, all your disadvantages no longer make a difference, Looks, Height, Weight won't play a part. That includes race. All those people you mentioned were at that level I'm not being racist or anything, I'm half Asian myself. But you and I both agree that average asian guy will have a disadvantage compared to white guys, just like a short guy would have a disadvantage to a tall guy. They have to work harder, have better game, have higher status, etc/

 

[Rubirosa]

I should be studying for finals but instead im playing on SS, but i feel compelled to add some real world input. As a young black guy whos family back ground is native american (actually live on a reservation) & trinidadian, who attends a majoritly white university but grew up in a culturally diverse area (philly) i can say 1st hand RACE DOES MATTER. On most points backbreaker is right but ill dissect his accuracies and inaccuracies later. Rubirosa as far as racial popularity goes...lil wayne (hes homo too), jay Z, guccie mane, rick ross, Rihanna, BEYONCE....I mean cmon. Every frat party i go to as soon as the party starts to get good and we want to get the girls (all races) dancing we put on Reggae or the latest trend rap song in pop culture an all the white girls (try) dance, but when i walk on the floor they stop...in anticipation of how the dance is supposed to be done(what ever the popular dance is) I also work at a club an for the most part this still holds true.

I'm not saying that Balck artists are not popular, but the difference between now and the 80's is massive. I'm 45, so I was there. Do you think some middle aged White housewife whose kids don't watch Mtv is going to know who Rick Ross is ? Well, back in the 80's, Balck culture was MAINSTREAM. Why ? Because there was TALENT which transcended race. Michael Jackson was good. Prince was good. Eddie Murphy's standup was hilarius. Now if you're going to compare most of the hip hop today (which needs samples from past music to exist in the 1st place) to the old school where people actually sang and played instruments, then there's no point in arguing

 

[EA Gold]

I think its a matter of beliefs here.

If you think there is a barrier, then there is a barrier. If you think you have the advantage then you do have it. The question is who's beliefs are going to win.. Your strong beliefs in yourself and being 100 percent confident or the white girls beliefs that the media and culture has instilled within her.

Are you going to let the media mold you into a person and hope she likes you or will you decide what you want in a women and go for it no matter what. Now the ultimate goal in dating is having a trustworthy and faithful wife with children, and I think going about the search is being the father figure of the relationship as if she was your daughter. You make her do errands for you, cook and clean for you, works out with you, then you reward her with presents or dinner.

I don't care where your from, if your 100 percent sure of yourself, confident and your beliefs are solid you can get any women you want.

Actually, they are going to want you!

 

[backbreaker]

I think its a matter of beliefs here.

If you think there is a barrier, then there is a barrier. If you think you have the advantage then you do have it. The question is who's beliefs are going to win.. Your strong beliefs in yourself and being 100 percent confident or the white girls beliefs that the media and culture has instilled within her.

Are you going to let the media mold you into a person and hope she likes you or will you decide what you want in a women and go for it no matter what. Now the ultimate goal in dating is having a trustworthy and faithful wife with children, and I think going about the search is being the father figure of the relationship as if she was your daughter. You make her do errands for you, cook and clean for you, works out with you, then you reward her with presents or dinner.

I don't care where your from, if your 100 percent sure of yourself, confident and your beliefs are solid you can get any women you want.

Actually, they are going to want you!

Law 25 ​

Re-Create Yourself ​

Do not accept the roles that society foists on you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image rather than letting others define if for you. Incorporate dramatic devices into your public gestures and actions – your power will be enhanced and your character will seem larger than life.






good deal.

 

[Being_the_Don]

Ah, there's so much race baiting and ignorance going on in this thread! Things are far better in the Health & Fitness forum. Anyway, race is a factor for a lot of people both men and women, but that doesn't necessarily work against certain racial groups. As for this thing about Asian females have no attraction for black guys, prominent celebrities show that to be absolutely untrue. Dave Chapelle is a comedian married to an Asian female. Then take a look at biracial celebrities. Some examples of biracial celebrities:

1. Hines Ward
2. Tomika Skanes
3. Amerie
4. Denise (Denyce) Lawton
5. Kimora Lee
6. Marcus Chong

Then there is Elise Tan-Roberts, the daughter of Edward and Louise Roberts. Elise is the youngest member of Mensa the high IQ society. Here's a link to a story about Elise and her folks:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1175141/Meet-Elise-girl-IQ-higher-Carol-Vorderman.html

So whoever says that Asian females don't like black guys is either ignorant or telling out and out falsehoods.

As for the OP: dude, it's confidence that counts. Yeah Bruce Lee is the hero for a lot of us because of his power and what he did to positively portray Asian males in movies and TV. Daniel Dae Kim (or DDK) was considered one of the best looking men on "Lost" not only because he was in shape but because he was confident.

Women who are looking for men will be attracted to confidence, strength, intelligence, and wit - qualities that are valuable REGARDLESS of race because these traits are found in men of all races.

Work on developing these and you'll be fine.

 

[Someone Much cooler]

chickfight-Looking at advantages/disadvantages is a concept of logic. Females, attraction and emotion arent logical. So while in theory you are at a disadvantage in reality you arent. Cause logical thinking isnt valid in seduction. Bruce lee was only famous cause he was a hard worker and excelled. So work hard an excell.

Rubirosa- "Do you think some middle aged White housewife whose kids don't watch Mtv is going to know who Rick Ross is ?" It depends; if ithey have a peer group, facecebook or some form of social networking, go to parties, clubs and socialize, follow celeb gossip ect then YES THEY DO! I can dig your 45 and seen the 80s-but im 25 nd im living it NOW. So i can tell YOU what the youth ARE doing. I'm not comparing the quality of music then vs now. I'm saying black culture IS still/if not more mainstream. Did you know Jay z was hired to help obamas re-election campaign? This is 2010 Ack no one is watchin MTV, its an online movement. Twitter, facebook ect. Do you think that when Nicki Manji,Rihanna, BEYONCE sells out a concert that white jawns aint equal part of the crowd? At college these white girls are dorming, partying on thirsty thurs, freaky friday and sexy sat. You should see these "conservative" white girls go crazy when lil john's "Get low" came on. Or "crank that soulja boy" started bumping. I left with 8 girls once cause i was the only guy who knew the dance. I have a biz hosting college parties, socials, formals and other events. The affluent white suburbanites def wanna get down with hip hop sub culture.

Backbreaker-48 laws of power? Like law 25.

being the don-I dont think there is racial baiting, rather an insightful discussion about myths and ppls irrational phobias. Ppl deal with stuff so i dont particularly mind discussing it. I said generally alot of north asian women dont date black guys. Hoboken, Pavonia newport, Jersey city, china town & soho. Big asian and eastern/middle eastern sarging areas. Can a black cat bag a asian or indian jawn, sure, but is it the average, no. They are going with the guys that they percieve have affluence. (read my above post explaining this) I dont lie or tell falsehoods. Celebrities arent a valid an example Ack, aside from wealth they have enourmous amounts of social worth and power, *sigh* as we already covered celebs do as they want(remember how paris hilton had like 4 DUIs but only did a wk in prison?). Jayz has beyonce and he is joe camel ugly! This is about normal ppl who arent driving bugattis, smiling on magazine covers and walkin the red carpet. Ive dated asian girls and personally(#'s game + social worth) i dont get why everyone is so pressed about race, its just melanocytes and dead superficial epithelial cells. But, being the don, I do agree about the points you made about confidence tho! def right mindset

 

[Rubirosa]

chickfight-Looking at advantages/disadvantages is a concept of logic. Females, attraction and emotion arent logical. So while in theory you are at a disadvantage in reality you arent. Cause logical thinking isnt valid in seduction. Bruce lee was only famous cause he was a hard worker and excelled. So work hard an excell.

Rubirosa- "Do you think some middle aged White housewife whose kids don't watch Mtv is going to know who Rick Ross is ?" It depends; if ithey have a peer group, facecebook or some form of social networking, go to parties, clubs and socialize, follow celeb gossip ect then YES THEY DO! I can dig your 45 and seen the 80s-but im 25 nd im living it NOW. So i can tell YOU what the youth ARE doing. I'm not comparing the quality of music then vs now. I'm saying black culture IS still/if not more mainstream. Did you know Jay z was hired to help obamas re-election campaign? This is 2010 Ack no one is watchin MTV, its an online movement. Twitter, facebook ect. Do you think that when Nicki Manji,Rihanna, BEYONCE sells out a concert that white jawns aint equal part of the crowd? At college these white girls are dorming, partying on thirsty thurs, freaky friday and sexy sat. You should see these "conservative" white girls go crazy when lil john's "Get low" came on. Or "crank that soulja boy" started bumping. I left with 8 girls once cause i was the only guy who knew the dance. I have a biz hosting college parties, socials, formals and other events. The affluent white suburbanites def wanna get down with hip hop sub culture.

Backbreaker-48 laws of power? Like law 25.

being the don-I dont think there is racial baiting, rather an insightful discussion about myths and ppls irrational phobias. Ppl deal with stuff so i dont particularly mind discussing it. I said generally alot of north asian women dont date black guys. Hoboken, Pavonia newport, Jersey city, china town & soho. Big asian and eastern/middle eastern sarging areas. Can a black cat bag a asian or indian jawn, sure, but is it the average, no. They are going with the guys that they percieve have affluence. (read my above post explaining this) I dont lie or tell falsehoods. Celebrities arent a valid an example Ack, aside from wealth they have enourmous amounts of social worth and power, *sigh* as we already covered celebs do as they want(remember how paris hilton had like 4 DUIs but only did a wk in prison?). Jayz has beyonce and he is joe camel ugly! This is about normal ppl who arent driving bugattis, smiling on magazine covers and walkin the red carpet. Ive dated asian girls and personally(#'s game + social worth) i dont get why everyone is so pressed about race, its just melanocytes and dead superficial epithelial cells. But, being the don, I do agree about the points you made about confidence tho! def right mindset

I don't know.....All I can say is that I probably know what was going down in the 80's more than you, and you probably know more than I do about the scene today . My orginal point was that Black guys seemed more popular with different race chicks back then, and I attributed this to the social enviornment at the time because Black culture was so mainstream. But the bottom line is that anyone can transcend race, and like an earlier poster mentioned, good looking is good looking. I used to have a crush on Donna Summer in 1979. Y'know it's funny (I'm really dating myself here), but one of my favorite cartoons when I was a kid was Fat Albert....not because they were black, but because I thought that having a clubhouse in a junkyard was so cool. I'm sure the Asian Op is starting to get a little pissed now that I've turned his thread into an early 70's history remenberence.

 

[Being_the_Don]

being the don-I dont think there is racial baiting, rather an insightful discussion about myths and ppls irrational phobias. Ppl deal with stuff so i dont particularly mind discussing it. I said generally alot of north asian women dont date black guys. Hoboken, Pavonia newport, Jersey city, china town & soho. Big asian and eastern/middle eastern sarging areas. Can a black cat bag a asian or indian jawn, sure, but is it the average, no. They are going with the guys that they percieve have affluence. (read my above post explaining this) I dont lie or tell falsehoods. Celebrities arent a valid an example Ack, aside from wealth they have enourmous amounts of social worth and power, *sigh* as we already covered celebs do as they want(remember how paris hilton had like 4 DUIs but only did a wk in prison?). Jayz has beyonce and he is joe camel ugly! This is about normal ppl who arent driving bugattis, smiling on magazine covers and walkin the red carpet. Ive dated asian girls and personally(#'s game + social worth) i dont get why everyone is so pressed about race, its just melanocytes and dead superficial epithelial cells. But, being the don, I do agree about the points you made about confidence tho! def right mindset

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular but there is a lot of inaccuracies in this thread. I don't know who brought up that Filipinas became attracted to blacks because of the "Pearl Harbor era" but in fact blacks were in the Philippines during the Philippine-American war of the early 20th century think Buffalo Riders and Teddy Roosevelt. It was at that time that black soldiers got first real exposure to Asians in an Asian setting. Also, the media is used to influence greater society - most anyone knows this so YES using biracial celebrities is an accurate example of black and Asian relationships. Many of the people whom I used as examples are from East Asia e.g. Korea, China and Japan. Moreover there are many more Asian female/black male interrelationships than you are likely aware of. Yes, many are from Southeast Asia (Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia) but they actually cover the ENTIRE continent. I also know of models who are married to black guys. And all you have to do is go to Facebook and you'll find some very popular black and Asian discussion groups. These are facts.

Also, Asians were barred from citizenship in this country meaning that they couldn't vote or even own land. Japanese Americans were locked away in internment camps during World War II, an excess of 100,000 people taken by force from their homes because of their race/ethnicity. Asian females were barred from entering the US because of fears that Asian males would have children and thus increase the Asian population in the US. Most of those males went unmarried or even worse - IF they had spouses and children back in Asia they never saw them again. The "gentleman's agreement" of the early 1900s practically cut of all Asians from the US meaning that those who did enter where primarily war brides of white soldiers and black soldiers. Asian females were vilified as evil and categorized as prostitutes who would corrupt impressionable white males. Yet even then they were the object of a perverse "beauty" or fetish that has become only more prominent today.

These are all facts, you can read it in history books if you really want to know. Or take an Asian American history course to learn about this in greater detail. The point is, when people post inaccuracies and/or race bait threads, it leads to harsh words, ill feelings and break down of intelligent conversation.

 

[f283000]

If you let outside "Agendas" "Liberalism" etc affect your daily thought process you are a sheep. Never proscribed to anything but my own thoughts. Thinking someone is tougher better etc. because of there race is for weak minded p$$ssies like you F283000. Unlike you when I get offended I do something about it, always have. I guess "In the real world" clowns like you can tap a few keys and call someone a P$ssy on a computer and feel like a man. You'd last five seconds in a cellblock. Just being "Real".

Brother I don't think you understood my post. Have you done any reading the feminist/homosexual agenda?

It's no secret that the c|a has been funding both of these movements since the 50's and 60's and directly targeting the population as a way of population control.

The effects of those movements have resulted in today's modern man who needs to come to a forum like this to learn to even talk to a woman cause he is so scared of them.

You are making a racial issue out of something that is widely known. White men were targeted by the feminist/homosexual agenda while black men where targeted by drugs. Nothing racist at all it's facts.

 

[Uberguy]

Brother I don't think you understood my post. Have you done any reading the feminist/homosexual agenda?

It's no secret that the c|a has been funding both of these movements since the 50's and 60's and directly targeting the population as a way of population control.

This is the funniest thing I've read all week. Thank you.

 

[f283000]

This is the funniest thing I've read all week. Thank you.

You're funny. Gloria Steinem (one of the early leaders of early feminazi movement) is on record for saying she was funded by the c|a. That's just the tip of the iceberg

http://www.newmenstime.com/index170.html

The Feminist Movement was a CIA project of social programming
The CIA and the Rockefeller and Ford Foundations funded Ms.
Magazine and Gloria Steinem and elements of the feminist movement

Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society

The "Sugar Daddies" Behind Feminism

Feminism and the Elite Depopulation Agenda

David R. Usher -- Funding Radical Feminism

 

[S. Pryor]

Buy a hooker! No I'm kidding. No you should make sure that your mouthpiece is crisp. That means have a good conversation with women and being able to handle whatever she throws at you. I'm sure there's someone out there in Portland that's interested in you. You just have to find her. Listen to Tariq Nasheed. This guy knows what he's talking about.

http://www.theurbanrenaissanceman.com/tariq/

 

[Man_CA]

I don't think Asian guys are at a disadvantage. I'm from California and I see lots of Asian males with cute (hot) Asian girls. I say there are more Asian males with Asian females versus White males with Asian females.

 

[Someone Much cooler]

Strong argument

Being_the_Don- I didnt say this is when the became "attracted" i expressed this gave them a great deal of exposure to blacks in a positive light. Black soldiers were military men on the "winning" team. Filipine culture didnt have the same negative outlook toward blacks as alot of other asian cultures, be it asian american or asian. Alot of they werent prejudiced. Do you understand what im trying to say? Your info on the buffalo soldiers makes sense, alot on my hat goes off to you cause not alot of ppl know about the Buffalo soldiers. How ever I asked my ex from manila & her two younger cousins if she had ever heard of the buffalo soldiers and she said no, her grand mother had, but they had not. They didnt influence her directly, where as the troops stationed there did. This is from her mouth.

Media is influencial but it is not absolute. If it were were true we would have significantly more interracial married couples. The percent is very low vs that of same race married couples. Suggusting either that the media hasnt influenced too much, or the media doesnt want interracial married couples. Here is a statistical truth. "Stanford: 7 percent of couples interracial, Factoring in all racial combinations, Stanford University sociologist Michael Rosenfeld calculates that more than 7 percent of America’s 59 million married couples in 2005 were interracial, compared to less than 2 percent in 1970."

Ps cudos to you for the correct spelling of "Filipinas". I'm learning tagalog, do you speak it?

 

[Fuglydude]

this is what i have found out via race relations.

if you are a good looking dude, or woman, race really isn't an issue. If you are an avg looking person, it's an issue.

I think this pretty much nailed it on the head... Backbreaker thank you for rescuing this thread from deteriorating into a racially charged online internet pissing match.

I'm not sure how it is in the US, but in Canada I find it to be pretty race neutral... at least for me. I'm East Indian, and most of the girls I've done are white. I've never done anything w/ a brown girl because quite frankly white girls are a lot easier. When I was single I was a full time student making the equivalent of < 35 k a year. I drove an old red Dodge Neon and lived in a shared apartment as I couldn't afford my own place because housing costs were so high in my part of the world. Bottom line... I was basically a poor university student struggling to finish school. I didn't have money, but I still had no issues attracting women.... mostly WHITE women. Currently I'm engaged to a WHITE model/figure competitor.

Papichulo, I see you're from Canada... not sure where you're from, but I'm from Alberta, the most redneck part of Canada, and I spent 3.5 years here as a male entertainer... I've made tens of thousands of dollars taking my clothes off and grinding on women... mostly WHITE women. If you wanna see pics of me you can check out some of my other posts. Not sure where you got that about East Indian and Asian guy being at a disadvantage. Most dancers that I have worked with are white, but there's black guys too and a few Asians. Obviously the Asian guys are jacked as phuck... I remember one dude was like 5'9" - 185 ish with 17-18" arms, and lean as shiite too. They had no problems getting girls. I know I'm presenting a very restricted view point but I am just echoing Backbreaker's point about race not being a factor if you're attractive.

I would think that you'd have no issues getting girls in the US if you're an attractive, educated, hypermasculine visible minority dude who's generally happy, makes a good living and has a great personality.

 

[EA Gold]

Moreover there are many more Asian female/black male interrelationships than you are likely aware of. Yes, many are from Southeast Asia (Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia) but they actually cover the ENTIRE continent.

If I know my country well enough since I am from the Philippines, it is a 3rd world country with the majority of its population in poverty. You think just because a person is black Asian women especially from poverty striken countries you have listed are automatically attracted you.

You are wrong! Oh and by the way because you Americans came to our country, you cause over 1 Million casualties and 200,000 deaths in our fight for freedom and liberty.

These are facts.

If your from any country around the world and you have enough money, any single Asian women in poverty will get married to you in a heartbeat. Why, because they know you will support them and their families who are in poverty. These are facts.

I've seen young filipinas with Fat American men, Indians, Old men in their 60's, Asian women in poverty are attracted to money. These are facts.

 

[Rubirosa]

If I know my country well enough since I am from the Philippines, it is a 3rd world country with the majority of its population in poverty. You think just because a person is black Asian women especially from poverty striken countries you have listed are automatically attracted you.

You are wrong! Oh and by the way because you Americans came to our country, you cause over 1 Million casualties and 200,000 deaths in our fight for freedom and liberty.

These are facts.

If your from any country around the world and you have enough money, any single Asian women in poverty will get married to you in a heartbeat. Why, because they know you will support them and their families who are in poverty. These are facts.

I've seen young filipinas with Fat American men, Indians, Old men in their 60's, Asian women in poverty are attracted to money. These are facts.

Uh dude, I wouldn't exactly say that the Japanese were treating you guys very well when they were conquering the Pacific. And who stopped the Japanese takeover ?