Is there a different technique for pulling the 8s and 9s than for the 6s and 7s?

[squirrels]

Since I started becoming more confident in my "game," I've been more successful with chix when I go out to a bar/club. Last two times I've gone out, I've been semi-successful with women each time (not sex, but heavy kissing/kino...that's why I say "semi").

The thing is that most of these girls are in the 6-ish range. So while I wouldn't mind having sex with them, they're not really my ideal one-night companion. I'd like to move up to some of the 8s. The thing is that I don't get much attention from 8+ girls to begin with. Even feeling confident and trying to make eye contact, they don't really look back.

So what's the deal? Are these girls naturally more aloof because they know they can pull just about any dude they want? I guess I need to take a more aggressive approach?

I mean, I'm sure girls like that get hit on all the time. So how do you approach them? Just break in with "hi" or some casual observation and go from there like you would with a 6...let your confidence work on her? Or do you need to break out a lot of neghits/C&F/other "tactics" to make it work?

In other words, am I missing something, or do I just need to up my intensity?

 

[RKTek]

Originally posted by squirrels
So what's the deal? Are these girls naturally more aloof because they know they can pull just about any dude they want?

Yes.

As far as the more aggressive approach....be careful.


The problem with beautiful women is that from the time they were little cute girls, they've been cooed and coddled by their families. Comments such as "You're so gorgeous, you'll have the men fighting over themselves for your attentions" impact them and after hearing it only two or three times, it sinks in. And then they see that what their family members said was correct. As they get older and develop and blossom even more, doors are opened for them, unlike their unattractive friends who get zero prom date offers, they get at least 2 or 3.

By the time they get to you, they have high expectations. They've been hit on by everything from leering drunks to smooth DJ's in the clubs and honking truck drivers while they jog down the street. From an early age their less than attractive friends have giggled and pointed out the salivating stares from guys as they pass by "Ohmigod Lisa, with that blouse you have on and your hair that way, you should see that guy over there staring at you!"

"What guy"

"That one, right over there"

So she looks and sure enough, there's some shlub standing there with a stupid look on his face and a semi-orgasmic smile while he stares at her. Mind you, this is when she's 14.

By age 15, she begins to realize beauty is power, so she flexes her 'muscles' to see how far the teenage guys in her school will go to carry her books with no appreciation from her. Or help her with her homework in return for a brief smile; and on and on.

By the time she's 16, she's seen it all and is jaded and bored. "Why aren't there any REAL men around?" she asks. The problem is that by the time she's 17, she's so jaded and bored even real men are turned off by her aloof and priveleged attitude. The only way she'll get a guy is if she sees one who is not only having FUN, but she sees how he makes the girl he's with HAPPY!

Hmmm, she says, this looks interesting.

At that point, there is no need for him to hit on her, she will pursue. Like the girl she saw, she wants him to make her happy too, so she will go after him and here's where it gets a bit tricky for the man, unless he's an experienced DJ. He has to understand what is happening here, when the hot babe shows interest in him. Like an experienced fly fisherman, he must know the difference between a nibble and a strike. He must be sensitive enough to know when to let the bait sit awhile, when to move it and when to pull to set the hook and only experience, sensitivity, intuition and a little luck can show him exactly when.

When the hot babe sees him having a good time but more importantly showing the women he's WITH a good time, she will move in to gain him for herself. He must understand and act accordingly. He must show interest, but just barely. This is jiggling the bait. If she moves in further, he must show her a good time, but briefly. Then he must feign boredom with her and withdraw, to gauge her interest. If she approaches again, he knows he's got a live one on the line. At that point, he can treat her as he would any other woman.

That is the story of the beautiful woman.

 

[Duff]

bASICALLY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN ARE F UCKING HASSLE AND ITS A DAMN C UNT THAT THEY'RE SOOOO WORTHIT.

THATS ONE OF THE MOST ANNOYING THINGS IN LIFE

YOU GET THE HB TO LIKE YOU BUT AS SOON AS YOU GO FOR HER, HER IL GOS DOWN.


VERY ANNOYING


THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP THESE KINDS OF GIRLS IS TO GET THEM ADDICTED.

GIVIMG THEM ATTENTION AND INTEREST ONLY AT LITTLE BITS AT A TIME. LEAVING THEM WANTING MORE AND MORE ALL THE TIME.


VERY ANNOYING AS YOU WANNA JUST BE SHAGGIN THEM ALL THE TIME

 

[squirrels]

...

It's kind of funny...I'm reading RKTek's hypothetical situation, and I'm relating it back to a personal experience I had with a girl I was interested in. In fact, I think I did ALL of this without even realizing it, just by sheer luck, and this hottie WAS interested.

But when the time came to "set the hook," my luck ran out, my AFC tendencies kicked in, and I choked. Now she seems strangely disinterested and distant...LOL.

It makes sense...almost too much sense. The question I have is, what about the hot girl you see in the club, or just pass on the street? You may not have the time to wait for the "right time to set the hook" or the convenient social proof of having a girl on your arm at that moment. When you have to make a move there, on your own, without any real chance of seeing this hottie again if you don't, then what do you do?

 

[PRMoon]

If you're confident enough you shouldn't really have that much drouble picking up any level of girl. Be it a 4 or a 9, If your game is tight then its just a matter of playing it right. I have pretty high standards (I usually shoot for at LEAST a 7.5 if I'm going after just one chick) and by doing this I'm more comfortable around more attractive women. This means If the best of my options is a 5 in a sea of 3's, I'll have no problem whatsoever talking to or whatever to the 5 because I'm use to dealing with higher quality.

If you can snag a 5 or a 6 in your sleep then you should be pushing yourself a bit further and start shooting for 7's and 8's on a regular basis. The practice will do you good and soon you'll be use to pulling higher numbers with less effort.

 

[Slashco]

How about thinking of them as individual people instead of numbers on a chart? It's so crazy it just might work...

 

[PRMoon]

you have to descriminate by attractiveness... It narrows the feild down for your choices. Sure they could be individually more attractive but that's pretty much the same as ranking one higher then another, except there's no formality to it.

 

[Rev]

From my personal experience and from what I've observed of the behavior of extremely beautiful women and the dudes that get them, is that challenge is absolutely critical. If you chase them they will run. If they want you, they are not afraid you will reject them and they will test you. If you pass, they will chase you. But nothing turns them off more than aggressive suitors.

These chicks always seem to go for guys who both display enormous value and are a huge challenge.

 

[thejuice]

Quick advice

Less attractive ladies are not neccessarily easier to deal with if you know what youre doing.

An attractive girl is annoyed by compliments and average conversations because shes used to guys thinking that thats what she wants. The truth is that she is exceptional and thats exactly what she wants.

An exceptional guy will not salivate over her, will compliment her every chance he gets, will not give her all of the attention in the world, will not put her on a pedestal, and will not treat her like every other guy has treated her for the past freaking 25 years of her life!!!!!

If you want the more attractive ladies to notice you, give them a reason to notice. Everybody forgets about nuisances and about everyday, routine things but seem to remember things that are not along the dotted lines.

THE NEG HIT

Neg hits are great openers and excelent to keep her on her toes and wondering about "what the hell is up with this guy?". If you dont know what a neg hit is, look it up in the DJ bible or run a search for posts in the tips section (others have explained very well). Neg hits get over her ***** shield which is usually up to ward if dumbass men who (as explained above) walk along the dotted line. It makes her think that you arent fazed by her good looks.

C&F

****y funny is also great for attractive women. Im sure you know what this is...if not, once again run a search.

Note one thing before you go out and try anything i talked about above - these are not good ways to gain rapport. Yes, they will have you be different in theyr eyes, and yes, youll also appear more attractive but by no means does that mean that shes feeling connected to you.

Connection and attraction are two different things. Attraction is more physical and connection (or chemistry) is more on what you guys are compatible with. Let me state it more explicitely, attraction is for short term relashionships and connection is for a longer term relashionship.

Whatever it is that you want, follow this strategy for more attractive women and you should meet a couple soon. As you understand this theory more, youll get more success coming your way.

This brings me to my conclusion; knowing this will make attractive women easier to deal with. As i said earlier, less attractive women are not easier to deal with if you know neg hitting, and C&F well. Confidence is required for these (in case somebody says i forgot about confidence). Any questions?

 

[myfriendblu]

Originally posted by squirrels

The thing is that most of these girls are in the 6-ish range. So while I wouldn't mind having sex with them, they're not really my ideal one-night companion. I'd like to move up to some of the 8s. The thing is that I don't get much attention from 8+ girls to begin with. Even feeling confident and trying to make eye contact, they don't really look back.

Heres an idea- maybe your only a 5 or a 6 yourself? Hey not being rude just being realistic. While being a DJ will get you women, its only gonna take you so far. If your a 6 the chances of getting, and keeping a 9 or ten, are slim. By being a DJ your snagging 6's and sevens, which heck, may have been previously, out of your league. be thankfull for what you got.

 

[A1SteakSauce]

blucheese today

sorry, but li'l boy blu is blowing his horn here . . .

i have got 8, 9, and 10s chasing me and i look like a geek, walk like a geek, and probably talk like a geek. cab drivers usually start w/ me by saying, "so you work in computers?" (yeah, i do)

i met a 10 in mcdonalds last summer and i was wearing sweatpant shorts and a crappy t-shirt along with some sun glasses that probably made me look gay with my monitor tan. but while other guys were choking on their fries i just looked at her, tossed away my stuff, and left. magically she was at the street corner in no time flat and then it was just trivial. she had decided that she wanted to pursue me. i could see those guys wagging their tongues and wondering what has that geek got? what i had got was that i didn't give a ****, i wasn't impressed, i didn't care what i looked like, i had better things to do, and Her Highnesses Aura did not affect me, but did make me a little annoyed. so she had to find out why. i fukked it up later, don't worry, but i know that i left *her* wanting more which is the right way to do it.

but myfriendblu is right that they are usually not worth pursuing. these women have low sex drives and high ***** drives. they don't have a lot of friends b/c women hate them and men pander. they are usually warped in some strange ways as a result. they are looking for daddy's and they will cost you $$$. and they want to be the Queen. it's bad news all around. stick to your sixes and enjoy the dirty sex

A1

 

[matius]

You know what, I'm not too sure of what's a 8, 9 or 10 to you guys. Can we get an idea somehow- somebody post some pictures of what you might consider a certain #. No need to do the 1 or 2's. This might not be possible...but a 9 to someone here might be a 7 to some other guy, know what I mean. That's why this # shyte might not cut it...hasn't this been questioned- LOL.

 

[Ramin]

Rating how hot girls are...

8 to 9

7

6


Ok, that was immature of me. You get the picture though. We all have different opinions but there will also be a lot of agreement. The top girl is an 8 or higher because she has the face and body combo.

Ramin

 

[matius]

LMAO ~ thanks, that is what I'm saying...it's not possible to use this bloody rating system.

 

[squirrels]

...

I dunno. I'm not saying I want relationships with "10"s. I just want to be able to get them into bed.

It just seems like the rules bend. With lesser girls, you just kind of make eye contact and go from there. With the very attractive girls, they won't even make eye contact with you, regardless of how confident you are.

Do you approach them and initiate a conversation, and then play C&F/hard-to-get, or does it only work if THEY make eye contact/smile first? Because if it's the latter, then it's pretty much hopeless, cuz they won't look back. They've learned not to, even if you ARE confident, because they've seen that **** before and know where it leads.

It just bugs me...maybe I'm NOT as confident as I think I am...maybe my "aura" isn't strong enough yet to pull the real hotties. But I tend to think that it's something I'm doing wrong. So should I just try approaching them and initiating instead of waiting for a mutual sign of interest?

 

[mahon83050]

Originally posted by matius
You know what, I'm not too sure of what's a 8, 9 or 10 to you guys. Can we get an idea somehow- somebody post some pictures of what you might consider a certain #. No need to do the 1 or 2's. This might not be possible...but a 9 to someone here might be a 7 to some other guy, know what I mean. That's why this # shyte might not cut it...hasn't this been questioned- LOL.

Amen, you took the words right out of my mouth. Just because some girl is a 9 to you, does not mean she is a 9 to every other guy. That is why I agree this whole "rating" scale is stupid.

However, most people would agree that facial aesthetics is universal. The more balance and symmetry a face has, the more attractive it is. One must note though, alot of people find flawless faces boring or too perfect to look at. Others are more attracted to faces that may have a slight big nose, or a unique look to them. IT adds some character!

Are you attracted to black or Asian girls? I am not at all, you would have no competition from me whatsoever. I am not attracted to Hale Berry nor Kobe Tai. One has to realize every guy values some qualities in a girl more than another guy. I like legs and the ass, boobs are just an extra bonus. To some other guy, a girl could be super hot, but because she has A-sized boobs she is not HOT! Some guys drool over light blonde hair, while others prefer brunettes. Do you like pale skin on a girl? I do, and a girl gets points for that. Somebody else would be turned off by pale skin and make a girls rating drop by 2 or 3 points. My friend gets turned off by chicks who are under 5'6" while I love shorter girls. GET MY DRIFT, there is NO such thing as a universal 7, 8,9, 10. It is not good to think this way, because it will limit your game and make you think you are in competition with every other guy. I suggest you guys re-read Allen Thompson's article on HOW TO DEAL WITH INCREDIBLEY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN!

 

[squirrels]

Originally posted by mahon83050
I suggest you guys re-read Allen Thompson's article on HOW TO DEAL WITH INCREDIBLEY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN!

Read it, and Allen's stuff is pretty good. But at the same time, there are some girls that DO get hit on more often than not, and they DO believe they're higher up on the scale.

I'm assuming the general idea is to treat them like any other girl. The thing is that they ALSO treat you like any other guy...before you get in a position to show them what a catch you are, you're just another stick. Obviously, once you've made an initial contact it becomes easier to show them your value and that you don't worship/dote on them, but how do you get to that point? Just approach? Start a casual conversation with an observation? Drop a neghit? A compliment?

See, the 6s and 7s are a little easier cuz they usually make eye contact and come up to talk to me and I can work from there. The 8s and 9s...I guess *I* have to take the initiative if I really want to make contact.

Maybe it's just laziness I need to work out of me.

I'm just trying to figure out how to approach without giving them too much credit right off the bat and chasing them away.

And yeah, the "number" system is pretty subjective, but our ratings/perceptions of women DO play a role in how we interpret and structure our reality. My "number" scale is actually a bit less stringent than the one posted. I think Cindy Margolis would be a high 9, rather than an 8.

 

[jakethasnake]

Originally posted by mahon83050
Amen, you took the words right out of my mouth. Just because some girl is a 9 to you, does not mean she is a 9 to every other guy. That is why I agree this whole "rating" scale is stupid.

However, most people would agree that facial aesthetics is universal. The more balance and symmetry a face has, the more attractive it is. One must note though, alot of people find flawless faces boring or too perfect to look at. Others are more attracted to faces that may have a slight big nose, or a unique look to them. IT adds some character!

Are you attracted to black or Asian girls? I am not at all, you would have no competition from me whatsoever. I am not attracted to Hale Berry nor Kobe Tai. One has to realize every guy values some qualities in a girl more than another guy. I like legs and the ass, boobs are just an extra bonus. To some other guy, a girl could be super hot, but because she has A-sized boobs she is not HOT! Some guys drool over light blonde hair, while others prefer brunettes. Do you like pale skin on a girl? I do, and a girl gets points for that. Somebody else would be turned off by pale skin and make a girls rating drop by 2 or 3 points. My friend gets turned off by chicks who are under 5'6" while I love shorter girls. GET MY DRIFT, there is NO such thing as a universal 7, 8,9, 10. It is not good to think this way, because it will limit your game and make you think you are in competition with every other guy. I suggest you guys re-read Allen Thompson's article on HOW TO DEAL WITH INCREDIBLEY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN!

Interesting points, Mahon. I see what you're saying. But know this -- when it comes to liking women of other cultures or races, it is VERY rare that you like a woman of that culture for what she/her culture really is. 9/10 times, it is based on gross and insulting stereotypes. It's not the same thing as a white guy liking a white girl.

There are non-visual stimuli that affect a man's choice. Some are psychological, indicative of their own shortcomings and flaws. Often, guys think that black women are freaks in bed, and that the Asian girl will give him a foot and back massages every day after a hard day's work. I'm Asian, and I've noticed that a lot of the time, white guys like Asian girls with exaggerated Asian features that jive with the "Kinky Dragon Lady" stereotype, i.e. ultra-slanted eyes, *****-makeup, and such. Many times, they are submissive in personality to the Asian woman. They like it because it's exotic, and satisfies their masochistic tendencies.

People can be THAT ignorant and twisted, trust me on this.

 

[myfriendblu]

Re: blucheese today

Originally posted by A1SteakSauce
sorry, but li'l boy blu is blowing his horn here . . .

i have got 8, 9, and 10s chasing me and i look like a geek, walk like a geek, and probably talk like a geek. cab drivers usually start w/ me by saying, "so you work in computers?" (yeah, i do)


A1

Women are attracted to looks, but there also attracted to money and power also. You said you worked in computers, so there ya go. Computers = Money, at least most women think so. So you can still be a engrossed in your geekness and pull chiks, albeit with money and power...

 

[Slashco]

Re: Re: blucheese today

Originally posted by myfriendblu
Women are attracted to looks, but there also attracted to money and power also. You said you worked in computers, so there ya go. Computers = Money, at least most women think so. So you can still be a engrossed in your geekness and pull chiks, albeit with money and power...

But then they'd only be after his money, which is not really a good thing...