Is the dance floor a REAL pick up field? I no longer think so

[SexPDX]

If the dance floor works for you, then don't stop it. All I am trying to say is that it's not so much a seduction skill because it is based almost entirely on your looks and your dancing skill. All this talk about confidence is kind of redundant. No matter what your technique is, you have to be confident I think we all know that.

MotU says,

SS works the best with that particular chick, use it. If it's alphaness, use it. If it's dancing, use it. Bottom line, whatever works is the right method.

How are you to know what's going to work? Also I think you missed my point on alphaness. Alphaness (making a concious effort to behave in an alpha way) is a an approach that relies completely on her attraction to you because of a combination of the appearance of some kind of social and other things that would cause her to become attracted to you normally (looks, confidence, et.), alphaness is NOT a seduction method (although it will HELP a seduction).

Alphaness was what I did ONLY for most of my time on this board. Was I successful. Yes, moderately so but the results were unreliable. I was not consistent. Anyone who has consistent results relying completely on alphaness is EXTREMELY alpha. Like let's say you are Allen Iverson or Brad Pit, THEN you might get consistent results with the total alpha strategy. Or to a lesser extent a person who is well-know in his area for one reason or another may have success that is consistent but what happens when you take the big alpha fish out of his small pond?

Nick

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[Master of the Universe]

But Nick,

Alphaness is a seduction style, just like SS. And just like SS won't work on every girl, neither will alphaness. The key is knowing what style will work on which girl.

How do you accomplish this? Well, there are three ways.

1) Instinct - This is the ultimate way. In theory, after becoming grandmasters in the art of seduction, we will know at a gut level what seduction style will be most effective with a particular chick. I'm not at that level yet, at least not consistently.

2) Research - If we find out what makes a particular target tick, then we'll know how to seduce her properly. Only problem though, is that this often takes too much effort and time. So unless it's a special girl, it's usually not worth our time.

3) Trial-and-error - This is my main method of action. I'll go in with whichever seduction style I either am in the mood to use, or the one I estimate will be most effective with a particular chick.

For example, I might go in with alphaness. If it works, great... I just keep it up. If I'm not getting the results I'm looking for, I'll try ****y/funny. Still not working? I'll go for SS. Not producing the results I'm looking for? I'll go for charm and make her the center of my universe.

In 10-15 minutes I'll go through as many as five different seduction styles. By then usually one of them will work. If none work, then I'll usually go to a new target at that point... unless I am in one of those moods when I am really looking for a good challenge.

So anyway, to sum up my post... alphaness is a seduction style, but like any seduction style, it will not work on every girl. Instead, it's more of a shotgun approach. You shoot it, and see what targets you're able to bag. If one of them happens to be the one you were aiming for, then congrats! If not, then you switch over to a new style.

Master of the Universe


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[WildThang]

Originally posted by Master of the Universe:
I look at dancing as a high-speed version of seduction.

Absolutely true. And yes - making the moves instead of the bump and grind works way better. Why?

1. It's emotional. It's not verbal. When you do a verbal PU you're using words to elicit feeling states. When you dance you're eliciting those states directly through extended kino. That's extremely powerful. Her conscious mind is not involved. In fact it's barely active while dancing.

2. It triggers the seduction response directly. Chicks will start running the 'I am being seduced' pattern *in their own heads.* You don't need to say a damn word.

This is not the same as the 'I am the victim of a pick-up attempt' pattern. The two conditioned responses couldn't be more different. Chicks are conditioned to *avoid* pick-ups and *be thrilled by* seduction. So right away your job is a lot easier.

This may make no sense to you as a guy, but in her head it's a very different experience. One set of associations is about creepy guys coming on to her when she doesn't want them to. The other is about romance and lust and sensuality - all things she likes and wants very, very badly.

If it still makes no sense, think of it this way - by the time women get to maturity, they'll have seen countless TV and movie scenes where the guy masters the woman on the dancefloor in a 'romantic' setting. They'll probably have run actual fantasies in their heads over and over.

So they know how the story goes. And it's a big thrill for them to suddenly discover that it's happening to them. Not necessarily because they're into you, or even your looks. But because they're *very excited by that fantasy*.

So your job with the dancing is to play up the fantasy so it starts to seem real, and associate those feelings with you.

If you're thinking 'That's a pattern' - exactly right. It's just not one of those clumsy verbal ones that people like Ross Jeffries will give you. You don't need to do time distortion or anything self conscious like that - it's all right there in your physical presence and her responses to it.

So... If you have any kind of rhythm at all, all you need to do is modify your dancing so it's smoother and more confident than that of the average guy (not *better* in a competition winning sense - competent will do), then add the eye contact and some sensuality. Tease her a bit to show you're fun and not intimidated by her. And you're there.

Infallible? No. But it's an approach that can work supremely well in certain club settings. (Better for 20s than teens - high school is a different game.)

This is not the same as alphaness. Alphaness is a different kind of dominance. It's hard-to-impossible to display true alphaness in a club anyway - unless you own it and turn up with two body guards on each side.

So the bottom line is that clubs are bad, bad places for verbal patterns. But good, good places to practice non-verbal patterns.

The going home part is not an issue either. Get it right and she'll be the one dragging you out of there.

 

[Don Juan de la Nuce]

Originally posted by SexPDX:
If the dance floor works for you, then don't stop it. All I am trying to say is that it's not so much a seduction skill because it is based almost entirely on your looks and your dancing skill.

Also I think you missed my point on alphaness. Alphaness (making a concious effort to behave in an alpha way) is a an approach that relies completely on her attraction to you because of a combination of the appearance of some kind of social and other things that would cause her to become attracted to you normally (looks, confidence, et.), alphaness is NOT a seduction method (although it will HELP a seduction).

Anything you do which aids you in seducing a woman you are interested in is a seduction skill. Playing the alpha role, dancing, conversation, kino, eye contact... they are all weapons in your seduction arsenal.

Whatever you do to seduce the woman you are interested in is indeed utilizing a seduction skill.

Anything is a weapon in the hands of a skilled assasin. Even a feather.

 

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