is physical size an issue?

[manbearpig]

If your game is tight enough, the muscles probably will not scare off the lot of them.

 

[[S]alvatore]

I try to stay under 2,000 calories a day and at least 50g protein on my weights days and 10-15g on non weight days. Thats it really. I can get more in depth in the forum for fitness if anyone wants.

How the fu<k can you get by on 50g of protein a day? (and 10-15g on non workout days?) Sorry but I call bull****.

EDIT: I just read the 2nd page of this thread and fu<k. It'll take me an hour to reply to people's idiotic replies. The majority of you have no idea about bodybuilding, or fitness.

 

[NorPacWolf]

If you get laid on 90% of your approaches, you should be approaching everything in sight.

When I do approach though it is probably 90% successful.

 

[AgonyUncle]

Look guys, the trick is not for him to change the way he looks, its for him to change the way he thinks. Jesus, at 240lbs and 8% BF, he is massive. A bit of cardio is not going to thin him out. He needs to be in a coma for two years. To get to that size, I can tell you he is one dedicated determined mofo, and probably has more natural confidence and drive then half the geeks offering advice in this post.

As for this bull**** that "chicks dont like muscles" and "muscles show no confidence", do me a favour and keep watching queer eye for the straight guy, because you are a clueless fag who reads to much cosmo.

Muscle = dominance. Dominance = wet panties.

If you look like you can crack walnuts with your hands, women might feel intimidated, but they are going to be attracted to you. Just like you like curves and a nice pair of big tits that says she can pop out a million kids and still want to shag like there is no tommorow, she likes a MAN that can protect her and her offspring, and look like he can **** the living **** out of her when she is randy. Its genetic cave man type stuff.

Now there are plenty of woman who are going to say they dont like a lot of muscle. But there are plenty of women who LOVE it. And there are more woman who love it then there are enough muscle heads to go around.

Dude, woman are not intimidated because you are big. they are intimidated because they know you can probably have the pick of the litter, so they fear you wont stick around. Its the confident pretty boy problem that a lot of guys sit with.

I say play the *****es until you find yourself a nice peace of ass thats confident enough to think she can keep you. You not the problem here. Its the women.

 

[Silverback82]

Look guys, the trick is not for him to change the way he looks, its for him to change the way he thinks. Jesus, at 240lbs and 8% BF, he is massive.

he's nowhere near that lean I guarantee it

flex wheeler was about 240 at 8% bodyfat early in his career at 5'9 juiced to the gills

 

[AgonyUncle]

Er, try closer to 2-3% BF, which is the level they compete at. 8% is not that low a BF% for a bodybuilder.

I have a mate that is almost that size. Its not that hard to believe

 

[Viktor]

5'9" and 230 lbs is by definition a freak, using the definition of "freak" that means "very very unusual".

Most women are looking for a guy who's not so much different from other guys. They want one that's a little bit special, in reasonably good shape, nicely symmetrical if possible.

But they don't want one who's strangely different from everyone else.

To get to 230lbs at 8% fat at 5'9" you have to be obsessed with weight lifting. Most girls don't like guys who are obsessed with anything, particularly things as narcisistic as weight lifting. Having done that to your body implies that you're overcompensating for something (in your case, probably it was having been fat).

Obsession and overcompensation are just not sexy.

Also, it's well known that lots of body builders use or have used steroids. Steroids are known to cause medical problems, impotence etc. Someone who may have been a steroid user is a poor bet for a mate.

So basically I think your weight lifting and extreme body development is really doing you harm. Chicks DON'T dig it. It may be hard for you to realize this, but it's true.

 

[typical]

Umm dont listen to any of these guys, do what you want to man you want to be a big huge ripped SOB go for it, if you want to be a small ripped CVNT go for it, if your doing the whole "getting a better body for girls" thing then your so lost.

Do what you want to do, I never ever started lifting as a puny 15 year old because of girls, it's cause my rugby coach told me that if I ever wanted to play for the 1st 15 then I'd have to get bigger. I got to what 90 kilos as a 18 year old, big and ripped not cause I wanted to impress some 45 kilo bimbo, I done it so when the bigger guys tackled I could take the hit and not literally die from the head on impact. Right now im a puny 90 kilo runt gave up rugby gave up soccer, but im building back up, why because lifting weights is a passion for me, clears my head and eases stress.

Now who cares if people are scared that your so big screw them, remember big is good, bloody good if you ask me. Back to the point your saying girls tell you they dont want to be your next "fling" they actually see you as having a great body and someone who probably gets laid all the time. They are not scared of you just scared of being used ( omg yes some girls dont like being used ).

Sounds like your coming on too strong or your game isn't tight enough, work on that lay back chill out enjoy the ride. And if that doesnt work hell donate your body to me I'll make excellent use of it lol

P.S LOL at the peoiple telling him to drop weight 8% body fat is damn good at that weight.

Edit : Ahh I see some of the guys that know about lifting have posted and after reading some of the posts and damn dude just 50g ??? sounds fishy to me unless your trying to maintain your weight without dropping or gaining any mass.

Also sounds like alot of people here are hating his stats, I say good for him at least he has the dedication to go hard in the gym unlike some of the runts that pass out after a few reps.

This guy does not want diet training tips from a skinny runt of a guy, he wants to know why his body is scaring the girls away and that can only be fixed by fixing his game, everything else is fine god damn you people suck.

OMG LOL at the poeple that put brad pitt as their ideal body, friggen mtv pop culture kids get a real idol idiots, someone whos done something good in the world not look preety in movies.

AND thank you AgonyUncle you said it well

 

[Silverback82]

Er, try closer to 2-3% BF, which is the level they compete at. 8% is not that low a BF% for a bodybuilder.

I have a mate that is almost that size. Its not that hard to believe

he competed at around 223 at 3% bodyfat meaning that he was around 240 at 8% at the time in the offseason and yes it is hard to believe because it doesn't happen naturally

 

[Silverback82]

Steroids are known to cause medical problems, impotence etc. Someone who may have been a steroid user is a poor bet for a mate.

actually no there is no proof that they have caused any medical problems in any human being

http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/hbosteroids/HBO-Real-Sports-steroid-special.avi

as for being a poor bet for a mate, maybe so but ever hear of bad boys?

many women don't seem to be bothered by a guys excessive drinking, smoking, and recreational drug use yet those things have been proven to harm people

 

[Viktor]

actually no there is no proof that they have caused any medical problems in any human being

as for being a poor bet for a mate, maybe so but ever hear of bad boys?

Wrong. Look below for quotes from a recent review article on the damage they cause.

Also, the widely-held perception among the public is that they DO cause damage, and part of that damage is reproductive system damage ie: testicular shrinkage, etc.

This is not sexy.

And pumping yourself up into a musclebound caricature is evidence of overcompensating for some psychological problem and also of obsession.

Also not sexy.

Here's information for you on problems caused by anabolic steroids:

Adverse effects of anabolic steroids in athletes: A constant threat
Toxicology Letters Volume 158, Issue 3 , 15 September 2005, Pages 167-175

Anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) are used as ergogenic aids by athletes and non-athletes to enhance performance by augmenting muscular development and strength. AAS administration is often associated with various adverse effects that are generally dose related. High and multi-doses of AAS used for athletic enhancement can lead to serious and irreversible organ damage. Among the most common adverse effects of AAS are some degree of reduced fertility and gynecomastia in males and masculinization in women and children. Other adverse effects include hypertension and atherosclerosis, blood clotting, jaundice, hepatic neoplasms and carcinoma, tendon damage, psychiatric and behavioral disorders. More specifically, this article reviews the reproductive, hepatic, cardiovascular, hematological, cerebrovascular, musculoskeletal, endocrine, renal, immunologic and psychologic effects.

3.1. Reproductive effects

Use of steroids in men decreases levels of luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormones, which leads to decreased endogenous testosterone production, decreased spermatogenesis, and testicular atrophy. The testicular atrophy and the oligospermia or azoospermia usually resolve after discontinuation of the drugs, but the count and morphology of the sperm may be abnormal for up to 6 months (Boyadjiev et al., 2000, Dohle et al., 2003 and Eklof et al., 2003). Prostatic hypertrophy, priapism, and, rarely, carcinoma of the prostate can be associated with steroid use (Wemyss-Holden et al., 1994). Gynecomastia may result from the peripheral conversion of androgens to estradiol and estrone.

3.2. Hepatic effects

Elevations in levels of liver enzymes (aspartate aminotransferase, alanine aminotransferase, and lactate dehydrogenase) are also common in athletes who use steroids. Hepatic dysfunction is most commonly associated with the 17-alpha alkylated steroids (Friedl, 2000 and Snyder, 2001). Cholestatic jaundice occurs occasionally with steroid use and typically resolves within 3 months of discontinuing the drugs. Liver tumors, both benign and malignant, have been linked to the administration of steroids (Watanabe and Kobayashi, 1993, Soe et al., 1994, Friedl, 2000 and Velazquez and Alter, 2004). Several athletes with extensive histories of steroid use have died of hepatocellular carcinoma or of hepatic tumor rupture.

3.3. Cardiovascular, cerebrovascular and hematological effects

A significant decrease in high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol and, often, an increase in low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol occur with steroid use, placing the user at increased risk for atherosclerotic heart disease. Cholesterol levels may return or not to normal following cessation of steroid use and normalization depends on the duration of AAS abuse (Cohen et al., 1988, Glazer, 1991, Shahidi, 2001 and Hartgens et al., 2004).

Hypertension is associated with anabolic steroid use and myocardial infarction has been reported in several athletes who used steroids for a prolonged period of time (Ferenchick, 1990). These case reports reveal that the actual frequency of myocardial infarction and sudden death among users of AAS is presumably underreported in medical literature and although a causal relationship has not yet been established, a pathogenic effect is plausible (Ferenchick and Adelman, 1992, Rockhold, 1993, Ansell et al., 1993 and Halvorsen et al., 2004). Moreover, anabolic use has been related to irreversible changes to myocardium, such as concentric left ventricular hypertrophy (Urhausen et al., 2004).

3.4. Musculoskeletal effects

Of particular concern is the premature epiphyseal closure in any child/adolescent, which results in a decrease in adult height after prolonged exposure to androgens (Al-Ismail et al., 2002). Some scientists believe that there is an increased risk of musculotendious injuries with steroid use. Tendons may not increase in strength as muscles do and, when subject to increased intensity and frequency of training, may be at higher risk for rupture.

3.6. Renal effects

Acute renal failure as a complication of rhabdomyolysis in a body builder using AAS has been reported (Hageloch et al., 1988). The combination of AAS and creatinine supplement that has been currently abused by body builders may cause renal damage. A case of diffuse membranoproliferative glomerulonephritis has been reported (Revai et al., 2003).

Wilm's tumor, uncommon in adults, has been reported in several athletes using anabolic steroids (Joyce, 1991). There is evidence suggesting that steroids are weak carcinogens that can initiate tumor growth or promote such growth in the presence of other carcinogens (Lamb, 1984 and Watanabe and Kobayashi, 1993).

3.8. Psychologic effects

Some individuals may experience mental status and behavioral changes with anabolic steroid use, including irritability, aggressiveness, euphoria, depression, mood swings, altered libido, and even psychosis (Kashkin and Kleber, 1989, Bahrke et al., 1990, Middleman and DuRant, 1996 and Clark and Henderson, 2003).

A recent study of health club athletes revealed that 90% of users reported episodes of over aggressiveness and violent behavior which were believed to be induced by steroids (Tamir et al., 2004), whereas other studies do not support any association between AAS and aggressive behavior (Bhasin et al., 1996a, Bhasin et al., 1996b and Yates et al., 1999).

Anabolic steroid withdrawal and dependency disorders have also been reported (Foley and Schydlower, 1993 and Bahrke, 2000). Acute anabolic steroid withdrawal may produce symptoms of central non-adrenergic hyperactivity including anxiety, irritability, insomnia, hot flashes, sweats, chills, anorexia, myalgia, nausea, vomiting, piloerection, tachycardia, and hypertension. Depression and anabolic steroid craving may also occur with withdrawal. Nevertheless, high risk psychological behaviors may also be the primary problem of those who take anabolic steroids although relative psychiatric disorders may be observed on these users prior to use (Middleman and DuRant, 1996).

Steroids may be psychologically addicting, even meeting the DSM-IV criteria for psychoactive substance dependence in some cases. Electroencephalogram changes similar to those seen with psycho-stimulant drugs have been reported with steroid use (Frankle et al., 1988). Physical withdrawal symptoms, similar to those seen in opiate withdrawal, have occurred upon cessation of extremely high doses of steroids. Moreover, the developing nervous system of children may be especially vulnerable to the psychological effects of steroids. Adolescents may lack the maturity to cope with possible drug-induced mood changes. In addition, the development of appropriate social skills and controls necessary to deal with pubertal changes may be made difficult if changes occur more rapidly than expected (Snyder, 2001).

There have also been reports stating that there is a relationship between hormone levels (gonadotropins, gonadal steroid hormones, and adrenal androgens) and the emotional dispositions and aggressive behaviors of adolescents. The results indicate that high hormone levels were related to potentially adverse psychological consequences for boys and girls (Clark and Henderson, 2003).

 

[KillingTime]

Who cares, tell me something.... how do YOU want to look?
Then look that way!
You have to be YOU, so you will attract people who like YOU.
Either way someone out there is going to think your ugly, you can't please everyone!
Don't sell yourself out

 

[Silverback82]

Wrong. Look below for quotes from a recent review article on the damage they cause.

Also, the widely-held perception among the public is that they DO cause damage, and part of that damage is reproductive system damage ie: testicular shrinkage, etc.

This is not sexy.

And pumping yourself up into a musclebound caricature is evidence of overcompensating for some psychological problem and also of obsession.

Also not sexy.

Here's information for you on problems caused by anabolic steroids:

Adverse effects of anabolic steroids in athletes: A constant threat
Toxicology Letters Volume 158, Issue 3 , 15 September 2005, Pages 167-175

Anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) are used as ergogenic aids by athletes and non-athletes to enhance performance by augmenting muscular development and strength. AAS administration is often associated with various adverse effects that are generally dose related. High and multi-doses of AAS used for athletic enhancement can lead to serious and irreversible organ damage. Among the most common adverse effects of AAS are some degree of reduced fertility and gynecomastia in males and masculinization in women and children. Other adverse effects include hypertension and atherosclerosis, blood clotting, jaundice, hepatic neoplasms and carcinoma, tendon damage, psychiatric and behavioral disorders. More specifically, this article reviews the reproductive, hepatic, cardiovascular, hematological, cerebrovascular, musculoskeletal, endocrine, renal, immunologic and psychologic effects.

3.1. Reproductive effects

Use of steroids in men decreases levels of luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormones, which leads to decreased endogenous testosterone production, decreased spermatogenesis, and testicular atrophy. The testicular atrophy and the oligospermia or azoospermia usually resolve after discontinuation of the drugs, but the count and morphology of the sperm may be abnormal for up to 6 months (Boyadjiev et al., 2000, Dohle et al., 2003 and Eklof et al., 2003). Prostatic hypertrophy, priapism, and, rarely, carcinoma of the prostate can be associated with steroid use (Wemyss-Holden et al., 1994). Gynecomastia may result from the peripheral conversion of androgens to estradiol and estrone.

3.2. Hepatic effects

Elevations in levels of liver enzymes (aspartate aminotransferase, alanine aminotransferase, and lactate dehydrogenase) are also common in athletes who use steroids. Hepatic dysfunction is most commonly associated with the 17-alpha alkylated steroids (Friedl, 2000 and Snyder, 2001). Cholestatic jaundice occurs occasionally with steroid use and typically resolves within 3 months of discontinuing the drugs. Liver tumors, both benign and malignant, have been linked to the administration of steroids (Watanabe and Kobayashi, 1993, Soe et al., 1994, Friedl, 2000 and Velazquez and Alter, 2004). Several athletes with extensive histories of steroid use have died of hepatocellular carcinoma or of hepatic tumor rupture.

3.3. Cardiovascular, cerebrovascular and hematological effects

A significant decrease in high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol and, often, an increase in low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol occur with steroid use, placing the user at increased risk for atherosclerotic heart disease. Cholesterol levels may return or not to normal following cessation of steroid use and normalization depends on the duration of AAS abuse (Cohen et al., 1988, Glazer, 1991, Shahidi, 2001 and Hartgens et al., 2004).

Hypertension is associated with anabolic steroid use and myocardial infarction has been reported in several athletes who used steroids for a prolonged period of time (Ferenchick, 1990). These case reports reveal that the actual frequency of myocardial infarction and sudden death among users of AAS is presumably underreported in medical literature and although a causal relationship has not yet been established, a pathogenic effect is plausible (Ferenchick and Adelman, 1992, Rockhold, 1993, Ansell et al., 1993 and Halvorsen et al., 2004). Moreover, anabolic use has been related to irreversible changes to myocardium, such as concentric left ventricular hypertrophy (Urhausen et al., 2004).

3.4. Musculoskeletal effects

Of particular concern is the premature epiphyseal closure in any child/adolescent, which results in a decrease in adult height after prolonged exposure to androgens (Al-Ismail et al., 2002). Some scientists believe that there is an increased risk of musculotendious injuries with steroid use. Tendons may not increase in strength as muscles do and, when subject to increased intensity and frequency of training, may be at higher risk for rupture.

3.6. Renal effects

Acute renal failure as a complication of rhabdomyolysis in a body builder using AAS has been reported (Hageloch et al., 1988). The combination of AAS and creatinine supplement that has been currently abused by body builders may cause renal damage. A case of diffuse membranoproliferative glomerulonephritis has been reported (Revai et al., 2003).

Wilm's tumor, uncommon in adults, has been reported in several athletes using anabolic steroids (Joyce, 1991). There is evidence suggesting that steroids are weak carcinogens that can initiate tumor growth or promote such growth in the presence of other carcinogens (Lamb, 1984 and Watanabe and Kobayashi, 1993).

3.8. Psychologic effects

Some individuals may experience mental status and behavioral changes with anabolic steroid use, including irritability, aggressiveness, euphoria, depression, mood swings, altered libido, and even psychosis (Kashkin and Kleber, 1989, Bahrke et al., 1990, Middleman and DuRant, 1996 and Clark and Henderson, 2003).

A recent study of health club athletes revealed that 90% of users reported episodes of over aggressiveness and violent behavior which were believed to be induced by steroids (Tamir et al., 2004), whereas other studies do not support any association between AAS and aggressive behavior (Bhasin et al., 1996a, Bhasin et al., 1996b and Yates et al., 1999).

Anabolic steroid withdrawal and dependency disorders have also been reported (Foley and Schydlower, 1993 and Bahrke, 2000). Acute anabolic steroid withdrawal may produce symptoms of central non-adrenergic hyperactivity including anxiety, irritability, insomnia, hot flashes, sweats, chills, anorexia, myalgia, nausea, vomiting, piloerection, tachycardia, and hypertension. Depression and anabolic steroid craving may also occur with withdrawal. Nevertheless, high risk psychological behaviors may also be the primary problem of those who take anabolic steroids although relative psychiatric disorders may be observed on these users prior to use (Middleman and DuRant, 1996).

Steroids may be psychologically addicting, even meeting the DSM-IV criteria for psychoactive substance dependence in some cases. Electroencephalogram changes similar to those seen with psycho-stimulant drugs have been reported with steroid use (Frankle et al., 1988). Physical withdrawal symptoms, similar to those seen in opiate withdrawal, have occurred upon cessation of extremely high doses of steroids. Moreover, the developing nervous system of children may be especially vulnerable to the psychological effects of steroids. Adolescents may lack the maturity to cope with possible drug-induced mood changes. In addition, the development of appropriate social skills and controls necessary to deal with pubertal changes may be made difficult if changes occur more rapidly than expected (Snyder, 2001).

There have also been reports stating that there is a relationship between hormone levels (gonadotropins, gonadal steroid hormones, and adrenal androgens) and the emotional dispositions and aggressive behaviors of adolescents. The results indicate that high hormone levels were related to potentially adverse psychological consequences for boys and girls (Clark and Henderson, 2003).

obviously you didn't watch the video I posted

no long term studies have been done (you would've known this if you watched the vid) so that makes every thing you posted moot

it cracks me up how those side effects scare people yet the side effects of alcohol, cigarrettes, and rec drugs somehow don't

and yeah alot of people will feel that it wreaks of overcompensating but then again there will always be people that aren't attracted to you for whatever reason no matter what you look like

one girl will say you are overcompensating, another will say it's sexy as hell

 

[AgonyUncle]

Muscle is overcompensating?

Bwhahahahahaha. No more then a flashy car, bling bling, showing off cash or, my favorite "USING DJ TECHNIQUES BECAUSE YOU SUCH A ****IN BETA MALE EVEN WOMAN THINK YOU ARE EITHER FAG OR NON SEXUAL".

Give me a break. I have mates that are skinny metros, and I have mates that are steriod monkeys. The steroid monkeys not only pull more, they dont suffer with "woman" issues either.

We are men who are mean to labour, not sit behind a PC and read self help books all day. If you think a woman will be more attracted to a skinny runt , you are mistaken.