"no guys show up to singles" (events)
It still begs the question. Guys are still not showing up to those events because they know they are wasting their time. Women have unrealistic expectations that only 5-10% of the male population can reach, and those guys have so many options already from dating apps or elsewhere that why would they bother going to such an event when they can get women throwing themselves at them online and coming straight to their home? For guys that are struggling, the women already gut punched them with their bad behaviour, ghosting, flaking, throwing themselves on Chad but making them jump through endless hoops, etc.... Why would they bother showing up for more of the same?
Guys are not avoiding women. They don't feel these women want them in the first place so there is no point trying.
A lot of men who go to "singles events" have poor experiences there and stop going. The thread below is a good resource about any type of structured singles event.
Mostly every unattached person has dealt with this. The potential invitation to a "singles event" or "singles mixer". It is a chance for unattached people to meet. It's not a general night out at a bar, which has unattached people interspersed with attached people. Everyone here is unattached by...
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I think you're correct that the top tier guys aren't going because they are doing fine with some combination of swipe apps, Instagram DMs, and nightlife venue approaching.
The bottom tier guys get rejected everywhere and often exit the mating marketplace due to the rejections. The bottom tier isn't likely to go to a singles events, but occasionally a bottom tier guy will show up at an event and get rejected.
That leaves us to discuss the middle tier of men (the widest part of the bell curve). Most middle tier in Western markets are having an unpleasant time in the mating market. The middle tier men that go to singles events interact with women and often end up getting rejected by middle tier women. After a certain number of rejections, middle tier men will stop showing up to those events because they don't feel like getting rejected at those events by middle tier women.
Women start to notice "no men showing up at singles events" when the mid-tier men that they would typically reject stop showing up at events. Middle tier men are realizing staying at home and doing nothing is better than a singles event or speed dating event. Also, a lot of times, the middle tier men realize that even doing nightlife venue approaches in an unstructured environment (not an organized event in a venue) or some form of non-bar approaching is better than the structured event.
What's typically happening now in Western mating markets (including structured singles events) that mid-tier women like the woman below (I think she's around the 6 - 6.9 range) think they are entitled to commitment from a man who is 8.5+. Let's say the woman below is a 6.5 in looks. Let's say she's mainly seeking men 8.5+. A man who is a 9 will have easy sex with a 6.5. She's good looking enough to give him an erection and give him good enough sex. A 9 (or any 8.5+ man) is not going to commit to a 6 range woman. If an 8.5+ man gets a desire to commit to one woman (not all do -- some enjoy a lot of casual sex with many partners), he will commit to an 8.5+ range woman. Meanwhile, women in the 5-6.9 range are rejecting men in the 5-6.9 range who would commit to them. These women seek the 8.5+ men and eventually find out that they can't get that commitment if they desire that commitment.
I'd like to know where the venues are where only 10% of the guys show up. With those odds, my chances of ascending are much higher.
One venue where women vastly outnumber men is in fitness classes (either as part of a gym or as a standalone class-based facility). In the thread below, some YouTubers into seduction considered fitness classes a waste of time. In terms of seduction, I would agree with these YouTubers. Even with the great ratios, I have not done well in getting first dates from fitness class approaches. I have gotten good exercise from the classes over time, so it's not a total waste of time.
I pulled my comments (slightly modifying them only to fit this discussion) from that thread about fitness classes into this thread.
Here is the complete list, ranked in order of best to worst: S-Tier: - Throwing an event or party - Instagram Cold DM- Creating Content on Instagram and Boosting it - Paying a club promoter to introduce you to women - Being famous, even just small-time locally famous - Being a musician A-Tier...
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I have gone to fitness classes at a variety of locations since the early 2010s and tried to do approaches in multiple facilities. I've gone to these fitness classes with as a mid-tier looking man with a normal range BMI, Norwood balding scale 1 (minimal if any balding), and 5'10" in height.
The YouTubers who ranked places to meet women covered
Gym/Fitness Classes, as a part of cooking/yoga classes, rating it at an F level. They didn't cover gym game directly in general, though gym game is a part of daygame, which they rated D level in general. I'd call gym/fitness classes as D level at best, even for above average looking men. One of the great advantages of fitness classes (either as part of a gym or as a standalone class-based facility) is that it eliminates the earbud problem that generally plagues general gym floor game. The second advantage is that most fitness class formats are at least 65-75% women, which is a ratio not found in most daygame or nightgame venues or on swipe apps. The biggest issue with most fitness classes is that women are not particularly sociable after fitness classes and it's also difficult to arrange a date and collect a number in the 5-10 minutes before class. In theory, after class is better for socialization but when women aren't sociable, that's not all that meaningful. So that's why a fair rating for gym/fitness classes would be in the D tier/F tier.
While ratios are great at fitness classes, most women won't be sociable there. Some of the women have boyfriends and they won't engage in conversation. They won't typically mention a boyfriend, but they will tend to shut down conversation before they would even have to use the IHAB excuse. There are also single and available women who won't socially engage either and that's due to some combination of poor social skills + ridiculous standards from hypergamy and the abundance of options in their social media DMs and inside of their smartphone dating app. It is impossible to know the women with boyfriends as compared to the single/available ones at fitness classes based on their behavior alone in most cases.
