Is getting testosterone going too far?

[_sideways_]

I hear ya.
Yea...ive been on thinking about this for 6 months now.
Its not like this site is my go to for my health.
Lots of strong opinions though...didnt think it would be the case.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Im always lacking in one body muscle no matter how i train.
Friend is on test cyonate or something...works great i hear.
Its def. Not gear.
Then ill have to be on that for the rest of my life i hear.
Just wanted to hear some thoughts before i speak with my doc.
Thanks.

Accept your genetics. These chemistry experiments are no good.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I have been feeling sluggish and low libido...so thats why this whole thing came up. Agree i have to get tested. Firts thing i said.
I thought gear meant steroids.
Testostesterone is not steroids as far as i know.

Testosterone IS a steroid, what are you talking about??

It's the primary male sex hormone in males.

If you are using it to replace your own Testosterone that isn't being produced then you are using it in accordance to how the body normally does for the most part.

If you are elevating levels to 3-4x normal than that is using like what you are thinking how steroids get used.

However that doesn't make it not a steroid. You are thinking about man-made anabolic steroids, this is a natural steroid.

Steroid definition:

"any of a large class of organic compounds with a characteristic molecular structure containing four rings of carbon atoms (three six-membered and one five). They include many hormones, alkaloids, and vitamins."

Vitamin D is technically a steroid as well.

 

[Xman]

An older guy in the neighborhood got all souped up on steroids and lifting in the gym. He was very aggressive. I would cross the street to avoid him.

Well he went nuts and started fighting people and smashed a bunch of windshields with a baseball bat and got fired from his job and went to jail.

Doubtful he was getting much poon.

 

[Xman]

Vitamin D is technically a steroid as well.

Interesting. Recently I read a study about vitamin D and they concluded that there is no evidence taking vitamin D supplements helps people in anyway.

Vitamin D is a hot button discussion for some. It could be a bogus supplement.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Interesting. Recently I read a study about vitamin D and they concluded that there is no evidence taking vitamin D supplements helps people in anyway.

Vitamin D is a hot button discussion for some. It could be a bogus supplement.

I'd highly disagree with this. Actually, I'd say that's bullsh!t. And literally hundreds of other studies would as well. Vitamin D controls your immune system and gene expression in many cases with new genes found all the time that it interacts with in this way.

It would be very hard, if not nearly impossible, for a substance to have "no effect" if a person was deficient in it with this type of huge, overarching role in the human body.

It is so important to the body that the largest organ in your body, the skin, produces it via sunlight. Think about that for a minute. It is so important that your body has a way to produce it without you having to do anything except walk outside like you were made to do.

And with the number of diseases that are vastly improved or "cured" in people deficient in vitamin D once they obtain the proper amounts of Vitamin D, again, I would say that's nonsensical to suggest.

 

[Xman]

I think eating vitamin d pills is bogus.

 

[EyeBRollin]

It’s probably not anymore bogus than any other supplements. The body seems to not absorb them as effectively as from natural food sources. For Vitamin D go outside and eat your salmon.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I also have to take B12 and D3.
According to my doctor, virtually everyone who is not working/living outdoors has a D3 deficiency. Best way to deal with that is to use UV lamps especially in winter and/or taking vitamin D pills.

Where do you live? Are you a vegan?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

“Steroids” are a normal part of the function of the human body and are produced in varying amounts based on the bodies’ needs:

The adrenal cortex is responsible for producing hormones including cortisol, corticosterone, and aldosterone. It also produces a small amount of testosterone. The majority of testosterone is produced in the testes. In women, the ovaries primarily produce estradiol, estrone, and progesterone. During pregnancy, the placenta is the main source of estriol.

Many people use the word “steroids” to mean exogenous testosterone and other anabolic, man created, androgens.

This is simply a matter of semantics.

A steroid is a type of organic molecule with a characteristic structure of four fused carbon rings. Steroids serve various functions in the body and can be classified into different categories based on their functions and origins. Some common types include:

1. Sex Hormones: Like testosterone, estradiol, and progesterone, which regulate sexual development and function.

2. Corticosteroids: Such as cortisol and aldosterone, which are produced in the adrenal glands and have roles in stress response, metabolism, and electrolyte balance.

3. Anabolic Steroids: Synthetic derivatives of testosterone used to promote muscle and bone growth.

4. Phytosterols: Found in plants and similar in structure to cholesterol.

5. Cholesterol: A precursor to other steroids and a component of cell membranes.

Steroids can also be used medically to treat a variety of conditions, such as inflammation, autoimmune disorders, and hormone imbalances.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Netherlands. No, I'm more to the carnivore side of being omnivore, but like I said, I have kidney stones and (since contracting Covid19 in early 2020) diabetes 2, for which I take Janumet.

The vitamin D deficiency is a geographic challenge. Diet wise, carnivore / near carnivore for Type-2 diabetes is no bueno. It’s like telling a cigarette smoker to vape.

 

[Xman]

Lol there's like 20+ studies saying the exact opposite

Those studies were probably paid for by the people who own the natural vitamin stores.

It is no different than how Starbucks or other coffee giants completely saturated online searches with articles and even science papers touting how healthy it is to drink coffee every day. Meanwhile 90% of American adults are hooked on caffeine every day.

Same shpeel

 

[Xman]

So did I, but since I have kidney stones and diabetes, every 3-4 months I have to collect 24h urine, which is sent to a lab for analysis, and I get a call from a nephrologist, who will give me tips to adjust my diet.
Two things: he wondered how many oranges I ate, because I had a lot of citrate in my urine, however he knows now that I take magnesium citrate every day. He also got me from 3x 1000mg metformin to 2x 1000mg Janumet, which makes me feel much better. I also have to take B12 and D3.
According to my doctor, virtually everyone who is not working/living outdoors has a D3 deficiency. Best way to deal with that is to use UV lamps especially in winter and/or taking vitamin D pills.
If you don't want to believe in D pills, that's fine, but I will listen my doctor.
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There is a lot to unpack right here. I am not a doctor but it sounds like a kaleidoscope of supplements. I did work at a natural vitamin store for some years and for the most part I do not take any supplements after working there. It is just a personal choice that was influenced by consulting with enough clients.

I think most people go overboard on supplements. The bottles themselves contain huge quantities and it aims for customers to over consume and buy more. Most supplements have a counter reactive effect whereas it depletes other nutrients from the body so it is best to under consume them. Just my 2 cents

 

[Gamisch]

Damn..One of the very, very few advantages of having African genetics is that all this mambo jambo isn't necessary haha.

I can look at a dumble and vains start popping out of my arms.

Sounds like y'all trying to take shortcuts..just fecking train harder !

 

[_sideways_]

Im not 20 yrs old trying to get swoll.
Im 40+ noticing differences in my body.
Hence why i want to see a doctor.
But i came here hoping to hear good things from anybody who has gone through with test.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

The truth is that even if you take what the body builders take gear wise, your still not going to be building muscle like crazy without an insane regiment to back it up, I always like to point people to Rich Piana because he tracks his diet fairly well on video and is totally honest about his cycles, he'll tell you exactly what he's on minus the coke, but you can tell, even if you did that diet, Rich seems to be just a great genetic responder which isn't a quality everyone has.

Your expectations are likely warped on what gear can do for you. TRT or gear should be your last choice after you've exhausted a diet based on stimulating your testosterone, getting a lot of Vitamin D, eating around 1/4 your body weight of fat a day to keep testosterone production going, sleeping 8 hours if you can, couple other things

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

creatine hcl is a game changer for me.
really helps squeeze out those last 2 bloody reps.
Not mono but hydrochloride. Maybe try it but drink atleast 3 liters of water a day

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I think eating vitamin d pills is bogus.

You can think whatever you'd like. My vitamin D level was 117 taking 10,000 IUs a day, and I had to cut back to 5000 IUs.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

creatine hcl is a game changer for me.
really helps squeeze out those last 2 bloody reps.
Not mono but hydrochloride. Maybe try it but drink atleast 3 liters of water a day

There is no difference between any of the creatines other than cost. This has been debunked several times in various studies.

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

There is no difference between any of the creatines other than cost. This has been debunked several times in various studies.

performance it’s the same sh1t.
Creatine hcl doesn’t bloat me like mono.
easier on the gut.