Initiating female contact as a male gender role is not as bad as it seems

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

Fairness is an ideal that can never be attained, but it's noble to strive for an ideal.
Expecting anything to be fair is delusional.

yup, understatement, the game is the way its always been and probably always will be

 

[BaronOfHair]

yup, understatement, the game is the way its always been and probably always will be

We can only assume that this is what both Red Pillers and Intersectionalists alike mean, when they start blubbering about "Gynocentrism" and "Patriarchy", respectively. That double standards exist for men and women alike, and that are flaws in society which disproportionately affect one gender more than another

All true enough, nonetheless this raises questions such as:

-"What do we do to rectify these things?"

-"Is it humanly possible to vanquish them once and for all?"

-"Isn't simply reducing disparities between to the sexes, to the degree that this is humanly possible, enough?"

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

We can only assume that this is what both Red Pillers and Intersectionalists alike mean, when they start blubbering about "Gynocentrism" and "Patriarchy", respectively. That double standards exist for men and women alike, and that are flaws in society which disproportionately affect one gender more than another

All true enough, nonetheless this raises questions such as:

-"What do we do to rectify these things?"

-"Is it humanly possible to vanquish them once and for all?"

-"Isn't simply reducing disparities between to the sexes, to the degree that this is humanly possible, enough?"

yeah, i've heard some say, the game is designed to keep men single alone by default, but for women to by default always have options and choices, always have suitors, when i say designed to keep men alone, single by default, well, obviously, because normally men don't have women making passes at them.

 

[BaronOfHair]

yeah, i've heard some say, the game is designed to keep men single alone by default....

And whenever we ask The Ayatollahs Of Red Pill Theology "Who specifically designed The Game?", "What do you even mean by game?", or/and "What evidence are you basing your assertions on?", we treated to non-responsives replies, or answers grounded in half-truths


"....but for women to by default always have options and choices"

As we've discussed earlier https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...as-bad-as-it-seems.282323/page-3#post-3121147 , even attractive women have to learn the nuances of what draws the sexes together. And women's options tend to drop off sharply, once they're into their 3rd decades of life https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...in-the-dating-game.281720/page-5#post-3116965




"....well, obviously, because normally men don't have women making passes at them"

Brings us back around to a topic we've been discussing here https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/looksmaxxing-goes-mainstream.282162/ Many men TODAY don't have chicks hitting on them, thanks in no small part to the fact that things which were self-evident to men in the not-too-distant past (Maintain yourself with physical exercise, clear up facial acne, keep your hair well-groomed, wear clothes that befit a man, instead of looking like a child, etc)now being scoffed at as "Looksmaxxing" or "Promoting tradcon values". When so many of us mistake looking and speaking like THIS https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...cs/ukip-rape-joke-candidate-carl-16170201.amp or this https://www.patreon.com/doctor for "being authentic", it's no surprise that so few men today have experiences like this

on even an occasional basis

 

[Hamurabimbi]

And whenever we ask The Ayatollahs Of Red Pill Theology "Who specifically designed The Game?", "What do you even mean by game?", or/and "What evidence are you basing your assertions on?", we treated to non-responsives replies, or answers grounded in half-truths


"....but for women to by default always have options and choices"

As we've discussed earlier https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...as-bad-as-it-seems.282323/page-3#post-3121147 , even attractive women have to learn the nuances of what draws the sexes together. And women's options tend to drop off sharply, once they're into their 3rd decades of life https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...in-the-dating-game.281720/page-5#post-3116965




"....well, obviously, because normally men don't have women making passes at them"

Brings us back around to a topic we've been discussing here https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/looksmaxxing-goes-mainstream.282162/ Many men TODAY don't have chicks hitting on them, thanks in no small part to the fact that things which were self-evident to men in the not-too-distant past (Maintain yourself with physical exercise, clear up facial acne, keep your hair well-groomed, wear clothes that befit a man, instead of looking like a child, etc)now being scoffed at as "Looksmaxxing" or "Promoting tradcon values". When so many of us mistake looking and speaking like THIS https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...cs/ukip-rape-joke-candidate-carl-16170201.amp or this https://www.patreon.com/doctor for "being authentic", it's no surprise that so few men today have experiences like this

on even an occasional basis

That was subtle. This is more appropriate:

 

[BaronOfHair]

That was subtle. This is more appropriate:

Yeah... Those who want to be appealing to not just the opposite sex, but the rest of humanity more generally, have to look and act the part of an attractive person. This is true for men AND women alike. Sydney Sweeney wouldn't have become this decade's It Girl, if she looked, spoke, and acted like this

Lizzo Calls Herself a 'Roll Model' as She Shares Sexy Beachside Bikini Photos

The "Truth Hurts" singer rocked an orange two-piece as she hit the beach in Brazil

people.com

Instead of

For Actress Sydney Sweeney, Sexiness "Isn't One-Dimensional"

The Euphoria star models Parade's latest silky mesh collection, becoming the first celebrity face of the buzzy lingerie brand.

www.harpersbazaar.com

MGTOWs, MGTOW lites, and self-described Incels are little more than male equivalents of Chantty Binx https://m.imdb.com/title/tt7208418/mediaviewer/rm3370787328/ Who experience a meltdown at their fellow women reading books like The Rules, then find it shocking that everyone from servers at Long Horn to probate court judges don't receive them especially warmly

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

And whenever we ask The Ayatollahs Of Red Pill Theology "Who specifically designed The Game?", "What do you even mean by game?", or/and "What evidence are you basing your assertions on?", we treated to non-responsives replies, or answers grounded in half-truths


"....but for women to by default always have options and choices"

As we've discussed earlier https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...as-bad-as-it-seems.282323/page-3#post-3121147 , even attractive women have to learn the nuances of what draws the sexes together. And women's options tend to drop off sharply, once they're into their 3rd decades of life https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...in-the-dating-game.281720/page-5#post-3116965




"....well, obviously, because normally men don't have women making passes at them"

Brings us back around to a topic we've been discussing here https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/looksmaxxing-goes-mainstream.282162/ Many men TODAY don't have chicks hitting on them, thanks in no small part to the fact that things which were self-evident to men in the not-too-distant past (Maintain yourself with physical exercise, clear up facial acne, keep your hair well-groomed, wear clothes that befit a man, instead of looking like a child, etc)now being scoffed at as "Looksmaxxing" or "Promoting tradcon values". When so many of us mistake looking and speaking like THIS https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...cs/ukip-rape-joke-candidate-carl-16170201.amp or this https://www.patreon.com/doctor for "being authentic", it's no surprise that so few men today have experiences like this

on even an occasional basis

well i'm saying that because, for all time, the way it has always been, is that, women, even if they like a man, are attracted to a certain guy, they still 99 percent of the time will never shoot their shot with him

 

[GoodMan32]

Yeah... Those who want to be appealing to not just the opposite sex, but the rest of humanity more generally, have to look and act the part of an attractive person. This is true for men AND women alike. Sydney Sweeney wouldn't have become this decade's It Girl, if she looked, spoke, and acted like this

Lizzo Calls Herself a 'Roll Model' as She Shares Sexy Beachside Bikini Photos

The "Truth Hurts" singer rocked an orange two-piece as she hit the beach in Brazil

people.com

Instead of

For Actress Sydney Sweeney, Sexiness "Isn't One-Dimensional"

The Euphoria star models Parade's latest silky mesh collection, becoming the first celebrity face of the buzzy lingerie brand.

www.harpersbazaar.com

MGTOWs, MGTOW lites, and self-described Incels are little more than male equivalents of Chantty Binx https://m.imdb.com/title/tt7208418/mediaviewer/rm3370787328/ Who experience a meltdown at their fellow women reading books like The Rules, then find it shocking that everyone from servers at Long Horn to probate court judges don't receive them especially warmly

I've been told I resemble Jared Kushner, Steve from Blue's Clues, and Sheldon from Big Bang Theory. In other words, I don't look like a slob.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I've been told I resemble Jared Kushner, Steve from Blue's Clues, and Sheldon from Big Bang Theory

Looks are only half the battle. Zendaya wouldn't be the wet dream of every heterosexual male on the planet, if she looked had a mouth that could easily masquerade as a landfill, ala. Leslie Jones

 

[BaronOfHair]

Fairness is an ideal that can never be attained, but it's noble to strive for an ideal.
Expecting anything to be fair is delusional.

There actually is a twisted fairness to the fact that life is unfair to EVERYONE sometimes

 

[Hamurabimbi]

well i'm saying that because, for all time, the way it has always been, is that, women, even if they like a man, are attracted to a certain guy, they still 99 percent of the time will never shoot their shot with him

It’s uncommon. But not THAT rare.

 

[Salvation]

Nah, imo girls have the ultimate power if sex happens or not. It's not 'also difficult' for them, they are just very stupid about it if they think they have a problem in that department. As an average woman you literally just look at a guy consequently. And react positively to his advances. If you wanna go 'advanced' you can ask him some random question like 'do you know how long this place is open'.
Or you go on tinder and as an average woman still have eg 2000 likes (like a female co-worker of mine, which is like a 5).

Woman have different problems. Like hardly being attracted to anyone. Like feeling afraid when they walk home alone. Like getting the Chad to commit. But getting sex is just not one of the problems.

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

Nah, imo girls have the ultimate power if sex happens or not. It's not 'also difficult' for them, they are just very stupid about it if they think they have a problem in that department. As an average woman you literally just look at a guy consequently. And react positively to his advances. If you wanna go 'advanced' you can ask him some random question like 'do you know how long this place is open'.
Or you go on tinder and as an average woman still have eg 2000 likes (like a female co-worker of mine, which is like a 5).

Woman have different problems. Like hardly being attracted to anyone. Like feeling afraid when they walk home alone. Like getting the Chad to commit. But getting sex is just not one of the problems.

In your last sentence, that sums it up perfect, would also include, having dating options or getting attention from men, having offers, is never an issue or problem for them, they always have that by default, thats the luxury of being on the receiving end of sexual attention.

Men are naturally in scarcity, Women are naturally in abundance, even lots of mens dating coaches say that.