Information on Accessing Your Past Lifetimes

[Wiesman44]

I haven't ignored it u bum, I just haven't read this thread in a while. Check your PM.

 

[AAAgent]

i'm also interested. If you could pm me as well. What kind of proof can you use to identify a real psychic from a fake psychic? In Chinese culture we have fortune tellers that can tell u things about your life/past/future/etc. by palm reading, skull reading, facial reading, birth date, posture, almost anything. Sometimes it makes sense and is believable but sometimes i feel like my parents just got scammed when they took me to these places when i was a kid.

 

[Alle_Gory]

I haven't ignored it u bum, I just haven't read this thread in a while. Check your PM.

Well, I was unbiased until I saw this:

"HAPPY 2010! Less than 3 years until 12-21-2012!"

and

"EARTH CHANGES and 2012. Order Now!"

on his website: http://www.salrachele.com/


Now clearly, he takes this 2012 seriously because he doesn't know anything or he's cashing in on it like most frauds. Dec 21st, 2012 is just the end of the Mayan calendar which ends on the winter solstice.

Now, let me give you more on the man, from his OWN website:

Sal Rachele was re-ordained a priest in the Order of Melchizedek in 1991 in Sedona, Arizona. He has been a member since the time of Atlantis. The Order of Melchizedek is an intergalactic group with headquarters in the Alcyone system, as well as the Pleiades and Sirius.

from: http://www.salrachele.com/priest.htm

The hell? Now I can't prove he's not a member of an "intergalactic group", but I can prove that Atlantis never existed. It was a tool that Plato invented for argument. A story. Sherlock Holmes is no more real than Atlantis as they both exist in fiction and are used to tell stories. Atlantis was mentioned in Plato's Timaeus which is full of metaphors and stories like most great works of philosophy.

 

[Wiesman44]

Well, I was unbiased until I saw this:


but I can prove that Atlantis never existed. It was a tool that Plato invented for argument. A story.

http://www.atlantisquest.com/Plato.html

Check out that website. Has a bunch of interesting facts regarding Atlantis, where its located, the evidence that they've uncovered so far that proves it could have existed.

You, my friend, cannot prove Atlantis never existed, nor can you prove Plato was using it as a work of fiction.

 

[Alle_Gory]

http://www.atlantisquest.com/Plato.html

Check out that website. Has a bunch of interesting facts regarding Atlantis, where its located, the evidence that they've uncovered so far that proves it could have existed.

You, my friend, cannot prove Atlantis never existed, nor can you prove Plato was using it as a work of fiction.

There is no other mention of Atlantis before Plato. How can this be? This advanced civilization existing for thousands of years and no one mentions it before Plato and no evidence is uncovered of its existence either geographical or archeological. Surely they must have left SOMETHING behind.

But you're right. I cannot prove that Plato is using Atlantis as a work of fiction no more than I can prove that a compulsive liar is telling the truth for once. But I can prove that most of Plato's works are fiction, and the story of Atlantis is too grand to say it is fact. And I can prove that there's no evidence that it *did* exist before Plato first mentions it.

Therefore there is an extremely good chance that Plato made it up, like everything else.

 

[Rogue]

You, my friend, cannot prove Atlantis never existed, nor can you prove Plato was using it as a work of fiction.

My source kicks your source.

http://www.skeptically.org/skepticism/id4.html

The enduring question, now two millennia old, is whether Plato's account of Atlantis is a description of an actual civilization that sunk beneath the waves, or a tantalizing tale that rose up wholly from the depths of the Athenian philosopher's imagination. In general terms there are three possible conclusions to be made for the Atlantis legend:

the account is entirely factual and inerrant;
it is a blend of fact, fiction, and error; or
it is entirely fictional.

Most cranks and all legitimate scholars alike have jettisoned the first conclusion. Unfortunately these cranks and several scholars agree on the second possibility, but the great pitfall is that each detail of Plato's Atlantis that is cast aside so that it will fit a theory weakens the very premise of having solved the question of whether Atlantis existed. Librarian Rand Flem-Ath thinks Atlantis is really Antarctica; Swiss geoarcheologist Eberhard Zangger thinks Atlantis is Troy. But the more that Plato's dates, location, and other details are changed, the less stands to be proven about the truth of Atlantis. It becomes as ridiculous as arguing that a missing Victorian house in Hackensack, New Jersey was really a Spanish Villa in Mexico City all along, QED.

Scholars who would concede that there is any fact at all behind the Atlantis legend usually argue that Plato has only dimly recalled a Bronze cataclysm in the Aegean Sea, either on Crete or Santorini, but that his account is largely fictional. Yet all the evidence shows, I will argue, that Plato's Atlantis account is beyond a reasonable doubt entirely fictional-a utopian myth concocted to vividly illustrate Plato's political philosophy. Invoking Ray Hyman's categorical imperative of first making sure an explanation is needed before trying to explain a mystery, we can then dispense with any discussion of "explanations" or "sources" for the Atlantis legend

There are important distinctions between Homer's Troy and Plato's Atlantis: the obvious one is that the ruins of Troy have been found where Homer said they were: the proof is in the pudding. Also, the Iliad and its heroes are part of a mythic tradition that suffused Greek art and culture. Pottery shows scenes from the Trojan War and depicts heroes like Achilles, Ajax, and Odysseus. Long-standing local legends and religious myths also allude to many of the characters. Many of the places mentioned in the Iliad were recognized by Greeks of Plato's time. There is even solid evidence that Iliad (and its companion work, the Odyssey) themselves have deep roots into the past. Milman Parry's landmark work in the 1930s analyzing the structure of Homeric poetry and comparing it with oral poetry among the Serbs, demonstrates that the Iliad is essentially an oral poem woven from conventional phrases and lays handed down through generations of Greek bards. Though committed to writing, the poetry itself is a product of oral mnemonic and metric composition.

Plato's Timaeus and Critias, by contrast, are non-traditional: his dialogues are original prose compositions. Atlantis is mentioned by no one before Plato, and was never part of the broader interconnected traditions of ceramic art, poetry, literary allusions, local legends, or monumental architecture. There is no evidence to show that tales of Atlantis were handed down through generations from an age long before Plato.

There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate that Atlantis represented any real place at any time. Where the story contains descriptions or events that resemble historic happenings, it only does so to the degree that any piece of fiction relies on experiences of reality. All of the evidence points to the story being one of Plato's noble lies: useful fictions used to make a point, not to refer to the past.

Atlantis continues to captivate people's imaginations because it offers the hope that lost ideals or some untapped human potential will someday be uncovered, not the masonry blocks of a dead civilization. Scrying for crumbled roads in Bimini or poring over the outline of some terra incognita on a forged map ignore the real Atlantis, the undiscovered country of human ideals.

 

[Wiesman44]

Interesting article. I can understand both sides to this argument. But I am a believer in Atlantis. I do believe one of the past lives that I somewhat remember was during the time of Atlantis. There are thousands of other people with memories similar to mine..... so i guess we're all just crazy then.

 

[Alle_Gory]

There are thousands of other people with memories similar to mine..... so i guess we're all just crazy then.

If there's thousands of other people with memories similar to yours, I see two possibilities:

1. Maybe Atlantis *did* exist and its just coincidence that of the thousands of clients that most have past lives in Atlantis. Even though if Atlantis *did* exist, it was probably a small population compared to the world at the time which was at most a few hundred million people. How lucky is that?? That most clients used to live in Atlantis at one time or another.

2. It's BS. Its simply the power of hypnotic suggestion and your imagination does the rest.