Incels experience a complex combination of psychiatric symptoms but feel they cannot be helped by mental health professionals

[BadBoy89]

Incels are a subculture of mostly young men who feel frustrated because they are unable to form romantic or sexual relationships. While most incels do not engage in violence, some discussions within the community involve suicide, self-harm, and admiration for violent acts committed by others in the name of inceldom. The ideology of incels has been linked to several mass murders and deaths since 2014.

Incels experience a complex combination of psychiatric symptoms but feel they cannot be helped by mental health professionals

People who identify as incels (involuntary celibates) have higher rates of self-reported mental health disorders compared to the general male population, according to new research published in Behavioral Sciences of Terrorism and Political Aggression. Despite their elevated psychiatric symptoms...

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Interestingly, the participants expressed a desire for help in areas such as improving their looks, social skills, and maximizing their attractiveness. However, they showed skepticism towards traditional mental health therapy and believed that their challenges were primarily physical rather than psychological.

Common coping strategies included engaging in media entertainment like video games, consuming pornography, using social media, and turning to food.

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Thoughts?

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

Therapy is primarily for middle class normies trying to work out their domestic and existential issues. I personally don't believe therapists especially female therapists would be able to identify with the plight of an incel.

 

[corrector]

Therapy is primarily for middle class normies trying to work out their domestic and existential issues. I personally don't believe therapists especially female therapists would be able to identify with the plight of an incel.

Yeah, they'll probably do more harm than help.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Therapy is primarily for middle class normies trying to work out their domestic and existential issues. I personally don't believe therapists especially female therapists would be able to identify with the plight of an incel.

Or issues from having narc parents, which affects more people

 

[Mike32ct]

Or issues from having narc parents, which affects more people

This. I think poor parenting is the biggest source of celdom.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

This. I think poor parenting is the biggest source of celdom.

Just knock on doors and you'll get a great job so you can buy a house. Don't tell me that doesn't work, figure it out on your own. I got mine and I'm doing me, kid.

 

[corsica]

What can the health professionals do? Hire an escort so they can get laid?

 

[Mike32ct]

Just knock on doors and you'll get a great job so you can buy a house. Don't tell me that doesn't work, figure it out on your own. I got mine and I'm doing me, kid.

Dad: “He’s just shy. He’ll grow out of it.”

Mom: “Yeah he’s only 46. Someday the right girl will find him. I mean you and I didn’t meet until I was almost 19.”

 

[BadBoy89]

What can the health professionals do? Hire an escort so they can get laid?

Exactly.

Mental Health professionals don’t do crap. They just want to get “paid”.

1 - I had some issues and wanted to talk to a mental health professional. I called a company with 15 professionals and chose a lady that was 27 + hot. I told the secretary “I run a medium sized company, a lot of people answer to me. I don’t need a 27 year old girl to tell me what to do for $150 / hour. Instead, to help me mentally, have her have coffee with me, I will pay. THAT will help me MENTALLY.’ She said “sorry, that’s not what we do.” OK, then you should say on your website: “We are mental professionals. For $150 / hour, we will tell you what we think we help you. We don’t care what you think will help you.”

2 - My dad is so desperate for a grandchild that he wanted me to go with a Surrogate in the Ukraine. You go down there, talk to the doctors, the give you a Surrogate and all that crap. He emailed them back and forth and they said “Come down to Ukraine, for $80,000, you can pick the sex of the baby, eye color, hair color, we have doctor there to go through the process, you get updates on the mom, the baby will have a Nanny for first 2 years, etc, etc, etc. My dad was excited. He sent me the email. I told them “OK, whatever you say for $80,000 is good. BUT I need to have SEX with the surrogate. If she gets pregnant, I’ll give you $250,000 for all that other crap. I don’t even need to know her name, just that her genetics are OK and she is young and hot. But I’ll triple the number just so I can have sex with her and she get pregnant.”. NO REPLY.

So all the Alpha Dogs on here, because the gift of your love is so valuable, you should charge a hot girl $250,000 every time you have sex with her.

 

[corrector]

Exactly.

Mental Health professionals don’t do crap. They just want to get “paid”.

1 - I had some issues and wanted to talk to a mental health professional. I called a company with 15 professionals and chose a lady that was 27 + hot. I told the secretary “I run a medium sized company, a lot of people answer to me. I don’t need a 27 year old girl to tell me what to do for $150 / hour. Instead, to help me mentally, have her have coffee with me, I will pay. THAT will help me MENTALLY.’ She said “sorry, that’s not what we do.” OK, then you should say on your website: “We are mental professionals. For $150 / hour, we will tell you what we think we help you. We don’t care what you think will help you.”

2 - My dad is so desperate for a grandchild that he wanted me to go with a Surrogate in the Ukraine. You go down there, talk to the doctors, the give you a Surrogate and all that crap. He emailed them back and forth and they said “Come down to Ukraine, for $80,000, you can pick the sex of the baby, eye color, hair color, we have doctor there to go through the process, you get updates on the mom, the baby will have a Nanny for first 2 years, etc, etc, etc. My dad was excited. He sent me the email. I told them “OK, whatever you say for $80,000 is good. BUT I need to have SEX with the surrogate. If she gets pregnant, I’ll give you $250,000 for all that other crap. I don’t even need to know her name, just that her genetics are OK and she is young and hot. But I’ll triple the number just so I can have sex with her and she get pregnant.”. NO REPLY.

So all the Alpha Dogs on here, because the gift of your love is so valuable, you should charge a hot girl $250,000 every time you have sex with her.

Yeah, it's just ironic. I was thinking about the same thing, not that I have that type of money to blow, but the mental exercise of it. You can't sex up a surrogate for a baby. You can't sex up your female psyche therapist and practise with her to treat ED. It looks like what you really need to do is wife up someone the traditional way and have your own children and, if you have a good wife, then she can sort out some of the mental issues. I don't think you can compartmentalize and pay-off women to take the place of what only a wife can do.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Exactly.

Mental Health professionals don’t do crap. They just want to get “paid”.

1 - I had some issues and wanted to talk to a mental health professional. I called a company with 15 professionals and chose a lady that was 27 + hot. I told the secretary “I run a medium sized company, a lot of people answer to me. I don’t need a 27 year old girl to tell me what to do for $150 / hour. Instead, to help me mentally, have her have coffee with me, I will pay. THAT will help me MENTALLY.’ She said “sorry, that’s not what we do.” OK, then you should say on your website: “We are mental professionals. For $150 / hour, we will tell you what we think we help you. We don’t care what you think will help you.”

2 - My dad is so desperate for a grandchild that he wanted me to go with a Surrogate in the Ukraine. You go down there, talk to the doctors, the give you a Surrogate and all that crap. He emailed them back and forth and they said “Come down to Ukraine, for $80,000, you can pick the sex of the baby, eye color, hair color, we have doctor there to go through the process, you get updates on the mom, the baby will have a Nanny for first 2 years, etc, etc, etc. My dad was excited. He sent me the email. I told them “OK, whatever you say for $80,000 is good. BUT I need to have SEX with the surrogate. If she gets pregnant, I’ll give you $250,000 for all that other crap. I don’t even need to know her name, just that her genetics are OK and she is young and hot. But I’ll triple the number just so I can have sex with her and she get pregnant.”. NO REPLY.

So all the Alpha Dogs on here, because the gift of your love is so valuable, you should charge a hot girl $250,000 every time you have sex with her.

Why should they acknowledge the heart of the situation? The sexual marketplace currently benefits 100% of the females, 20% of the males, and the former marketplace worked well enough for 70% of the Boomer-Age men. Given that things have worked out for roughly 70-75% of the adult population and it not working out is a matter of embarrassment, no one wants to hear about it.

When I was a young dude I told my parents the dating scene was messed up, they told me to go to a "massage place" and to never mention it again.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Blaming a guy for being an incel in the current evinroment after society and family provided him nothing but inadeguate tools and feedbacks is like being mad at a blind lion for being unable to hunt after you forbid him to run and convinced him that we are all vegetarians.

 

[corona20]

yes, it cannot be helped by health professionals. It's true...its just false hope they are giving. The only one thing that can help them is..themselves and the motivation for a change. Their Body game + re calibration of their social game.

Just kind of like women, She may have a butterface and nice body.. but You still willing to fak em for it.

 

[SW15]

What can the health professionals do? Hire an escort so they can get laid?

In general, psychotherapy (including psychiatry with use of prescription drugs) is not going to turn an incel into a seducer.

Psychotherapy isn't going to make an incel get more right swipes on an app. Psychotherapy is not going to increase reply rates from Instagram DMs.

Psychotherapy isn't going to make much of a difference on initial cold approaches either. It's even debatable if psychotherapy can reduce the number/percentage of failed first dates and get more 2nd dates.

The sexual marketplace currently benefits 100% of the females, 20% of the males, and the former marketplace worked well enough for 70% of the Boomer-Age men.

The former sexual marketplace of the mid-1960s to late 1980s was very kind to Boomer males. Right now, there are many 60-75 year old Boomer males who had decent experiences in the sexual marketplace. Their first marriage either lasted 40+ years (remember longevity does not equal quality) or they divorced and re-married with ease. Had these Boomers been born in the Millennial generation with similar attributes as they had in their younger days, they would be incel or borderline incel in the sexual marketplace of the 2000s-present.

 

[corrector]

In general, psychotherapy (including psychiatry with use of prescription drugs) is not going to turn an incel into a seducer.

Psychotherapy isn't going to make an incel get more right swipes on an app. Psychotherapy is not going to increase reply rates from Instagram DMs.

Psychotherapy isn't going to make much of a difference on initial cold approaches either. It's even debatable if psychotherapy can reduce the number/percentage of failed first dates and get more 2nd dates.

Yeah, it's like someone giving psychotherapy to someone who is suffering mental distress for being broke, homeless, and saying that's going to fix it rather than giving them the supports they need or a living wage job.

The only time I visited a psychotherapist was a few months after the "spiritual attacks" from visiting that escort 9 years ago. I'd rather not visit another escort in the first place than visit a psychotherpist about any reaction from visiting an escort. You visited a psychotherapist because of anxiety related issues about your interactions with women and was not related to you being incel (ie as you claim to have a high notch count).

 

[SW15]

You visited a psychotherapist because of anxiety related issues about your interactions with women and was not related to you being incel (ie as you claim to have a high notch count).

You're partially correct. You're correct on account of my lifetime notch count and anxiety related issues from my interactions. I did receive treatment for an anxiety disorder. I was evaluated for PTSD but my past traumas did not indicate the present of PTSD.

There were also childhood traumas that were not directly related to my woman life.

Psychotherapy doesn't make anyone a better early stage seducer. It might help in the middle of an interaction though.

 

[corrector]

It might help in the middle of an interaction though.

You find it helpful then in this sense. How might it help?

 

[MatureDJ]

Incels are a subculture of mostly young men who feel frustrated because they are unable to form romantic or sexual relationships. While most incels do not engage in violence, some discussions within the community involve suicide, self-harm, and admiration for violent acts committed by others in the name of inceldom. The ideology of incels has been linked to several mass murders and deaths since 2014.

Incels experience a complex combination of psychiatric symptoms but feel they cannot be helped by mental health professionals

People who identify as incels (involuntary celibates) have higher rates of self-reported mental health disorders compared to the general male population, according to new research published in Behavioral Sciences of Terrorism and Political Aggression. Despite their elevated psychiatric symptoms...

www.psypost.org

Interestingly, the participants expressed a desire for help in areas such as improving their looks, social skills, and maximizing their attractiveness. However, they showed skepticism towards traditional mental health therapy and believed that their challenges were primarily physical rather than psychological.

Common coping strategies included engaging in media entertainment like video games, consuming pornography, using social media, and turning to food.

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Thoughts?

This is like saying that men who engage in food riots have some mental issues making them riot ... no, the only issue is that they can't afford to buy food! Similarly, incels have "mental issues" because they can't secure a non-pro to have a sexual relationship with.

 

[MatureDJ]

Exactly.
2 - My dad is so desperate for a grandchild that he wanted me to go with a Surrogate in the Ukraine. You go down there, talk to the doctors, the give you a Surrogate and all that crap. He emailed them back and forth and they said “Come down to Ukraine, for $80,000, you can pick the sex of the baby, eye color, hair color, we have doctor there to go through the process, you get updates on the mom, the baby will have a Nanny for first 2 years, etc, etc, etc. My dad was excited. He sent me the email. I told them “OK, whatever you say for $80,000 is good. BUT I need to have SEX with the surrogate. If she gets pregnant, I’ll give you $250,000 for all that other crap. I don’t even need to know her name, just that her genetics are OK and she is young and hot. But I’ll triple the number just so I can have sex with her and she get pregnant.”. NO REPLY.

Perhaps you should have made the deal that you get 3 months of sex, but if she still hasn't conceived, you allow for the sperm insemination?

Really, sometimes I feel like if I see a simple but beautiful EE chick, I should bring a translator and just go up to her parents and say that I would like to start a family with their hot daughter, and here is the cash in escrow - and if the gal ends up taking a liking to my short a33, I'll be a good husband. I remember one time spoiling myself with a fresh, young elite escort, and I think I should have just asked her to marry me right there .

 

[MatureDJ]

Therapy is primarily for middle class normies trying to work out their domestic and existential issues. I personally don't believe therapists especially female therapists would be able to identify with the plight of an incel.

Yes, it's like a vegan going to a physician and complaining about all xer health problems, and the physician just saying, "eat meat, and your problems will disappear".