Incel Rebellion

[AJ84]

Just because YOU tell us that they are "true alpha men" doesn't mean that it is true.

What does a girl know about being a man?

You also say stupid things like you have a "beard fetish." Can you not see that having a beard is not any sort of value?

I say stupid things? That's rich.

Oh Richard, nothing but love for ya.

You should totally grow a beard

 

[corrector]

As I said in that quote while someone suggest prostitution can mitigate the problem, I dont believe thats the point.

To make it simple what turn those individuals mad is lack of human contact and validation not lack of sex.

There are plenty of virgin nerds who are happy cause they are worshipped for their work and collect award after award.

Legal prostitution would help those guys for two reason even if it wont solve the problem.

Those whose frustration comes from lack of sex could use a prostitute at a fixed market price in a safe environment, betas usually avoid illegal and dangerous places before they snatch.

Legal prostitution would take away from women the attention of sex starved men who would instead just buy the product therefore women wouldnt be as picky, bitch1 and overconfident as now where they operate in a monopolistic market.

I will reiterate again, Canada, has a de facto legal prostitution as long as no sex trafficking or minors are involved. If there is no enforcement of a law, then it is just a law in the books and is irrelevant. Therefore, any association with this madman in Toronto, and the availability of prostitute services in Toronto without worrying about being arrested is simply not true. I am from Toronto and I have never seen any raids or issues with any adult escorts or their clients being taken in. Any real enforcement of this comes from the United States which is south of our border and, of course, the States likes locking everyone up for things that would not even be a criminal offense at all in Canada (i.e. a bounced cheque, etc....)

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I say stupid things? That's rich.

Oh Richard, nothing but love for ya.

You should totally grow a beard

Please inform us how having a beard is real value.

 

[corrector]

Feeling they deserve and actually deserving is not the same. If a guy is not attracting it's him that needs to adapt and overcome, not the billions of women worldwide.

What do you mean billions of women worldwide? I think Stacies is a very small subgroup of college aged women at are very much in demand and have a sky-high SMV. That type of women do you pull?

Abusive people are sure as fvck not alpha, it's the suppressed guys who lash out in anger. They're passive until the day they blow up. Your point of view is a niceguys point of view. Niceguys are not nice, no matter how much they claim to be. Often they are delusional and their actions are certainly not nice. They use force thinking "they deserve better", but don't act in a way that deserves the attention they crave. They are totally oblivious to this fact and I'm starting to think you are too?

How are they delusional? Are you saying that every nice guy is going to take out a gun or a van and start killing people, or is it just nice guys who disagree with you? Or maybe they are just mainly white nice guys because black and asian nice guys don't seem to be behaving like that? What are you?

 

[Who Dares Win]

I will reiterate again, Canada, has a de facto legal prostitution as long as no sex trafficking or minors are involved. If there is no enforcement of a law, then it is just a law in the books and is irrelevant. Therefore, any association with this madman in Toronto, and the availability of prostitute services in Toronto without worrying about being arrested is simply not true. I am from Toronto and I have never seen any raids or issues with any adult escorts or their clients being taken in. Any real enforcement of this comes from the United States which is south of our border and, of course, the States likes locking everyone up for things that would not even be a criminal offense at all in Canada (i.e. a bounced cheque, etc....)

I disagree. Paid for sex and willingly given and mutually enjoyed sex are two completely different things.

One will only highlight the absence of the second, not make desire for it go away.

One is like a tasteless protein shake to end the hunger pangs. Another is a delectable eight course meal prepared by a master chef.

Getting tasteless protein shakes while being forced outside to look through the window of restaurants where diners consume lavish meals would only further enrage the protein shake drinkers.

The much bigger problem is entitlement.

Once you feel entitled to something, yet you can't it to save your life, that's when the anger begins.

Unfortunately, there are MILLIONS of people who feel entitled to things that are simultaneously out of reach.

As I clarified not once but twice, I believe the problem those guys pose is not sex related but validation and human contact related.

For those of you who remember the spree killer sodini, he had plenty of money, he could get hollywood escorts if he wanted yet it was the lack of validation that drove him insane.

The legalization of prostitution or de facto availability wouldnt help them directly, it "may" happen indirectly cause it will remove from women, the attention they get from guys looking for sex only, those same guys who would hit on prostitutes more and more often if the way to do it was simple, cheap and free of risks like holland or germany.

While prostitution is not exactly legal in south europe, its not fought nor hampered however what you get are expensive low class prostitutes with an armed pimp in the nearby room, this fact alone pushes away plenty of clients who would do it in a proper red light district.

No need to say that I agree that paying for a woman is not the same as picking up a girl who genuinely find you attractive and have sex with her.

Agree on the entitlement issue too altough I consider it way less important than the validation one.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Agree on the entitlement issue too altough I consider it way less important than the validation one.

Entitlement supersedes validation. Especially since most people feel entitled to validation. Most men feel it is their birthright to receive validation from a woman in the form of sexual intimacy.

Desire for validation in absence of entitlement motivates people to act and behave in ways to achieve that desired validation.

sodini felt entitled to his desired validation which is why he expected it without the normal responsibility of achieving it on his own.

People that feel entitled to validation tend to speak in terms of conspiracies, broken markets, or any other idea that matches with "it's not my fault that I can get my validation"

A general feeling of entitlement cuts off the normal motivation to achieve validation, as it is an expectation to receive without effort.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Entitlement supersedes validation. Especially since most people feel entitled to validation. Most men feel it is their birthright to receive validation from a woman in the form of sexual intimacy.

Desire for validation in absence of entitlement motivates people to act and behave in ways to achieve that desired validation.

sodini felt entitled to his desired validation which is why he expected it without the normal responsibility of achieving it on his own.

People that feel entitled to validation tend to speak in terms of conspiracies, broken markets, or any other idea that matches with "it's not my fault that I can get my validation"

A general feeling of entitlement cuts off the normal motivation to achieve validation, as it is an expectation to receive without effort.

Sodini spent plenty of time doing sport and "studying" game which is exactly what is suggested in this board, I dont believe what you said about him is correct in terms of him not doing whats necessary to achieve it.

He basically flipped when he found out that despite his efforts, he wasnt enough to succeed, finding out that his goal was out of reach no matter his efforts.

Personally I find it very hard for a mistreated men in modern days western world to feel "entitled" to intimacy, we've been told since we are kids that such things require work and "luck"...he may be lucky say the average girl when a guy may get sex from her.

Right now entitlement toward sex and sexual validation is very hard to find in a western man, let alone a lonely ugly man from caucasus living in canada imo.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Sodini spent plenty of time doing sport and "studying" game which is exactly what is suggested in this board, I dont believe what you said about him is correct in terms of him not doing whats necessary to achieve it.

He didn't study game any differently than half the goofs on this board who do nothing but complain.

Studying is much different than EMBRACING and practicing.

 

[Serenity]

What do you mean billions of women worldwide? I think Stacies is a very small subgroup of college aged women at are very much in demand and have a sky-high SMV. That type of women do you pull?

The guys we're talking about don't pull anyone. The fact that you're even using the word "Stacies" further indicates to me that you think like the losers I speak of.

How are they delusional?

They claim to be so nice and treat women well, but their actions do not align. They're incongruent as fvck and act extremely immature if they don't get their way. They certainly don't take rejections and act like stuck up kids, an actual nice man wouldn't. So guys going above and beyond claiming to be nice is a big fat red flag, more often than not the exact opposite is true.

Are you saying that every nice guy is going to take out a gun or a van and start killing people, or is it just nice guys who disagree with you?

You're either trying to make my point seem absurd (which it is not) or your thinking really does lack so much nuance that you don't get my point. Of course not every one of these pathetic losers will pull a gun to seek revenge on the world, most of them just remain chronically miserable and blaming the world for everything.

Or maybe they are just mainly white nice guys because black and asian nice guys don't seem to be behaving like that?

I purposely ignored this in your previous reply, but you insist on making this a racial matter. It is not! There's losers of every color.

What are you?

Last time I checked I was a man. Maybe you should be more specific about what you're referring to with this question?

 

[Who Dares Win]

He didn't study game any differently than half the goofs on this board who do nothing but complain.

Studying is much different than EMBRACING and practicing.

The fact that he did something wrong doesnt mean that he didnt try at all cause he felt entitled to score.

Agree that he wasted money and time with those books.

 

[sosousage]

A 25 year old man had a desire to ‘punish’ women who had long rejected him. So he decided it was BEST for him to take a motor vehicle and KILL 10 people and INJURE 14. Most of his victims were WOMEN.

https://www.cp24.com/news/facebook-...-profile-references-incel-rebellion-1.3899606

I’m sure a lot of people his age feel the same way. There is probably nothing, nothing else in the world that would have drove him to do this. Only constant rejection by decent looking young girls caused a 25 year old to commit multiple multiple murders.

Too bad he didn’t find Sosuave. We could have told him to be ‘alpha’ and not value these young good looking girls, right?

wtf is that? didnt read but from your description its some eliot rogers ****.

if he installed tinder he would probably kill way more people due to frustration


everyone can get girlfriend even fat loser betas that wash plates and have no social life + ugly face. go gym

 

[BeExcellent]

Blaming women for a man's loss of self-control is insane.

Concur entirely. We are each personally responsible for our own choices etc. The devil (or the women) did NOT make him do it. But evil people cannot accept accountability for the evil deeds they do. They always must BLAME someone or something else.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

The fact that he did something wrong doesnt mean that he didnt try at all cause he felt entitled to score.

I disagree. While there are many other reasons for killing somebody, anger is usually a result when one feels entitled.

Anger comes when you feel you shouldn't have to try to hard to get what you want.

With zero entitlement, any frustration after coming up short will generally motivate one to keep trying until you succeed.

The anger is associated with a feeling of "this shouldn't be so hard."

Entitlement doesn't imply that anybody promised anybody, it frequently comes by believing nonsense marketing, fantasy TV shows, etc. Perhaps "entitled" isn't the best word.

But any time anybody tries anything and fails, getting angry at the "system" for "not being fair" is a response that only comes when one has unrealistic expectations.

Those unrealistic expectations have to come from somewhere.

They are also not simple to pinpoint in there origin.

But one component is any belief that "something should come automatically from any kind of effort."

Incels generally feel they are being treated unfairly.

"Involuntary" celibacy. They all have a feeling of "unfairness" of not getting what they think they should get, or what they want but don't want to have to work to get.

Essentially it's childish, as it is similar to an adolescent crying and expecting somebody else to come and fix things.

It's any kind of feeling that says "my problems are not my fault and not my responsibility. They are somebody else's fault."

This is why all the anger is directed OUTWARD. There is a belief the problems caused are EXTERNAL to them.

 

[Who Dares Win]

I disagree. While there are many other reasons for killing somebody, anger is usually a result when one feels entitled.

Anger comes when you feel you shouldn't have to try to hard to get what you want.

With zero entitlement, any frustration after coming up short will generally motivate one to keep trying until you succeed.

The anger is associated with a feeling of "this shouldn't be so hard."

Entitlement doesn't imply that anybody promised anybody, it frequently comes by believing nonsense marketing, fantasy TV shows, etc. Perhaps "entitled" isn't the best word.

But any time anybody tries anything and fails, getting angry at the "system" for "not being fair" is a response that only comes when one has unrealistic expectations.

Those unrealistic expectations have to come from somewhere.

They are also not simple to pinpoint in there origin.

But one component is any belief that "something should come automatically from any kind of effort."

Incels generally feel they are being treated unfairly.

"Involuntary" celibacy. They all have a feeling of "unfairness" of not getting what they think they should get, or what they want but don't want to have to work to get.

Essentially it's childish, as it is similar to an adolescent crying and expecting somebody else to come and fix things.

It's any kind of feeling that says "my problems are not my fault and not my responsibility. They are somebody else's fault."

This is why all the anger is directed OUTWARD. There is a belief the problems caused are EXTERNAL to them.

We will agree to disagree

 

[Chad Stacey]

Well think of it this way his cell mate will make sure he gets all the c$@k he can handle and then some. Think of that a$$hole laying in the fetal position sucking your thumb with your a$$ ripped open ...... justice served!

 

[Chad Stacey]

Well think of it this way his cell mate will make sure he gets all the c$@k he can handle and then some. Think of that a$$hole laying in the fetal position sucking your thumb with your a$$ ripped open ...... justice served!

And even better INCEL CURED!!!

 

[AJ84]

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I disagree. While there are many other reasons for killing somebody, anger is usually a result when one feels entitled.

Anger comes when you feel you shouldn't have to try to hard to get what you want.

With zero entitlement, any frustration after coming up short will generally motivate one to keep trying until you succeed.

The anger is associated with a feeling of "this shouldn't be so hard."

Entitlement doesn't imply that anybody promised anybody, it frequently comes by believing nonsense marketing, fantasy TV shows, etc. Perhaps "entitled" isn't the best word.

But any time anybody tries anything and fails, getting angry at the "system" for "not being fair" is a response that only comes when one has unrealistic expectations.

Those unrealistic expectations have to come from somewhere.

They are also not simple to pinpoint in there origin.

But one component is any belief that "something should come automatically from any kind of effort."

Incels generally feel they are being treated unfairly.

"Involuntary" celibacy. They all have a feeling of "unfairness" of not getting what they think they should get, or what they want but don't want to have to work to get.

Essentially it's childish, as it is similar to an adolescent crying and expecting somebody else to come and fix things.

It's any kind of feeling that says "my problems are not my fault and not my responsibility. They are somebody else's fault."

This is why all the anger is directed OUTWARD. There is a belief the problems caused are EXTERNAL to them.

I do addiction counselling as part of my job. I have had clients say things like "if x didn't do y, then I wouldn't drink so much."

Taking all the accountability away from yourself and placing it on people and situations that are outside of your control almost gaurantees you will never overcome the issues that are limiting your ability to live and be well.

I've had to eat humble pie a few times in my life lol but as unpleasant as that was it gave me the kick in the butt that I needed to change things about myself.

But its hard to acknowledge that change starts with you, it's much more soothing to just find people who agree with you. Which I think is what some of these Incel guys do.

 

[Trump]

"Involuntary" celibacy. They all have a feeling of "unfairness" of not getting what they think they should get, or what they want but don't want to have to work to get.

Essentially it's childish, as it is similar to an adolescent crying and expecting somebody else to come and fix things.

It's any kind of feeling that says "my problems are not my fault and not my responsibility. They are somebody else's fault."

This is why all the anger is directed OUTWARD. There is a belief the problems caused are EXTERNAL to them.

Your post is based on the assumption he didn’t try.

Suppose he was Sosuave member and read the Bible and The Book of Pook and followed all the alpha advice from the guys who say they can sleep with hot girls with their eyes closed.

And he still couldn’t succeed with women. Is that unfair and childish? Or maybe everything in life is about luck and genetics and the wool is being pulled over our eyes?

Is it:

a) As sosuave advises: work your ass off. Workout, dress well, make money, don’t take crap, have fun, be an interesting guy, and girls will be dying to have sex with you.

OR

b) Be lucky in life with your genetic material, where you live, and who your parents are and who you know and girls will be dying to have sex with you.

Not saying you shouldn’t work hard, but you could work your ass off, be ripped, have a $200M in the bank, and she won’t have sex because you are 2 cm shorter than her.

Genetics rules!!

 

[corrector]

The guys we're talking about don't pull anyone. The fact that you're even using the word "Stacies" further indicates to me that you think like the losers I speak of.

How does that further indicate that if the facebook post of the guy which mentioned the term (i.e. I had no knowledge of Stacies prior to reading that facebook post) for the world to see? A simple google search and bingo you learn all the terminology. You are making a character judgment based on general knowledge that is posted out there online that anyone has access too? What exactly are you on? Are you stoned?

They claim to be so nice and treat women well, but their actions do not align. They're incongruent as fvck and act extremely immature if they don't get their way. They certainly don't take rejections and act like stuck up kids, an actual nice man wouldn't. So guys going above and beyond claiming to be nice is a big fat red flag, more often than not the exact opposite is true.

How would an actual "nice man" respond? They would be happy about it?

You're either trying to make my point seem absurd (which it is not) or your thinking really does lack so much nuance that you don't get my point. Of course not every one of these pathetic losers will pull a gun to seek revenge on the world, most of them just remain chronically miserable and blaming the world for everything.

Maybe your points are absurd. You are making a whole sets of judgments about me without knowing anything much about me other than I'm arguing with you. I just say "nice guy", and "Stacie" and all or a sudden you've been making personal attacks rather than having an intelligent discourse. You think every guy in a relationship or marriage is happy then? You can't really say they are incel (i.e. maybe marcel (incel within a marriage?). Or, if someone got a break-up then they are not technically incel until some time has passed after the break-up --- but people after a break-up are less miserable than an incel? How many people do you know have successful happy marriages that they are happy about which end well?

I purposely ignored this in your previous reply, but you insist on making this a racial matter. It is not! There's losers of every color.

But it is 100% a racial matter. First of all, the concept of entitlement is born out of white privilege. If Blacks / Brown / non-whites act entitled they end up in jail or roughed up by the police. Look at all the 911 calls that are happening because of Blacks sitting at Starbucks, going to Waffle House or golfing in a golf course for example? You can't ask about being charged for a 50 cent utensil without worrying about ending up in jail if you are a Black person in America today. The only race that gets a free pass seems to be whites, so it's natural they are going to feel the most entitled and ready to act violently to protect what they see as a loss of grounds to how things were before like there is a war, right?

The idea that there is a social break-down and if society was how it was like during the 50's or earlier than people would thrive and there would be no incel problem....again white privilege. The board sites where incels operated on shared space with alt-right from what I heard? All of the killings (i.e. Soudini, Elliot, and this guy) are white people doing this or people who can pass (or be confused) for white? I asked the question, how many blacks do you see behaving like this? Blacks have a worst incel problem because even some prostitutes don't want to see them, and many of them are in jail for nonsense and there is no women in jail. If incel is becoming political with white (or pass as white by the racist criminal justice system) terrorists, then it's another political arm of white supremacy in general. What incel thing do you hear happening in the Caribbean, Africa, India or some other country in the world like that?

 

[skinnyguy]

How does that further indicate that if the facebook post of the guy which mentioned the term (i.e. I had no knowledge of Stacies prior to reading that facebook post) for the world to see? A simple google search and bingo you learn all the terminology. You are making a character judgment based on general knowledge that is posted out there online that anyone has access too? What exactly are you on? Are you stoned?



How would an actual "nice man" respond? They would be happy about it?



Maybe your points are absurd. You are making a whole sets of judgments about me without knowing anything much about me other than I'm arguing with you. I just say "nice guy", and "Stacie" and all or a sudden you've been making personal attacks rather than having an intelligent discourse. You think every guy in a relationship or marriage is happy then? You can't really say they are incel (i.e. maybe marcel (incel within a marriage?). Or, if someone got a break-up then they are not technically incel until some time has passed after the break-up --- but people after a break-up are less miserable than an incel? How many people do you know have successful happy marriages that they are happy about which end well?



But it is 100% a racial matter. First of all, the concept of entitlement is born out of white privilege. If Blacks / Brown / non-whites act entitled they end up in jail or roughed up by the police. Look at all the 911 calls that are happening because of Blacks sitting at Starbucks, going to Waffle House or golfing in a golf course for example? You can't ask about being charged for a 50 cent utensil without worrying about ending up in jail if you are a Black person in America today. The only race that gets a free pass seems to be whites, so it's natural they are going to feel the most entitled and ready to act violently to protect what they see as a loss of grounds to how things were before like there is a war, right?

The idea that there is a social break-down and if society was how it was like during the 50's or earlier than people would thrive and there would be no incel problem....again white privilege. The board sites where incels operated on shared space with alt-right from what I heard? All of the killings (i.e. Soudini, Elliot, and this guy) are white people doing this or people who can pass (or be confused) for white? I asked the question, how many blacks do you see behaving like this? Blacks have a worst incel problem because even some prostitutes don't want to see them, and many of them are in jail for nonsense and there is no women in jail. If incel is becoming political with white (or pass as white by the racist criminal justice system) terrorists, then it's another political arm of white supremacy in general. What incel thing do you hear happening in the Caribbean, Africa, India or some other country in the world like that?

Do you read the news? There is an Incel problem in Africa and India. It’s called RAPE.