Incel Circlejerk

[Barrister]

This place has become more and more negative over the years. We had an infusion of black pill back in 2020 during Covid -- which probably makes sense given the circumstances of that time. It didn't really recover and there is more and more negativity. When I first joined it was more about just pure game and looking at field reports. My understanding of the time that preceded me was that is was even more so.

This place still can offer a lot. You just have to know where to look for it and sift through the stuff that isn't helpful. There are still some good, experienced guys here who know their stuff with women.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Society has allowed broads to set their standards unrealistically high

You going to spend most of your waking hours fretting over them or focusing on being the best version of yourself, not just for the sake of getting laid, but for the sake of creating a rich and fulfilling life?

 

[HaleyBaron]

The negativity is fine. It just shows the climate of boys and men atm. Instead of whining about it like OP, it's a opportunity to teach more people than ever. I see nothing wrong with it.

 

[GoodMan32]

There certainly is a bifurcation in how to deploy one's agency while facing a decaying social structure - do you be constructive and try and fix it, or do you just throw in the towel and take the "let it burn" attitude? Indeed, a big incel meme is that in a torched society, at least the women won't be able to picky anymore.

One idea I've proposed (on here, on a different online community, as well as to a male coworker) is: Men should stop making moves on broads cold turkey.

In the short term, I'm aware my strategy would lead to dry spells for a lot of men. In the long run, however, my idea would lead to a major societal shift. Within less than a year, broads would start throwing themselves at men (because otherwise, no single straight woman would ever get a date or sex again)

Unfortunately, I've been laughed at every time I've shared my idea.

 

[GoodMan32]

I mean, the dating market has certainly become far more difficult for the vast majority of men.

I'd consider myself decent looking based on my results, but even then there's still the issue of the overly competitive dating market (online dating exacerbates this) where you can simply be replaced by a better prospect or she'll just get bored of you.

Well-said. I also have decent looks, yet (as you indicated) online dating makes it too easy for a woman to find a better option in 2024.

 

[BaronOfHair]

There certainly is a bifurcation in how to deploy one's agency while facing a decaying social structure - do you be constructive and try and fix it...

There's never any "fixing" anything, so much is there is there is a reducing of some difficulties

 

[GoodMan32]

You want a cookie for not stuffing your face?


Not all sex is the same, dud. No man with any amount of self-esteem would have sex with someone like that. Stop being envious of the thirsty incels that lower their standards that much.


Yes, it's unreasonable to expect any reward for not making yourself fat and smelly.

Maybe it's the American 'body positivity' gone haywire that people accept fat people as 'the norm', but if you'd step outside yourself for a moment, you could see that no man expects to be rewarded for staying fit. Least of all rewarded with sex.

Ok, even if a lot of men wouldn't have sex with the woman I described (fat, body odor, cigarette/weed odor, stained clothes), a lot of men would have sex with the female equivalent of me (7/10 on the looks scale, 33 years of age, not fat, neat clothes, hair always done)

I'd like the same rewards the female equivalent of me would get. And no, I don't think that's too much to ask. I'm not asking for male supremacy. All I'm asking for is literal equality.

 

[GoodMan32]

It's not a bad idea, but unfeasible. Why? Because these women have artificial standards. The solution is to get standards as a man to not give in to the snooty and entitled. It's not 'All Men Should Do X'. Change the world, start with yourself. Stop being jealous of 304s and the sex they have. These are people without standards or values, why are you even looking at them?

I never made moves on any woman who wasn't highly interested in getting with me. I don't get hot for pity sex. I've never been so thirsty that I lowered my standards. I don't look at entitled women with desire, I don't look at them at all. Entitled women are low value and should be avoided, not pursued.

Keep in mind, I only want casual sex; not a relationship.

So yeah, I'm jealous of 304s.

 

[GoodMan32]

You have to be more than an option. Why do you see yourself as replaceable?

Maybe because I have a track record of getting replaced by broads.

 

[MatureDJ]

And I'm starting to feel like a broken record, but you should not compete with other men.

This is a ridiculous statement. The resource of females - to say nothing of decently desirable females - is not limitless, and there are men (i.e., Chads) that hog the resources, either directly (maintaining a soft harem) or indirectly (women keep themselves in "dating limbo" waiting for a Chad to show some genuine interest, etc.). Competition with other men is an essential part of the system of human dating, just as it is for our favorite incelbirds, the Blue Manakin.

 

[MatureDJ]

Ok, even if a lot of men wouldn't have sex with the woman I described (fat, body odor, cigarette/weed odor, stained clothes), a lot of men would have sex with the female equivalent of me (7/10 on the looks scale, 33 years of age, not fat, neat clothes, hair always done)

I'd like the same rewards the female equivalent of me would get. And no, I don't think that's too much to ask. I'm not asking for male supremacy. All I'm asking for is literal equality.

You're discussing the looksmatch deficit that has developed due to hypergamy.

Looksmatch

A looksmatch is someone who is equal to another person on the decile scale. In other words, someone who is in the same percentile of physical attractiveness within...

incels.wiki

 

[MatureDJ]

One idea I've proposed (on here, on a different online community, as well as to a male coworker) is: Men should stop making moves on broads cold turkey.

In the short term, I'm aware my strategy would lead to dry spells for a lot of men. In the long run, however, my idea would lead to a major societal shift. Within less than a year, broads would start throwing themselves at men (because otherwise, no single straight woman would ever get a date or sex again)

Unfortunately, I've been laughed at every time I've shared my idea.

There would be enough men still around to happily fill the void (pun NOT intended). Men might show a high degree of comradery in battle, or collective solidarity with unions, but they will always subterfuge a sex strike.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

You know Corrector, I'm still waiting for you to "correct" your course and right the sinking ship you've been riding for a long time.

 

[Clockwerk50]

The negativity is fine. It just shows the climate of boys and men atm. Instead of whining about it like OP, it's a opportunity to teach more people than ever. I see nothing wrong with it.

I find it interesting that you see my concerns as 'whining' while the negative whining from others is accepted. It raises questions about what this community really values.

 

[Vanderdonck]

I'd like the same rewards the female equivalent of me would get. And no, I don't think that's too much to ask. I'm not asking for male supremacy. All I'm asking for is literal equality.

And I'd like a billion dollars and world peace.

You want to be "equal" to a woman? Would you trade places with one? Sex on demand but you bleed once a month, risk getting knocked up, have to fend off men twice your size, always thinking about safety. Lose your body after 30 and prune out after 45. I would never trade places with a female. Being a guy rules.

But there's a tradeoff. They get to guard the sex gate and use it to get what they want for a limited number of years. And let's be honest, most don't use that power well. You - or at least a man - on the other hand gets to control his destiny, build things, innovate, live independently, stand next to a mountain and chop it down with the edge of your hand. So use your brain to get casual sex, or get a sex change, I guess.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

From what posters say, and from what research I've seen, dating has become much more difficult for men in recent years. Assuming that's true (and I have no reason to doubt it) it makes sense that the forum would reflect it. That there would be a much more negative, self defeating attitude (which has always been around, but I do think it's become more common).

Perhaps their attitude is why they are having issues in the first place?

 

[HaleyBaron]

I find it interesting that you see my concerns as 'whining' while the negative whining from others is accepted. It raises questions about what this community really values.

Negative whining means chances to fix boys and men. If you were truly about assistance, you'd be happy to know that there's more men coming here complaining. Otherwise, it comes off as a woman nagging about the house being messy.

 

[GoodMan32]

This is a ridiculous statement. The resource of females - to say nothing of decently desirable females - is not limitless, and there are men (i.e., Chads) that hog the resources, either directly (maintaining a soft harem) or indirectly (women keep themselves in "dating limbo" waiting for a Chad to show some genuine interest, etc.). Competition with other men is an essential part of the system of human dating, just as it is for our favorite incelbirds, the Blue Manakin.

What you've illustrated is exactly why society used to be set up so that just about every man got one woman for life.

 

[GoodMan32]

You're discussing the looksmatch deficit that has developed due to hypergamy.

Looksmatch

A looksmatch is someone who is equal to another person on the decile scale. In other words, someone who is in the same percentile of physical attractiveness within...

incels.wiki

Yep. Despite being a skinny 7/10, I've had to dip down to some 4/10 fatties.

 

[GoodMan32]

There would be enough men still around to happily fill the void (pun NOT intended). Men might show a high degree of comradery in battle, or collective solidarity with unions, but they will always subterfuge a sex strike.

You're right.

My male coworker brushed off my idea by saying "So you expect men to stop making moves on women? Sounds gay."

Unfortunately, a lot of other men would have the same attitude as him.