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[GoodMan32]

Genetics might not have done you any favors. Your diet and exercise regimen are under your control and likely could be improved. Avoid anything with soy in it and avoid processed ingredients. I do my best to follow those diet rules. Carbohydrates are less good too.



Being approached is cool. Few men ever get to that point. Men in the 8-8.9 range might get a few approaches and the 9+ range would get more.

Men in the 8+ range are still approaching and still most likely to send the first message on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge.

The 8+ range is when men get more and get stronger IOIs (approach invitations). Getting approach invitations helps a lot.



The best way for white collar office workers to use the workplace to meet women is through the friend networks of their female co-workers. Simple conversations about life can help determine if a female co-worker is going to be useful for introductions. Most female co-workers won't be and there are a variety of reasons for that.

I have gotten dates from approaching strangers in the lobbies/parking structures of office buildings where I have worked.



Chest waxing isn't the most masculine thing to do.

I got my 2nd to last date (in 2018) from being approached. Overall, I don't get approached a whole lot (the fact I had to dig back 7 years to use an example)

I like to think of myself as somewhere in the 6 range. The unfortunate part is: Even if I were an 8, I'm not sure my luck with the ladies would be a whole lot different.

As you mentioned, the 8 range is where a man begins to get more and more approach invitations. Approach invitations still require the man to make the move (therefore making approach invitations meaningless for me)

My phobia of misreading an IOI (and then being humiliated every time I run into the woman from that point on, as she's going to think of me as "the guy who imagined interest where none existed") would ultimately stop me from acting on any approach invitations from a woman I'm going to run into again.

On the topic of getting introductions to the female friends of female coworkers, I get the impression the typical female coworker of mine, even if she likes me platonically, doesn't think I'm worthy of getting introduced to her female friends in a romantic context.

Chest waxing? Chest waxing is popular with bodybuilders and football players. Bodybuilders and football players are the epitome of masculine.

 

[Westminster]

it is funny on how people just want a silver bullet ( that is easy ) to any of their problems

Like you mentioned, they would rather try to memorize some bs rather than doing most of the times some simple improvements to themselves

I think that a woman reading these forums is really funny reading these type of forums, and I think that this is also a reason on why guys being part of the seduction communities are seen as weirdos

I guess that common sense is not that common

If you as a guy look at how a chick looks like, why would you expect the chick to have a different perspective on how she perceives you

Women behave / perceive things more or less the same as guys when it comes to the mating game

and money do not impress women, unless she is a gold digger

I don't agree with the sentence I've highlighted. I think there are significant differences between men and women in this respect.

Fundamentally, that's what most of the threads on this forum are trying to fathom.

 

[Gamisch]

Supposedly some people are born the wrong gender.

I certainly don't feel like I was supposed to be born female. But the fact I have female proportions, combined with the fact I want to be approached by a potential partner (as opposed to doing the approaching) is some food for thought. Perhaps I really was born the wrong gender.



I have responded to the solutions.

As for my coworker, he's relevant because, as I said, perhaps he knows a secret to getting a woman out of your league. I shared the story because perhaps a poster knows the secret too.

He is irrelevant. I only argue with you because I pray ONE lurker in a similar situation is willing to listen and understand that he is you, and that your stubbornness is what keeps you at status quo .



If we look at this picture we don't see the model's face or even his height. Yet, we can all agree that he is conventionally attractive. Some may say he is too muscular, but I will tell you that most women will definitely be curious to see more.

You have trouble with admitting defeat. You have to understand that a man like you would've done fine up untill like a decade ago. Now, you gotta go ALL IN and reinvent your image asap.

For reference, most of my post are made while being in the gym. That's right. I am there daily, and when I'm bored sometimes even twice a day.

Because you can type and read while taking your 1- 2 minute break between sets. You sir on the couch with a bowl of ice cream while you should be lifting weights.

There are two choices: upwards or downhill. No other colors. Pick one.

Edit. Maybe this will be closer to you, as this is a less muscular white guy but yet again, with enough going on to at least spark curiosity.

Basically the same type of shot you took. His face cab be hideous for all we know. But so can be yours..this body type should be your goal within the next 2 years.

 

[characternote]

Fundamentally, that's what most of the threads on this forum are trying to fathom.

which is why they're still spinning their wheels still trying to 'fathom' it out many years later lol.

Do you ever think it's interesting how the 'experts' who sell books and bootcamps etc all seem to disagree on basically every single nuance of 'game'? in what other field does this happen? Try reading mysterymethod and then reading mark manson straight after for example haha (they were the first 2 books I read, naturally leaving me feeling confused due to their complete contradiction, which should have been a clue about this stuff in hindsight!)

It's way way more simple than people seem to think. A lot of the ideas and concepts were literally made by people because it gave them a way to sell dreams to sexless men!

If we assume we are trying to bang very hot, very young (18 ish) girls, then in general, their selection process is very similar to ours. Having a very good looking young wingman would shed the light on the subject. I had this experience on a weekly occurrence for years when gaming with a handsome mofo lol. Torture.

Things do change in time and of course there are exceptions (being famous, being mega rich, dating older women etc etc). Older women are way way less superficial for example. And if you are a famous rockstar, then being a bit on the ugly side won't hurt you too bad either etc etc

 

[GoodMan32]

I don't agree with the sentence I've highlighted. I think there are significant differences between men and women in this respect.

Fundamentally, that's what most of the threads on this forum are trying to fathom.

Well-said. A woman and a man, in general, act
very different.

He is irrelevant. I only argue with you because I pray ONE lurker in a similar situation is willing to listen and understand that he is you, and that your stubbornness is what keeps you at status quo .

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If we look at this picture we don't see the model's face or even his height. Yet, we can all agree that he is conventionally attractive. Some may say he is too muscular, but I will tell you that most women will definitely be curious to see more.

You have trouble with admitting defeat. You have to understand that a man like you would've done fine up untill like a decade ago. Now, you gotta go ALL IN and reinvent your image asap.

For reference, most of my post are made while being in the gym. That's right. I am there daily, and when I'm bored sometimes even twice a day.

Because you can type and read while taking your 1- 2 minute break between sets. You sir on the couch with a bowl of ice cream while you should be lifting weights.

There are two choices: upwards or downhill. No other colors. Pick one.

Edit. Maybe this will be closer to you, as this is a less muscular white guy but yet again, with enough going on to at least spark curiosity. View attachment 13719

Basically the same type of shot you took. His face cab be hideous for all we know. But so can be yours..this body type should be your goal within the next 2 years.

I don't agree at all that either of the muscular men you posted are conventionally attractive. As you admitted, either (or both) of the men could be extremely ugly facially.

I agree the typical woman would get a wide-on for either of the men...solely because of their body type (even if the men turned out to be facially ugly)...but that's not the same as being conventionally attractive.

Ironically, it just so happens I've had 2 muscular (but ugly) male coworkers (back when I worked in stores) nail female customers.

Muscles are like being a multi-millionaire: It will make a woman overlook your looks.

At the moment, I'm in a cafe nursing a drink.

I disagree a guy like me would have done fine up until a decade ago. I graduated college a little over a decade ago. Other than a girl who turned out to be so strange I had to dump her after a week, I had to rely entirely on tech methods in college.

 

[GoodMan32]

which is why they're still spinning their wheels still trying to 'fathom' it out many years later lol.

Do you ever think it's interested how the 'experts' all seem to disagree on basically every single nuance of 'game'? in what other field does this happen? Try reading mysterymethod and then reading mark manson straight after for example haha (they were the first 2 books I read, naturally leaving me feeling confused, which should have been a clue about this stuff!)

It's way way more simple than people seem to think. A lot of the ideas and concepts were literally made by people because it gave them a way to sell dreams to sexless men!

If we assume we are trying to bang very hot, very young (18 ish) girls, then in general, their selection process is very similar to ours. Having a very good looking young wingman would shed the light on the subject. I had this experience on a weekly occurrence when gaming with a handsome mofo lol. Torture.

Things do change in time and of course there are exceptions (being famous, being mega rich, dating older women etc etc). Older women are way way less superficial for example. And if you are a famous rockstar, then being a bit on the ugly side won't hurt you too bad either etc etc

I don't want to game an 18 year old.

In fact, the type of woman I prefer is older than a lot of 18 year old's moms.

 

[characternote]

I don't want to game an 18 year old.

In fact, the type of woman I prefer is older than a lot of 18 year old's moms.

my advice would be to work on money and muscle, then.

Even though I don't necessarily disagree with the comments in this thread about hitting the gym etc, In my experience with young girls, it's really all about the face. Body just needs to not be super fat, really. My 'pretty boy' friends who never stepped foot in a gym (and just had a normal physique) would always wipe the floor with my ripped gym rat friends who just weren't anywhere near as handsome. when it came to picking up stunners

But i've always felt that older women seem to be more into muscle and also less superficial in terms of 'looks' than teenagers/eearly 20's girls. IN fact i'd even argue that classic 'game' is also more helpful with that demographic. And obviously money is more important for older women too (whereas young girls don't seem to care at all unless they want a sugardaddy)

So yeah, in terms of looks, i'd probably agree that getting big and strong is a decent bet for you in bagging older women

 

[GoodMan32]

my advice would be to work on money and muscle, then.

Even though I don't necessarily disagree with the comments in this thread about hitting the gym etc, In my experience with young girls, it's really all about the face. Body just needs to not be super fat, really. My 'pretty boy' friends who never step foot in a gym (and just had a normal physique) would always wipe the floor with my ripped gym rat friends who just weren't anywhere near as handsome.

But i've always felt that older women seem to be more into muscle and also less superficial in terms of 'looks' than teenagers/eearly 20's girls. IN fact i'd even argue that classic 'game' is also more helpful with that demographic. And obviously money is more important for older women too (whereas young girls don't seem to care at all unless they want a sugardaddy)

So yeah, in terms of looks, i'd probably agree that getting big and strong is a decent bet for bagging older women

From the sounds of it, I missed out on lots of opportunity in my youth.

My senior year of high school, I was bordering on an 8 (on the 1-10 scale). Yet I never went on any dates, never had sex, and never so much as kissed anyone until I was 20.

If being attractive facially is the key in your youth, I should have been much more of a ladies man.

 

[characternote]

From the sounds of it, I missed out on lots of opportunity in my youth.

My senior year of high school, I was bordering on an 8 (on the 1-10 scale).

I get the impression from your posts that you're not that self aware. I imagine if you posted a pic of you when you were an '8' facially, many would put you more in the 5 bracket! Just a hunch. Could of course be wrong

There's also the chance that you really WERE very good looking. And whilst i've always said that you don't need to read anything about 'game' to get laid with hot young girls if you are good looking other than just being normal (she will do a LOT of the work for you!), there is also a point where you can be 'weird' enough to basically turn her off. That could also have applied to you?

 

[GoodMan32]

I get the impression from your posts that you're not that self aware. I imagine if you posted a pic of you when you were an '8' facially, many would put you more in the 5 bracket! Just a hunch. Could of course be wrong

There's also the chance that you really WERE very good looking. And whilst i've always said that you don't need to read anything about 'game' to get laid with hot young girls if you are good looking other than just being normal (she will do a LOT of the work for you!), there is also a point where you can be 'weird' enough to basically turn her off. That could also have applied to you?

I say I was bordering on an 8 my senior year of high school based on an AI looks rater.

Being strange enough to turn her off was the most likely explanation for why I got nowhere with the ladies in my teens. I've mentioned on the forum before that I was viewed as the freak of the school in high school.

 

[Gamisch]

Well-said. A woman and a man, in general, act
very different.



I don't agree at all that either of the muscular men you posted are conventionally attractive. As you admitted, either (or both) of the men could be extremely ugly facially.

I agree the typical woman would get a wide-on for either of the men...solely because of their body type (even if the men turned out to be facially ugly)...but that's not the same as being conventionally attractive.

Ironically, it just so happens I've had 2 muscular (but ugly) male coworkers (back when I worked in stores) nail female customers.

Muscles are like being a multi-millionaire: It will make a woman overlook your looks.

At the moment, I'm in a cafe nursing a drink.

I disagree a guy like me would have done fine up until a decade ago. I graduated college a little over a decade ago. Other than a girl who turned out to be so strange I had to dump her after a week, I had to rely entirely on tech methods in college.

Just fecking do what we tell you bro.

You argue AGAIN and completely dismissing the most important things .

Tbh I don't see how you will ever get out of this. In a best case scenario you find an obese wh0re that takes you to the cleaners, so you can cry about how bad women are. You haven't even been played yet! Everyone here got played at least once. Your sexual experience level is that of a teenage boy.

You completely forgot that women are not a theory but a reality. If you don't simply do what we tell you( hit the gym and improve your wardrobe) just say so, it will save men with best intentions time and headaches.

Just admit you are extremely happy with your current situation and call it a day. You don't wanna be helped.

 

[Westminster]

which is why they're still spinning their wheels still trying to 'fathom' it out many years later lol.

Do you ever think it's interesting how the 'experts' who sell books and bootcamps etc all seem to disagree on basically every single nuance of 'game'? in what other field does this happen? Try reading mysterymethod and then reading mark manson straight after for example haha (they were the first 2 books I read, naturally leaving me feeling confused, which should have been a clue about this stuff!)

It's way way more simple than people seem to think. A lot of the ideas and concepts were literally made by people because it gave them a way to sell dreams to sexless men!

If we assume we are trying to bang very hot, very young (18 ish) girls, then in general, their selection process is very similar to ours. Having a very good looking young wingman would shed the light on the subject. I had this experience on a weekly occurrence when gaming with a handsome mofo lol. Torture.

Things do change in time and of course there are exceptions (being famous, being mega rich, dating older women etc etc). Older women are way way less superficial for example. And if you are a famous rockstar, then being a bit on the ugly side won't hurt you too bad either etc etc

We're not all trying to bang hot 18 year olds. But even then I think there are usually difference in what young girls look for vis-a-vis blokes.

 

[Bigpapa]

Older women are way way less superficial for example

I would disagree with you here.if we talk about older women who are not looking for a LTR ,
They put more emphasis on the body than on the face & style when compared to younger women

Most likely this happens because on average, women do not like younger guys so they look for someone their age or older who is in a good shape as most guys are in terrible shape by the time they go over 30

if we talk about women who are looking for an LTR, then yes they might be a bit less shallow, so you need to display other traits as well

 

[Bigpapa]

We're not all trying to bang hot 18 year olds. But even then I think there are usually difference in what young girls look for vis-a-vis blokes.

why you would not try to bang young women and focus on older ones?

 

[characternote]

They put more emphasis on the body than on the face & style when compared to younger women

that's what I was saying. I don't think we disagreed? (unless i'm missunderstanding your post lol)
i.e I always felt older women are way more impressed by a good body
(and young ones are fine with a stick of a boyfriend as long as he's very handsome)

 

[GoodMan32]

I would disagree with you here.if we talk about older women who are not looking for a LTR ,
They put more emphasis on the body than on the face & style when compared to younger women

Most likely this happens because on average, women do not like younger guys so they look for someone their age or older who is in a good shape as most guys are in terrible shape by the time they go over 30

if we talk about women who are looking for an LTR, then yes they might be a bit less shallow, so you need to display other traits as well

It might help if I define "older women."

A woman my age (33) could be viewed as "older" in the sense that she's far from 18.

I prefer a woman from age 45-60s, however (so that's what I mean when I say older)

 

[Westminster]

why you would not try to bang young women and focus on older ones?

Because I'm in my late-50s so it's not a goer and I wouldn't want a relationship with an 18 year old anyway. We'd have zero un common and it would be silly to try it. It's not just me though, I don't think it would be realistic for most posters over 30.

Having said that, I'm not attracted to women my age, I prefer younger ones, but for me that means women in their 30s. Even that's a stretch for me nowadays though, that's the harsh reality.

 

[Bigpapa]

Having said that, I'm not attracted to women my age, I prefer younger ones, but for me that means women in their 30s. Even that's a stretch for me nowadays though, that's the harsh reality.

got it now and totally makes sense your point of view

 

[HaleyBaron]

Banging young girls versus older girls is night and day in experience. I often cringe when men say they rather date their own age. Like why? Intellect? HA!

 

[SW15]

I often cringe when men say they rather date their own age. Like why? Intellect? HA!

Intellect doesn't matter much. It's personality that matters more. Men like a woman with a pleasant personality who does not cause drama. That's not related to intellect.

When men are 18-29, there's not much of an age gap that can happen. It's possible for a 28-29 year old to date an 18-19 year old, but that's uncommon. When men are 18-29, they are typically dating women close to their age and women close to their age look good.

In men's 30s and early 40s is when the change tends to happen. Right now, I am more interested in dating someone 10 years younger than I was at 31.

Men are most interested in youth and beauty.