Impressing a woman with an outfit

[Clockwerk50]

There’s a reason why, when you ask for advice on the Redpill forums, the first thing the community asks is for you to mention your stats and lifts. The reason is that physical fitness is seen as a key indicator of self-discipline, confidence, and overall attractiveness, which can significantly improve your social and personal life.

I agree with some of the posters here. Even though the focus of the thread is on your fashion sense and not your physique, I think your attractiveness and social confidence will grow exponentially if you sign up for a gym, wouldn’t you say?

I’d focus on lateral raises, bench presses, shoulder presses, chest flies, shrugs, triceps extensions, and bicep curls. You’ll see noob gains almost instantly.

 

[SW15]

I've mentioned on the forum before that I've been told I resemble Jared Kushner. My hairstyle (and hair color) is comparable to his.

Even though Jared Kushner is pretty well-known, it's possible some posters (especially non-Americans) might not be familiar with him. For reference, here he is.

Kushner is in great shape. I think Ivanka makes him work out, to match her physique.

Kushner and Ivanka met through social circle.

In 2005 when they met, Ivanka was the daughter of a premier businessman and Kushner's parents were also well off.

Money and status mattered more for Kushner with Ivanka than pure looks.

 

[Bigpapa]

Here's what I wore to work today (this is also something I might wear on a weekend)

In terms of tickling a woman's fancy, how would I fare in this outfit?

(When posing for a picture, my shirt looks a lot more wrinkly than it really is)
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If you live in a more rural area, you could get away with a cowboy look (something similar to the style here ). But you have to do it right, like the Marlboro man

if you live in an urban area ( no matter where ), just forget about it and just go for the Zara looks shared here ( or similar )

even better if you could hire a style assistant

you hairstyle and other stuff related to your style has to be congruent in order to pull it off successfully. Basically 100% revamp of your style

If you live in a big city, baggy clothes is a must

 

[Gamisch]

There’s a reason why, when you ask for advice on the Redpill forums, the first thing the community asks is for you to mention your stats and lifts. The reason is that physical fitness is seen as a key indicator of self-discipline, confidence, and overall attractiveness, which can significantly improve your social and personal life.

I agree with some of the posters here. Even though the focus of the thread is on your fashion sense and not your physique, I think your attractiveness and social confidence will grow exponentially if you sign up for a gym, wouldn’t you say?

I’d focus on lateral raises, bench presses, shoulder presses, chest flies, shrugs, triceps extensions, and bicep curls. You’ll see noob gains almost instantly.

Yup.

An eight pack is more valuable than the most expensive Gucci shirt. Similar to how a good woman is as worthy as a billionaire.

Ofcourse there will be nuances but F those nuances for now. OP must get his azz in the gym yesterday and indeed report back in a year from now and ONLY ask gym( maybe fashion) related questions.

When a man is in too shape a simple cheap tanktop will look like a million dollar on him , on
the brink of being intimidating to other men and attracting women like honey does bees.

I bet OP finds an excuse. His body looks like he never touched a dumbell is his life.

 

[Gamisch]

Here's what I wore to work today (this is also something I might wear on a weekend)

In terms of tickling a woman's fancy, how would I fare in this outfit?

(When posing for a picture, my shirt looks a lot more wrinkly than it really is)
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Everything been said already. Either get a V shaped upper body , and get more baggy clothes for in the meantime.

Shirt looks crooked, old-fashioned, and I am not sure whether it's too big or too small. It just doesn't fit well. The jeans now look "up too high " of that makes sense. The belt is mwah. No accessories such as chains or bracelets. No tats, very white skin ( get a tan ) and your overall posture isn't very...masculine.

The gym will fix a lot of the problems including giving you lore swag and confidence. Find poses.. see those male models that were posted? It's not just that they look good, they also mastered how to look out of their eyes, how to posture in detail ect.

You better start yesterday bro. If you REALLY want to do some damage in the game, gotta plant the seed NOW. Nothing that's worth **** comes easy.

If you decline advice given in this thread, it's time stop posting all together. Gotta respect the basics before you even try the end boss. The end boss is that hb8 that goes crazy cause of you.

 

[SW15]

An eight pack is more valuable than the most expensive Gucci shirt.

I like this saying a lot. It is true.

When a man is in too shape a simple cheap tanktop will look like a million dollar on him , on
the brink of being intimidating to other men and attracting women like honey does bees.

The same is true of a basic black t-shirt.

The gym will fix a lot of the problems including giving you lore swag and confidence.

This is some of the best advice vs. what's possible with style and wardrobe enhancements.

I didn't like the color of the shirt and I couldn't have imagined a woman reacting positively to that specific color of shirt. The style of the shirt didn't scream sex appeal either.

 

[BaronOfHair]

For obvious reasons, I won't share a picture of myself nude.

I will share, however, what I look like without a shirt.

What I look like underneath my clothes is somewhat of a moot point anyway, seeing as the last time a non-escort woman has seen me sexually was 2021. Any discussion of what I look like underneath my clothes is putting the cart before the horse. How about getting a woman into bed first and then worrying about what I look like naked

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NOT too sexy for your shirt, as many have already pointed out

 

[BackInTheGame78]

For obvious reasons, I won't share a picture of myself nude.

I will share, however, what I look like without a shirt.

What I look like underneath my clothes is somewhat of a moot point anyway, seeing as the last time a non-escort woman has seen me sexually was 2021. Any discussion of what I look like underneath my clothes is putting the cart before the horse. How about getting a woman into bed first and then worrying about what I look like naked

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OP, I have no idea why you are worried about the things you are worried about but spend no time in regards to your physique, which is going to have a much bigger effect.

You have the physique of a woman. Pear shaped. Wide around the hips/waist and narrow around the shoulders/chest.

Instead of worrying about what clothes to wear you should be getting your ass to the gym and working out to add muscle to your frame and get in shape.

Building a physique that gives you proper male proportions rather than female proportions will do far more for you than anything else at this point.

 

[GoodMan32]

Do you have a higher end department store close where you live? Something like Saks or Nordstrom? I suggest you go and try a bunch of stuff from different brands to see what works for your body type.

Living in a major city, I have access to all sorts of department stores.

Here's an example of a brand (American Rag) where I own a lot of their shirts. The model has a similar body type to me. American Rag shirts are ideal for my body type. Unfortunately, Macy's (which, to the best of my knowledge, was the only physical store that carried this brand) no longer carries American Rag. The shirts are hard to come by now (you can only sporadically find one of their shirts here and there online).

Good thing I stocked up on their shirts back when they were easier to find. Their shirts also occupy a perfect niche: They look good enough to wear to work, yet are also casual enough to look good in non-work settings.

On the other hand, the shirt I posted myself wearing on the OP is a Van Heusen shirt. If the following Van Heusen model is any indication, Van Heusen shirts simply aren't made for men with my build:

 

[GoodMan32]

Your body is the worst body to have, you're fat and skinny at the same time. Women won't have a physical desire to fvck you when they see you naked. Woman wanna touch muscles, wanna feel your biceps when you're fvcking them, you're not attractive, period.

The shirtless picture I posted doesn't show my arms.

As you can see in my profile picture, I have impressive biceps for a man as skinny as me.

Kushner is in great shape. I think Ivanka makes him work out, to match her physique.

Kushner is built like a beanpole.

 

[GoodMan32]

There’s a reason why, when you ask for advice on the Redpill forums, the first thing the community asks is for you to mention your stats and lifts. The reason is that physical fitness is seen as a key indicator of self-discipline, confidence, and overall attractiveness, which can significantly improve your social and personal life.

I agree with some of the posters here. Even though the focus of the thread is on your fashion sense and not your physique, I think your attractiveness and social confidence will grow exponentially if you sign up for a gym, wouldn’t you say?

I’d focus on lateral raises, bench presses, shoulder presses, chest flies, shrugs, triceps extensions, and bicep curls. You’ll see noob gains almost instantly.

I've gone through stretches through the years where I worked out. Needless to say, it didn't really do much for my confidence.

Kushner and Ivanka met through social circle.

In 2005 when they met, Ivanka was the daughter of a premier businessman and Kushner's parents were also well off.

Money and status mattered more for Kushner with Ivanka than pure looks.

You mentioned Kushner's social circle; others on the thread have commented on my body type.

I have a story to share that includes the topics of social circle and body type. It's about a coworker.

I have a coworker who's 34. He was 28 when I first started at this company.

He's entirely bald up top. He has a pudgy body type (even though he isn't obese, his body type is far from ideal). Facially, his looks are nothing special (I've heard multiple female coworkers call him unattractive behind his back).

Yet despite the fact some female coworkers find him to be ugly, he dated this one attractive female coworker for 3 years (they became an item shortly after I started at the company)

With everything he has working against him (baldness, pudginess, lackluster looks), I find it shocking he managed to both secure her interest and keep her for 3 years.

He was raised here (and has a large social circle). I know it's been pointed out on the forum many times that a social circle is one way for a man to get with a woman who would otherwise be out of his league. That being said, since he met her through work (not through a social circle), I'm not sure we could use the social circle explanation.

Despite being neurotypical, he is a tad off-kilter (so it's not like his personality does him a whole lot of favors)

He drives a luxury car (Even though the job doesn't pay enough for him to afford the car based on income alone, I get the impression his family has money, based on where he went to high school. He spent 2 years at a prestigious public school; 2 years at a private school). That being said, with everything this coworker has working against him, a luxury car alone is unlikely to pique an attractive woman's interest. And while his family isn't poor by any means, it's not like they have Kushner levels of wealth (in other words, family status wouldn't explain how my coworker landed our attractive female coworker)

Makes me wonder if there's perhaps some secret my coworker knows that I don't know (about getting a woman out of your league)

 

[Gamisch]

I've gone through stretches through the years where I worked out. Needless to say, it didn't really do much for my confidence.



You mentioned Kushner's social circle; others on the thread have commented on my body type.

I have a story to share that includes the topics of social circle and body type. It's about a coworker.

I have a coworker who's 34. He was 28 when I first started at this company.

He's entirely bald up top. He has a pudgy body type (even though he isn't obese, his body type is far from ideal). Facially, his looks are nothing special (I've heard multiple female coworkers call him unattractive behind his back).

Yet despite the fact some female coworkers find him to be ugly, he dated this one attractive female coworker for 3 years (they became an item shortly after I started at the company)

With everything he has working against him (baldness, pudginess, lackluster looks), I find it shocking he managed to both secure her interest and keep her for 3 years.

He was raised here (and has a large social circle). I know it's been pointed out on the forum many times that a social circle is one way for a man to get with a woman who would otherwise be out of his league. That being said, since he met her through work (not through a social circle), I'm not sure we could use the social circle explanation.

Despite being neurotypical, he is a tad off-kilter (so it's not like his personality does him a whole lot of favors)

He drives a luxury car (Even though the job doesn't pay enough for him to afford the car based on income alone, I get the impression his family has money, based on where he went to high school. He spent 2 years at a prestigious public school; 2 years at a private school). That being said, with everything this coworker has working against him, a luxury car alone is unlikely to pique an attractive woman's interest. And while his family isn't poor by any means, it's not like they have Kushner levels of wealth (in other words, family status wouldn't explain how my coworker landed our attractive female coworker)

Makes me wonder if there's perhaps some secret my coworker knows that I don't know (about getting a woman out of your league)

This right here is your infinite problem. And more men have it by the way.

You got advised. Instead if being humble and acknowledging /"promising " that you will put in the work ,you gaslight your own dam thread by making a thread within a thread.

Who cares about your coworker? This is an analysis about YOU ,and what YOU must do .

Why don't you first respond to the solutions you were handed out?

 

[GoodMan32]

If you live in a more rural area, you could get away with a cowboy look (something similar to the style here ). But you have to do it right, like the Marlboro man

if you live in an urban area ( no matter where ), just forget about it and just go for the Zara looks shared here ( or similar )

even better if you could hire a style assistant

you hairstyle and other stuff related to your style has to be congruent in order to pull it off successfully. Basically 100% revamp of your style

If you live in a big city, baggy clothes is a must

Funny you think that look is a cowboy look. I'd call it more of a metrosexual look.

I live in an urban area...but cowboys aren't entirely unheard of here.

Everyone has preferences. Baggy clothes aren't for me (I am willing to listen to what others have to say to some degree. I just draw a hard line at baggy clothes)

Yup.

An eight pack is more valuable than the most expensive Gucci shirt. Similar to how a good woman is as worthy as a billionaire.

Ofcourse there will be nuances but F those nuances for now. OP must get his azz in the gym yesterday and indeed report back in a year from now and ONLY ask gym( maybe fashion) related questions.

When a man is in too shape a simple cheap tanktop will look like a million dollar on him , on
the brink of being intimidating to other men and attracting women like honey does bees.

I bet OP finds an excuse. His body looks like he never touched a dumbell is his life.

I've touched a dumbbell many times (even if I don't currently work out)

I even earned a high school letterman jacket. I'm pretty sure my parents have it at their house (at 33, it would be silly for me to wear it)

Everything been said already. Either get a V shaped upper body , and get more baggy clothes for in the meantime.

Shirt looks crooked, old-fashioned, and I am not sure whether it's too big or too small. It just doesn't fit well. The jeans now look "up too high " of that makes sense. The belt is mwah. No accessories such as chains or bracelets. No tats, very white skin ( get a tan ) and your overall posture isn't very...masculine.

The gym will fix a lot of the problems including giving you lore swag and confidence. Find poses.. see those male models that were posted? It's not just that they look good, they also mastered how to look out of their eyes, how to posture in detail ect.

You better start yesterday bro. If you REALLY want to do some damage in the game, gotta plant the seed NOW. Nothing that's worth **** comes easy.

If you decline advice given in this thread, it's time stop posting all together. Gotta respect the basics before you even try the end boss. The end boss is that hb8 that goes crazy cause of you.

I fully admit that shirt isn't one of my better shirts.

I have one hidden tattoo (without revealing exactly where it is, let's just say even if I wore a tanktop, the tat wouldn't be visible)

It's winter here (thus the super light complexion). I get somewhat of a tan during summer (we have some of the sunniest summers in the USA). Genetically, however, there's a limit to how dark I can get (unless I were to do a spray tan or use tanning booths, both of which look ridiculous...and tanning booths are bad for you)

I've said before on the forum that I inherited the worst traits of my Celtic side and my Mediterranean side (while inheriting the benefits of neither side). I have the pale Celtic complexion, yet the Mediterranean hairiness (the picture I posted without a shirt was after getting waxed)

 

[SW15]

He was raised here (and has a large social circle). I know it's been pointed out on the forum many times that a social circle is one way for a man to get with a woman who would otherwise be out of his league. That being said, since he met her through work (not through a social circle), I'm not sure we could use the social circle explanation.

Work is somewhat of a social circle. It used to be a very common way for people to meet in the late 20th Century. As you can see, it fell off starting in the 1990s when sexual harassment started to become more commonly discussed in white collar work spaces. Since the 1990s, white collar work spaces have had a less sexually charged environment and people don't want to meet mating partners in their workplace. White collar jobs are also more difficult to get/to replace if something goes wrong. When people date co-workers now, it is more common in McJobs and service sector jobs.

Common pairings from workplaces now include:

1. Bouncers and strippers/waitresses/female bartenders
2. Retail store workers dating each other
3. Fast food and restaurant/bar workers dating each other.

 

[GoodMan32]

OP, I have no idea why you are worried about the things you are worried about but spend no time in regards to your physique, which is going to have a much bigger effect.

You have the physique of a woman. Pear shaped. Wide around the hips/waist and narrow around the shoulders/chest.

Instead of worrying about what clothes to wear you should be getting your ass to the gym and working out to add muscle to your frame and get in shape.

Building a physique that gives you proper male proportions rather than female proportions will do far more for you than anything else at this point.

Supposedly some people are born the wrong gender.

I certainly don't feel like I was supposed to be born female. But the fact I have female proportions, combined with the fact I want to be approached by a potential partner (as opposed to doing the approaching) is some food for thought. Perhaps I really was born the wrong gender.

This right here is your infinite problem. And more men have it by the way.

You got advised. Instead if being humble and acknowledging /"promising " that you will put in the work ,you gaslight your own dam thread by making a thread within a thread.

Who cares about your coworker? This is an analysis about YOU ,and what YOU must do .

Why don't you first respond to the solutions you were handed out?

I have responded to the solutions.

As for my coworker, he's relevant because, as I said, perhaps he knows a secret to getting a woman out of your league. I shared the story because perhaps a poster knows the secret too.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

There’s a reason why, when you ask for advice on the Redpill forums, the first thing the community asks is for you to mention your stats and lifts. The reason is that physical fitness is seen as a key indicator of self-discipline, confidence, and overall attractiveness, which can significantly improve your social and personal life.

I agree with some of the posters here. Even though the focus of the thread is on your fashion sense and not your physique, I think your attractiveness and social confidence will grow exponentially if you sign up for a gym, wouldn’t you say?

I’d focus on lateral raises, bench presses, shoulder presses, chest flies, shrugs, triceps extensions, and bicep curls. You’ll see noob gains almost instantly.

Nah...never focus on isolation movements in the beginning, focus on compound exercises. You will get far more benefits from them.

Isolation exercises are for after you have a solid foundation.

 

[GoodMan32]

Work is somewhat of a social circle. It used to be a very common way for people to meet in the late 20th Century. As you can see, it fell off starting in the 1990s when sexual harassment started to become more commonly discussed in white collar work spaces. Since the 1990s, white collar work spaces have had a less sexually charged environment and people don't want to meet mating partners in their workplace. White collar jobs are also more difficult to get/to replace if something goes wrong. When people date co-workers now, it is more common in McJobs and service sector jobs.

Common pairings from workplaces now include:

1. Bouncers and strippers/waitresses/female bartenders
2. Retail store workers dating each other
3. Fast food and restaurant/bar workers dating each other.

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In that case (if work is a social circle), I also have access to a workplace social circle. Unfortunately, work has never helped me get a woman.

It really is a shame that work-related pairings have died down. Don't get me wrong; actual sexual harassment is obviously something that doesn't belong in the workplace. It's absurd, however, that a man would even have to be afraid he could be viewed as a sex harasser for merely expressing interest in a female coworker.

 

[characternote]

As for my coworker, he's relevant because, as I said, perhaps he knows a secret to getting a woman out of your league. I shared the story because perhaps a poster knows the secret too.

If you want to be told that your looks are insignificant and that you just need to know the right words and techniques to get ANY girl you want, no matter how you look, then go too a forum like skilledseducer lol.

The posters there would tell you what you want to hear (that as you look right now, you can bang 100% of girls you approach if you learn their lines/techniques etc. From 18 year old models to hot milfs. Every and any! zero rejection. Any rejection is simply due to not implementing their method properly)

 

[SW15]

You have the physique of a woman. Pear shaped. Wide around the hips/waist and narrow around the shoulders/chest.

the fact I have female proportions

Genetics might not have done you any favors. Your diet and exercise regimen are under your control and likely could be improved. Avoid anything with soy in it and avoid processed ingredients. I do my best to follow those diet rules. Carbohydrates are less good too.

the fact I want to be approached by a potential partner (as opposed to doing the approaching) is some food for thought.

Being approached is cool. Few men ever get to that point. Men in the 8-8.9 range might get a few approaches and the 9+ range would get more.

Men in the 8+ range are still approaching and still most likely to send the first message on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge.

The 8+ range is when men get more and get stronger IOIs (approach invitations). Getting approach invitations helps a lot.

In that case (if work is a social circle), I also have access to a workplace social circle. Unfortunately, work has never helped me get a woman.

The best way for white collar office workers to use the workplace to meet women is through the friend networks of their female co-workers. Simple conversations about life can help determine if a female co-worker is going to be useful for introductions. Most female co-workers won't be and there are a variety of reasons for that.

I have gotten dates from approaching strangers in the lobbies/parking structures of office buildings where I have worked.

the picture I posted without a shirt was after getting waxed

Chest waxing isn't the most masculine thing to do.

 

[Bigpapa]

If you want to be told that your looks are insignificant and that you just need to know the right words and techniques to get ANY girl you want, no matter how you look, then go too a forum like skilledseducer lol.

The posters there would tell you what you want to hear (that as you look right now, you can bang 100% of girls you approach if you learn their lines/techniques etc. From 18 year old models to hot milfs. Every and any! zero rejection. Any rejection is simply due to not implementing their method properly)

it is funny on how people just want a silver bullet ( that is easy ) to any of their problems

Like you mentioned, they would rather try to memorize some bs rather than doing most of the times some simple improvements to themselves

I think that a woman reading these forums is really funny reading these type of forums, and I think that this is also a reason on why guys being part of the seduction communities are seen as weirdos

I guess that common sense is not that common

If you as a guy look at how a chick looks like, why would you expect the chick to have a different perspective on how she perceives you

Women behave / perceive things more or less the same as guys when it comes to the mating game

and money do not impress women, unless she is a gold digger