"I'm not going to sleep with you"

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So here is a strange story I am currently trying to get off of my mind...rather I guess I am somewhat confused, thought the experience might be worth posting. Will try to keep this short and to the point.

Took a trip over a local mountain pass with a friend, whom teaches snowboarding on weekends at a local mountain a few hours away from where we both live and work during the week. Staying with a group of people, all ski and snowboarding fanatics. I've been taking the time while they're out to get some work done and make music and just chill.

Anyways, last night they (housefolk I am staying with) invite me out to see some rap group from Vancouver BC who are doing a show in town. I'm not a huge hip-hop dude but whatever I enjoy all types of music and can definitely appreciate talent and exposure and creativity. Anyways I go order a few whiskeys, have a good time dancing for the opening acts, a few acts in, and then I go sit down at a table where I can still see the group but relax and drink my whiskey.

I wasn't feeling 'on the prowl' by any means and I just didn't feel like focusing on women -- I was only here for one more night before driving back over the pass, and I just was in a relaxed mood.

Anyways I'm sitting there and this woman comes up and starts dancing next to me. She asks me why I'm sitting. I state I'm just chilling trying to enjoy the show. She asks if I want to dance. Sure. She's maybe an HB6-7 honestly not all wh0red up like some of the girls there are, but was cute and had a nice body. She seemed nice.

Ok cool, dancing, hip-hop not really my style but she was warming me up--I had been in the mood to just relax and she sort of took me by surprise so I was enjoying just dancing and being physical.

Very touchy feely, squeezing my arms and back and shoulders and all of that sh!t, I explore her body as well but within certain boundaries, IE, I did not run my hands over her breasts or anything, stopped right below them, but up and down her legs hips etc (she did at one point rub her breasts against my arms). Not trying to go into some lusty detail here but this is where it got really weird--

She invites to drive me home. Ironically enough she lives just a few blocks down from where my friends live (coincidence). I say alright, as long as you're not drunk, she says she's not, I gauge her and she seems to be telling the truth. So I get in her subaru we start driving -- she's driving fine, not drunk. She wants to show me some building which is a gear location in the area that is an extension of my workplace (basically a storage facility for their gear on this side of the mountains). Cool, I'd like to see their building lets go, I say. We drive past it, "neat" is basically my response -- it's just some building -- I appreciated her making a connection but you know its nighttime and a freaking snowy building. She suggests I can just stay at her place, I say cool, and then she says:

"but I'm not going to sleep with you"

"I say um okay."

Weird. What am I supposed to say. Ok so then I'm going to sleep on the couch or something? Just drop me off back at my place I think, I say to her. Maybe I should just sleep there. "Why? What did I do, I screwed this up" she said, "I just wanted to be upfront". I said, "Ok, that's fine, no you didn't ruin anything--just saying that made me feel uncomfortable--I just met you here tonight maybe I should just crash at my own place." (is what I said in response). She turns the car around starts driving me back, says, "I feel terrible", I say "Well don't feel terrible, relax, it's all cool--I truly enjoyed dancing with you *her name* and I had a very fun evening with you--here is my number and email get ahold of me I'll likely be over the pass again" and then she said "do you even want me to call you" I said "sure" and then we kissed (which was actually a really nice kiss).

Anyways I was taken back a bit and uncomfortable by her saying 'I'm not going to sleep with you'. I wasn't hardcore macking her here, all of this just flowed naturally, I figured I'd go with the flow, see her place, maybe we'd smooch a bit or something--and in my mind sure if it led to sex, maybe--but I wasn't focusing on that or pushing that--and I understand she was being upfront which fine I'd rather have that than some weird games--but was just strange all around, threw the momentum off for me at least, and I don't know--I'm sure if I sarged it hard or said "okay" to 'no sexy' statement but still got touchy feely snuggly something may have happened. I pulled the eject button. Maybe too early. But I didn't have the desire honestly to sarge, I just wasn't feeling it, and I'm just tired of these weird games sometimes I guess...my motivation wasn't really in it...maybe she felt that..but I did enjoy some of that time there together.

Any insights on this? Ever have this happen before?

Just weird. Maybe I should have just played it cool through those statements and things would have unfolded naturally. The physical chemistry was there. My statement 'maybe I should crash at my place' could have been replaced by another statement that would have revved up a bit of her mojo or relaxed the situation. Live and learn I guess.
 

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not sure if there was anything weird going on, she clearly wanted to sleep with you, her saying "Im not going to sleep with you " is internatonal code for, "I dont want to appear to be a slut, but actually I do want to sleep with you".
Ive had this bs before, walking a nurse home, kissing etc..I got the "Im not going to sleep with you", 6 hours later I left her appartment, we didnt sleep together to be honest, although I did bang her 3 times!
 

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Doesn't sound like anything - it fact it sounds like she likes you, and isn't a slut (at least a slut by today's standards.) I'd even say that you're in a good frame, as she is feeling that you were expecting on getting some action that she rejected, and is feeling that she might have lost you because of it. She'll be motivated to giving it up when the time is right.

If you are attracted to her physically and liked her personality, I would continue to see her. I once dated a woman that was semi-long distance (about a 1-1/2 hour drive, so we would have to spend the night after a date), and it was a while before I hit the homer, so I understand that spending the night and sex are not causally related 100%.
 

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Come on man, that was just minor pre-emptive ASD. All girls put
up some silly front before they bang your brains out. She wanted some
that night, you basically got picked, simple stuff here.
 

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It is not what she SAYS, it's how she ACTS.

Compare: "I'm not going to sleep with you" vs. the act of taking you home to her place after letting/wanting you to feel up her body while dancing.

Think about it.
 

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DonJuanabe said:
It is not what she SAYS, it's how she ACTS.

Compare: "I'm not going to sleep with you" vs. the act of taking you home to her place after letting/wanting you to feel up her body while dancing.

Think about it.

exactly, and the flip side to that would be..

"i think you're really nice and would make a great boyfriend"

well how come i've never seen this girls bedroom?? :D
 

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Buddha_Mind said:
She suggests I can just stay at her place, I say cool, and then she says:

"but I'm not going to sleep with you"

"I say um okay."

Weird. What am I supposed to say. Ok so then I'm going to sleep on the couch or something? Just drop me off back at my place I think, I say to her. Maybe I should just sleep there. "Why? What did I do, I screwed this up" she said, "I just wanted to be upfront". I said, "Ok, that's fine, no you didn't ruin anything--just saying that made me feel uncomfortable--I just met you here tonight maybe I should just crash at my own place." (is what I said in response). She turns the car around starts driving me back, says, "I feel terrible", I say "Well don't feel terrible, relax, it's all cool--I truly enjoyed dancing with you *her name* and I had a very fun evening with you--here is my number and email get ahold of me I'll likely be over the pass again" and then she said "do you even want me to call you" I said "sure" and then we kissed (which was actually a really nice kiss).

/facepalm. When a woman says "we're not having sex tonight" you're probably having sex tonight. All it means is she already imagined what it'll be like with you and she's articulating her guilt/inner slut-shaming as a form of ASD to maintain plausible deniability. Treat it as a sh!t test, which is a form of rapport break, and reply with a rapport break of your own, ideally by ignoring what she said and simply changing the subject.
 

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Her: I'm not going to sleep with you.
Translation: I'm going to sleep with you.

Buddha: Just drop me off back at my place.
Translation: Sorry, not my type.
 

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Actions always speak louder than words. She's bringing you back to her house to sleep over!

When she said "I'm not sleeping with you", you should have responded with something funny or some teasing to make light of the situation. Then just go with the flow and see how far things go with no expectations.
 

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LOL.

Well I should know better but I didn't. You are all probably entirely right.

Live and learn right, won't repeat this same mistake.

Actions were all leaning towards getting more and more physical...I failed to read the language and actions over the words...

For the future:
What would you all say / do to move through a sh!t test such as this?


But honestly it did seem sort of snotty, like 'I'm not going to sleep with you just so you know'
 

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This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Buddha_Mind said:
LOL.



For the future:
What would you all say / do to move through a sh!t test such as this?


But honestly it did seem sort of snotty, like 'I'm not going to sleep with you just so you know'
'I'm not going to sleep with you, ]just so you know" response..."it never crossed my mind (she know your lying and she knows you know your lying, again its code, but you reinforce that crazy female 'logic') and anyway, we have only just met" ...then proceed to pay along till you get to her place, make out, escalate....end zone!
 

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betheman said:
'I'm not going to sleep with you, ]just so you know" response..."it never crossed my mind (she know your lying and she knows you know your lying, again its code, but you reinforce that crazy female 'logic') and anyway, we have only just met" ...then proceed to pay along till you get to her place, make out, escalate....end zone!
This probably would have been 100% the right course of action..

Just weird to me: Why would a woman say the opposite of what she wants? LOL this may be one of mankind's greater questions...

I would have responded more positively to "let's sleep together".
 

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Buddha_Mind said:
What would you all say / do to move through a sh!t test such as this?
Some quick responses that come to mind.... (all said with a smile, wink, nudge nudge type tone)

Her: "I'm not going to sleep with you."
You: "What makes you think I'd want to?"

Her: "I'm not going to sleep with you."
You: "Haha, nice try. You're gonna have work little harder than this to get me in the sack"

Her: "I'm not going to sleep with you."
You: "That's good cuz I have standards to uphold."


Basically you just want to deflect the negative comment with some light humor. This is all just ASD posturing on her part. If you show that you are fun, easy going, and her comments don't affect you then those defences will come down.
 

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Yes this has happened to me multiple times. Most all of those times I ended up having sex with the girl the same night just though persistence and good touching on my part.

Now, not saying you should aim to do this, it was just kind of my M.O. and I never took them seriously when they said that. It's partially an anti-slvt defense and partially a test to see how you'll handle it. Of course, she isnt actively thinking "I'm going to sh!t test him", it's just something girls say. She's obviously interested in you, so I wouldnt sweat over it.

In the future if you get that line, just say "ok" and carry right along.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

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"I'm not going to sleep with you tonight."

So many responses:

"That's cool it's already tomorrow."
"Sleep? We are staying up ALL... NIGHT... LONG."
"Good, cuz I need a back rub."

I hope the palm print on your face clears up soon my friend.
 

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Jesus!

"I'm not going to sleep with you" GUARANTEES that she is going to sleep with you.

Lesson learned, my friend. You'll be alright.

My response to that is ALWAYS my half-sincere, "Yeah. Of course."
 

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This girl might be thinking "I screwed this up! I had better stop this w0manese/stupid chick logic and start being upfront about my intentions!" :p

*Buddha, man I can´t believe you didn´t capitalize on her. It was GREEN signal. You´re not a noobie man!!
 

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Blue Phoenix said:
This girl might be thinking "I screwed this up! I had better stop this w0manese/stupid chick logic and start being upfront about my intentions!" :p

*Buddha, man I can´t believe you didn´t capitalize on her. It was GREEN signal. You´re not a noobie man!!
EVERYONE has weak moments where they get it wrong. Budda wasn't in the frame - he was relaxed and not concentrating and just letting things flow - sometimes that's a nice thing to do when a HB 6 or so is chasing you. You don't have to bang every single woman that crosses your path.

My response now (not then, it's gone) when next in touch, assuming you want someting from her, would be to text "well that didn't go so well did it.. lol ... try again, XX bar at 7 on Thursday?" Make it known you are interested, but play it cool. No more apologies, and no more talk about 'that night'. Start fresh.
 

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I understand why the OP did what he did. Sometimes you just don't want to deal with female BS. And if it's a long night and you're not really feeling it and she pulls some ASD, it just might put you out of the mood. Evidently she did screw it up -- men aren't always to blame when sex doesn't happen.

AND, the beauty of the situation is that next time, with the next guy, she won't put up as much of an ASD, because she'll remember what happened this time with you. You've "passed the p*ssy forward" to the next guy, which is almost as good as getting laid. I'm gonna make a post about that on my blog.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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