If you're a stud, don't be so ****y on approach

[chad2k5]

Me and a good friend of mine (who is very good looking) wanted to test something out. So he went up to 10 girls last night (all 9s) and layed down the C&F on 5 of them. 4 out of the 5 chicks DIDN'T give them their number. Almost all of them looked at him like he was an idiot, and rejected him. Now ALL, yes ALL of the other 5 woman he asked, give him their phone number from a normal, non C&F approach. Now obviously this was just one round of testing, but the point is there.

If you're an extremely good looking guy, and you approach a girl like you know she's gonna give you her number, what's gonna happen? Yup, You ain't gettin it. Hot woman love to reject very attractive looking guys. It boosts THEIR ego.

Think about it. Let's just reverse this a bit. Let's say a chick who is 9.5 walks up to YOU and is C&F, "busts your balls", trys to get YOUR digits. What would you do? What would you REALLY do? You'd reject her. She came up to you all ****y and thought she was slick, and you turned her down. You'll go after someone YOU want. But this woman was HOT, she doesn't get turned down by many guys, but YOU turned her down. She is probably thinking "what the hell?? Why doesn't he want me???" This is exactly how it works for woman when a hot guy approaches them with that attitude, it's no different. It's about power.

If you're very good looking, can the C&F altogether, you don't need it. It's only going to hurt your chances in the long run.

You know how it goes...

If it ain't broke.... don't fix it.

 

[Blizzard128]

Never really thought about it like that. Yeah I would get a kick out of turning down a really hot girl.

Excellent post. I agree

 

[tmpgstx]

Oh yeah and those really insecure bar flys love it probably more than anyone.

You know what really triggers these insecure types? Roll your eyes and shake your head a little .. she'll be trying to get other guys to kick your ass! LOL .. now would she care if she didn't find you attractive .. nope. It's because she found you attractive and you did this .. didn't give her the chance to reject you. You just put her down where she belongs - the bottom of the barrell.

 

[Fatality]

I don't care what a hot chick says to me, if she wants my number she's getting it.

 

[Blizzard128]

You're missing his point stupid. HOT girls have a lot of options. They're gonna be a lot less likely to give some hunk who's C&F her number cuz the hunk rarely gets rejected and he'll be surprised she'll fell like she's got the edge.

 

[tom121]

what if i am not a stud

 

[BLUEox117]

Originally posted by Blizzard128
You're missing his point stupid. HOT girls have a lot of options. They're gonna be a lot less likely to give some hunk who's C&F her number cuz the hunk rarely gets rejected and he'll be surprised she'll fell like she's got the edge.

you poor men, you must all have had your hearts broken by some *****es, cause ive not seen respectable woman do dumb shlt like that.

 

[StringShredder]

Originally posted by Fatality
I don't care what a hot chick says to me, if she wants my number she's getting it.

What for, she ain't calling it, haha!

If a hot chick wants your number, it means you have captivated her interest, right there in that moment. Capitalize on that fleeting interest by asking ``let's exchange numbers'' instead! You can't rely on her to call you because her interest will likely vaporize by the time it would be right for her to call. Even if it doesn't vaporize, maybe she won't work up the nerve to call you. She's a chick; she's not supposed to and she knows it.

Or consider this: if she's confident enough to ask for your number, she probably does that with a lot of guys. She has a lot of numbers. Being a hot chick, she doesn't have to play the numbers game with these numbers. She can call any one of those guys and it's almost a sure thing; she doesn't have to call every single one and work the lead. So if she does any calling at all she will just pick one or two and call those; she'll probably call whichever made the best, most lasting impression on her. Will that be you? Can't rely on it.

Don't rely on chicks for anything! Turn it around so you can take the next action with her.

 

[tmpgstx]

Thru all the stupendous research and analysis i have come to one very important conclusion .. one so important that it could have it's own dam T-shirt.

The only true way to win a confident/healthy/stable hottie is to have her chasing you. In effect she is 'winning' you, but you are winning her too because the attraction is mutual.

 

[MacDiddy]

I question if you guys applied C&F as it was intended...

give us a sample of the C&F stuff you used..

 

[Double]

Originally posted by tmpgstx
The only true way to win a confident/healthy/stable hottie is to have her chasing you. In effect she is 'winning' you, but you are winning her too because the attraction is mutual.

that deserves a bump! no need to worry if the chick really wants you

 

[SheepSter]

This is why C+F is NOT good, and P+F (playfull and funny) is. The test you did with your friend is very accurate on the subject. C+F is used to create attraction, when you look good the attraction is already there, there's no real need to create more. But the ****y part is what destroyes it. Most girls are just as us, on some level intimidated by good looks (with more experience this goes away and looks won't matter). Simply said good looks and C+F create arrogance, and that is NOT in your best interest.

Good looks and arrogance are devided by a very thin line. Cross the line and you blow yourself out. Now what is the difference between C+F and P+F. I think it's best explained with an example:

Say you start talking with some fine looking babe and she asks you your age.

You respond with:

C+F: I don't know if I should tell you, I mean you could be a stalker.

P+F: I'm 38 (I'm 19), my son invited me to come along and get drunk.

Basic difference = no ****iness, it get's you way better results.

 

[dj_spain]

Originally posted by SheepSter
This is why C+F is NOT good, and P+F (playfull and funny) is. The test you did with your friend is very accurate on the subject. C+F is used to create attraction, when you look good the attraction is already there, there's no real need to create more. But the ****y part is what destroyes it. Most girls are just as us, on some level intimidated by good looks (with more experience this goes away and looks won't matter). Simply said good looks and C+F create arrogance, and that is NOT in your best interest.

Good looks and arrogance are devided by a very thin line. Cross the line and you blow yourself out. Now what is the difference between C+F and P+F. I think it's best explained with an example:

Say you start talking with some fine looking babe and she asks you your age.

You respond with:

C+F: I don't know if I should tell you, I mean you could be a stalker.

P+F: I'm 38 (I'm 19), my son invited me to come along and get drunk.

Basic difference = no ****iness, it get's you way better results.

Agree

 

[doctoroxygen]

Originally posted by SheepSter
This is why C+F is NOT good, and P+F (playfull and funny) is. The test you did with your friend is very accurate on the subject. C+F is used to create attraction, when you look good the attraction is already there, there's no real need to create more. But the ****y part is what destroyes it. Most girls are just as us, on some level intimidated by good looks (with more experience this goes away and looks won't matter). Simply said good looks and C+F create arrogance, and that is NOT in your best interest.

Good looks and arrogance are devided by a very thin line. Cross the line and you blow yourself out. Now what is the difference between C+F and P+F. I think it's best explained with an example:

Say you start talking with some fine looking babe and she asks you your age.

You respond with:

C+F: I don't know if I should tell you, I mean you could be a stalker.

P+F: I'm 38 (I'm 19), my son invited me to come along and get drunk.

Basic difference = no ****iness, it get's you way better results.

This is a good point, but it's dangerous to adopt the attitude that you don't need ANY C&F in your game. If you're really good looking, just use one or two C&F comments to show you're not a needy guy, and then just be playful. Just being playful from the start won't work as well to build attraction.

 

[Royal Elite]

Originally posted by doctoroxygen
This is a good point, but it's dangerous to adopt the attitude that you don't need ANY C&F in your game. If you're really good looking, just use one or two C&F comments to show you're not a needy guy, and then just be playful. Just being playful from the start won't work as well to build attraction.

David's c&F attitude is for average to below average guys. If you are good looking the only reason you aren't getting laid is because you are cowardly. Any message you are trying to send is already assumed if you are a extremely good looking guy, you don't have to prove anything. She doesn't need you to explain a lot of women want you, she already believes that. she don't need you to explain to her how she wants you, she already does.

A gorgeous woman using ****y and funny will be viewed as a bit%h while a gorgous woman who is nice will be looked more because she is so nice and gorgous at the same time.

Remember if you didn't already have an advantage as a good looking guy, guys wouldnt be here lamenting over the fact they are not good looking.

 

[ScrewIt]

I agree with Sheepster.

If you're a stud with the right attitude (with C&F). Certain people will label you as a player. You've already got the looks, and the confidence....there's no stopping you from becoming a manwh0re is there? Exactly, im betting that's whats going on in their minds.

I guess this proves to show good looks may require less game. But IMO, you need game (personality) to stay with the chick....cant survive with looks alone. As stated from time and time again, looks get you in the door, the rest is up to you.

In some previous thread, someone mentioned that girls can be more forgiving if you have the looks. And this might just be it.

 

[A-Unit]

Wake up call.

Hot women have lots of OPTIONS, but very few CHOICES. If 100 men, all slinging C&F, NLP, Hypnosis, and wearing a variety of metrosexually approved clothing approached her, she'd CHOOSE only a handfull.


A hot woman, like any self respecting man, is choosy; why settle for anything less than your own happiness?


When her value is on her looks, she'll make you pay the highest price, which means you better bring as tight a game as possible. HOWEVER, 1 glaring point you must keep in mind with women, and even yourself...


**You don't know her past.** And that's a good thing.


Many girls have dated losers since they were young, they have dated beneath them, been hurt, never had good sex, dated psychos and so forth. There's lots of presuppositions that because she's hot, she's had this PERFECT dating past. In fact, MOST hot girls I've dated (ones who get lots of looks at bars, clubs, and even eyes from friends), had terrible dating records, and just being average, normal, is actually SEEN AS ABOVE AVERAGE. Weird, right??? And totally true.


Without knowing her past, you could be falling into the same trap as past guys did, hence the "anchoring effect." I'll describe it in a story below.

_________________________

Case:


A girl I'm dating had a bf who did roids, had alot of the types of guys around her who enjoyed fights, getting drunk and brawling. Purely manly bs. She rarely had good sex, and never felt romanced, because she's always had a very low maintence, lovable demeanor. Over a period of time we got to know each other without all the bs and we've clicked. Very well.


A few sticking points we had was when I'd make plans 'casually', and then not call, she'd get upset, even though we never hooked up. I might say...

"I'll call ya after I'm done."

Well, I wasn't done doing what I was doing, so I never called. She automatically pegged me as an a-hole, because that's what she was used. Also, jokingly, I called her a b!tch because she was acting snobby and inflexible. She got quiet. Not only did she hate the word, even if joking, but it brought back bad memories of times wit her X's.

__________________________

And if you're turning down a hot chick, you're only damaging your own dating life. The guys on sosuave or any other website don't care, and would most likely think your crazy. Personally, I'd swoop right in anyways.




A-Unit

 

[Fatality]

Originally posted by Blizzard128
You're missing his point stupid. HOT girls have a lot of options. They're gonna be a lot less likely to give some hunk who's C&F her number cuz the hunk rarely gets rejected and he'll be surprised she'll fell like she's got the edge.

I saw the point, post more pics of mommy tucking you in

 

[ketostix]

I see the point if you're a good looking guy the attraction is there for the female and you can be more genuine with her. But your premise implies that a less attractive guy would've gotten more success using C+F on these girls. Seems to me he would've just gotten blown out faster than the good looking guy.

I don't know about this C+F stuff. If you're good looking and the girl's attracted C+F makes you appear conceited and arrogant, and if you're not attractive C+F makes you appear a jerk. At any rate I don't see the C+F route working either way, but maybe I'm missing something.

I'm certainly not convinced by using C+F that an average guy can create attraction in his target. Any approach could work sometimes, even going direct sexual. But I'm starting to think C+F just makes girls put up their anti-jerk defense, just like when you go too sexual too fast the girl may put up her anti-slut defense. Being playing and flirting seems a much better route.

I haven't gotten anywhere using C+F, actually using it has been a dismal failure. Maybe it doesn't work for everyone, or it has to be done just right but if you have to change it too much it would no longer be C+F. Where are the C+F lines and the success stories outside of the DYD mailbag? If I'm beating on this issue it's because everyone keeps bringing it up and swearing allegiance to it and I think we need a new view of C+F.

 

[Reach]

Originally posted by ketostix
I see the point if you're a good looking guy the attraction is there for the female and you can be more genuine with her. But your premise implies that a less attractive guy would've gotten more success using C+F on these girls. Seems to me he would've just gotten blown out faster than the good looking guy.

I don't know about this C+F stuff. If you're good looking and the girl's attracted C+F makes you appear conceited and arrogant, and if you're not attractive C+F makes you appear a jerk. At any rate I don't see the C+F route working either way, but maybe I'm missing something.

I'm certainly not convinced by using C+F that an average guy can create attraction in his target. Any approach could work sometimes, even going direct sexual. But I'm starting to think C+F just makes girls put up their anti-jerk defense, just like when you go too sexual too fast the girl may put up her anti-slut defense. Being playing and flirting seems a much better route.

I haven't gotten anywhere using C+F, actually using it has been a dismal failure. Maybe it doesn't work for everyone, or it has to be done just right but if you have to change it too much it would no longer be C+F. Where are the C+F lines and the success stories outside of the DYD mailbag? If I'm beating on this issue it's because everyone keeps bringing it up and swearing allegiance to it and I think we need a new view of C+F.

Tell me how you put it into practice then?

David said it's only for less than 20% of the interaction. The rest is your inner understanding.

If you're not congruent with it then don't use it and expect the same results as with someone who it works for.

In real life- heres somethings which have worked for me-

I was walking from work and passed a woman on a bench. I walked back and said "Bit cold to be out, isn't it?"

She said "Oh, I'm smoking..."

I sat down next to her touching her and in her personal space and then said "Can I have a go?" She handed over her cigarette and I smoked it, then put it into my left hand furtherst away from her and started asking her questions about herself and telling her about me. At stages she would say something like "Can I have it back?" and I'd say, "Yeah, there's three things about me that most people notice intially. Number one, I'm really good looking. Number two, I'm really talented. And number three, I'm modest, which is good, because if I wasn't modest people would see me as arrogant, and nobody likes that."

She was like "Oh, you're outrageous!!"

Back then I didn't close the deal but I probably would have the confidence to now.

Another time I was WORKING stacking up the freezer section at teh supermarket and spotted an absolute stunner with big tits and thing waist etc. When she came down my aisle I said to her "Woah, you've been walking!" She looked up at me and smiled a little unsure of what was going on then looked down to her bell bottom trousers where there was a big watermark and giggled. Then I pointed to a ****ty product and said "What, you looking for this?"

She laughed and made a really big expression and was like "NO! no, I was just looking around."

Then I started getting closer to her, and asked her about her jewlery, picked it up around her neck and wrist and as I was playing with her necklace I touched her boob in a kino kind of way and she was eating it up.

Then I said "When you see me out, buy me a drink. I know what, I'll show you what drink I like!" and walked her with my arm around her waist over to the liquer section and showed her everything I liked. Then I was holding her hand and if I'd kiss closed then I doubt I would've got any resistance, but I didn't have the experiance back then to know that.

Anyway, I pointed to another girl who worked there and said "You know what I really do, I make porn. Would you ever consider a threesome with that girl?"

By the look on her face she was really considering it and said, not "**** off" or "No way" but "Uhh, that girl isn't really my type. I don't know..." "I'll pay you £5! Come on think of the money!" then straining she goes "Oh, no?!" Then I said "Better be getting back to work."

A few months later I saw her at a bar and she remembered me, I think she was actually there with a boyfreind and all the guys were all over her, but she stared at me all the time. The funny thing was she gave me her e-mail (don't think it was real, got a message back saying unable to deliver as network was down, next) but whatever. I pulled that night anyway.