If your face is not long, or if you are not tall, then you shouldn't bulk up

[darp]

lol...fun stuff. I think that debates like this are what put the "laughter" in manslaughter. I don't think that it seems all to rational for 2 reasonably str8(I hope) guys to be discussing what makes guys hot. Especially sense, if this site is about anything, its not about the looks. Its your game...leave the looking good to the women...leave the manipulating to the DJ's.

That said, I will through my 2 cents into the topic (in hopes of not spamming)....

I think things can be seperated pretty nicely purely by what it is that the person is trying to accomplish. The sprinter vs. Distance runner example fit it nicely.

Theres no doubt that both guys are in shape, but one needs muscles for burst the other needs endurance for stamina...they train differently but there's no doubt about atheleticism. I don't in the least bit attempt to judge a woman's perspective of sexy I just think at the end of the day its subjective.
Look at certain guys like Usher (since he's been named) dude is ridiculously in shape and works out very hard to attain the figure he has. Is he muscular, no, is he lean VERY. He has the figure that best allows him to do what he does...girls find it hot.
Now look at a guy like Batista (WWE wrestler)..Ridiculously in shape as well and I'm sure he spends much time in the gym to attain the figure he has. Is he muscular yes, and he's lean as well. Women still find him hot. Nuff said.

Either way it goes women will date a guy if he has the necessary tools. As far as the height thing..I think that holds more substantial weight than anythign else said in this thread. Just for experimental purposes...log onto myspace and go through a bunch of profiles of single women. They all tend to have the "what i want in a mate" area at the bottom of their profile...and usually the overwhelming majority of women want a guy thats taller than they are. I'm 6-4 so this isn't a problem I normally have but I've seen women automatically give dudes the snub because they were short.
But on the other hand...thats just funny..so does it really matter?

 

[DJ_in_making]

???

Jesus h. christ you're a nitpicker.

Put all the big guys on one team, put all the skinny guys on the other. Who would you put money on to win a long distance race? Deny my logic.

I'd put my money on the skinny guys. That is if both teams are conditioned, if they're both out of shape in a long distance race its anyone's race.

 

[[S]alvatore]

The reason is that if you have a face that's round (is not rectangular) or is kind of wide, then bulking up will only make your face look more round or wide. It won't look more masculine, it will just look like you're overweight.

If your face is kind of round, then what you should do instead is cut or lose weight, this will hollow out your cheeks and give you more cheekbones.

It's also a common misconception that girls go out with muscular guys (like Stallone or Arnold). This only happens in movies. And notice in rare occasions where a guy looks good buff, is when the guy is really tall. This is because big muscles is in proportion to the height so it doesn't look weird. But if you're not really tall, being bulky actually will make you look shorter because of the proportion. Most girls I've talked to think that guys with big muscles is a turn off. They would rather go out with someone who is lean. Someone with a body like Bruce Lee, Usher, or Chuck Norris.

I just had to read this post to know why you have reputation disabled. Stop talking sh!t, were here to help people.

 

[grr]

To be honest if I put all the skinny guys & big guys I PERSONALLY KNOW from life, sports, etc. in that endurance race the big guys would win overwhelmingly because being big with muscles implies physical fitness. You can be skinny or fat without doing ****. But yeah, use a random sample and my example is crap. Maybe it's due in part from me working in IT and seeing so many skinny weaklings all day.

But yeah, regarding Usher & Batista or w/e: If Usher put on 20 lbs of muscle everyone would still love him. If Batista lost 20 lbs of muscle his fans would boo him.

Try to think of a sitcom in the last 20 years (or ever?) that has a skinny, yet manly, male father. Bob Saget? No, try again, he's not manly in fullhouse.

Back to: Being big implies maintenance which implies level-headed thinking which implies they're the standard. Regardless if you're skinny because of genetics or because you work to be that, girls usually go for the bigger guy.

And I know what you mean about the height thing, but 6'4" is almost freakishly tall compared to the average of 5'10". You'll scare away some smurfettes with that height. Lol, j/p.

On a tangent: I'm 6'1" and I was hitting on a bridesmaid at my sister's wedding, right? So she starts telling me about how her older sister's boyfriend was like Superman. I laughed and she started listing off facts about him like how he was a firefighter, then a police officer, a kung fu master who studied in japan, and is now a forest ranger.

First reply I came back with?

"Is he short?"

She immediately says yes but then later takes it back denying he's short. I ask my sister because she's her friend whether or not he's short. The dude's like 5'6". . . I also pointed out to her that practicing Kung Fu for the years he did wasn't very impressive considering what a useless martial art it is for fighting. (He may as well have been a male cheerleader for three years, instead.)

Turned out she was a 22 year old virgin, anyway. She was a 6-8 too, it boggles the mind she hasn't popped some lucky guy's pringles can, yet. But, AFC girls are a-plenty, last thing I need is to lay a certified AFC girl who still hasn't graduated to womanhood.

Anyway, I do find it funny how with bad parenting many short guys overcompensate while you can consistently find a lot of tall guys are lazy and end up having to play catch-up later.

It IS pretty silly to argue about this stuff when any girl worth having will be looking at the entire package and not just one feature. But its also pretty silly that so many people are obese, or so many people are beanpoles when with a little education & research they can improve either situation drastically.

For me its just fun going places and being able to pick someone's body apart and know exactly the type of stuff they do. For instance some six-packers I know are crazy alcoholics.

Then I put two and two together and realized alcohol makes you dehydrated, so the next morning, you go from hydrated bulking look to looking *temporarily* ripped! Seriously, if you're a drinker try it one night!

 

[Adone]

This is why moderately overweight guy will get more sex from a broader range of women than a skinny ripped guy any day of the week. That was the point of my original post: Being big, even if its a little on the fatty side, will get you more women than having a six pack and remaining small.

That's not necessarily true (for example, at the beach or whenever you are not wearing a shirt, it's better to be skinny but cut rather than a bit bigger but with visible fat amounts).

Moreover, from what I've been reading on this Board, America differs a lot from Europe (italy, at least). Where I live, I am considered "too buff" at 5'8 and 155 lbs, and that's not perceived as hot. Generally speaking, Italian girls love guys who are naturally broad-shouldered, but skinny (ie: not "pumped" muscles, just athletic).

Probably this is because bodybuilding is not very popular here, so if a girl sees a guy with broad shoulders and chest, she immediately thinks he's at least a bit fat. Today a girl MSNed me that she saw some pics on my profile and I am a muscular guy, when she thought I was fatter when she saw me at a party some days ago (my bodyfat is below 12%, but since I look bigger than most guys, she automatically categorized me as "somewhat fat" rather than muscular).

 

[Bvbidd]

Most girls do think your fat if your muscular, you realize that right?

 

[Skilla_Staz]

Most girls do think your fat if your muscular, you realize that right?

Where on earth did you come up with that idea?

 

[Taviii]

Why do fat guys always find reasons why its better to be big than skinny?

Just cut! No one cares anyway. You are only fooling yourself with these patetic excuses!

 

[Skilla_Staz]

Or just lean bulk. You CAN lose fat and bulk at the same time.

 

[Jariel]

But you can't bulk up and cut at the same time. The body (or face) doesn't work that way.

No not at the same time, but you balance it out. After bulking, you cut to lose the fat and retain the muscle for the toned, maybe even ripped look. This applies to the face too because you develop the muscles in your neck, jaw and cheeks, then drop the fat for a defined and masculine facial structure.

Most girls do think your fat if your muscular, you realize that right?

That's only true if your waist is wider than your chest. It's all about proportion, and as far as I'm concerned no male or female's chest should ever be narrower than his/her waist!

 

[manbearpig]

How the **** do you develop muscles in your face? Just wondering.

 

[Jariel]

How the **** do you develop muscles in your face? Just wondering.

There are 4 muscle groups that control the jaw (temporalis, masseter, lateral pterygoid and medial pterygoid if you want their names) and these spread over the side of the face. Brad Pitt and Guy Pearce are good examples of guys with visibly developed face muscles and that chiseled look.

If you want to develop them, just try clenching your jaw tightly and working them as you would any other muscle group. But like all muscle groups, they need the right diet too.

Note: like all muscle exercises be careful not to overdo jaw exercises. I sprained my jaw not so long ago and couldn't close my mouth for a week.

 

[Silverback82]

Most girls do think your fat if your muscular, you realize that right?

explain this because i've never heard anything like it

 

[manbearpig]

Note: like all muscle exercises be careful not to overdo jaw exercises. I sprained my jaw not so long ago and couldn't close my mouth for a week.

Ever got a muscle cramp in your jaw? IT ****IN' HURTS.

Thanks for the info, btw.

 

[DJ_in_making]

And I know what you mean about the height thing, but 6'4" is almost freakishly tall compared to the average of 5'10". You'll scare away some smurfettes with that height. Lol, j/p.

is 5'10 average height?

 

[Consent]

I just had to read this post to know why you have reputation disabled. Stop talking sh!t, were here to help people.

Yeah cuz I didn't want keyboard jockeys giving me their stupid input.

How am I talking "sh!t" and not helping people? My entire post was designed to help people. So you're saying I'm wrong, and guys should bulk up even when they're not tall and even if their facial structure doesn't work with a large frame?

Man, I see so many guys at the gym, you know those really big guys who can lift more weight than anyone else. They walk around and all the other guys respect them because they climbed up the status ladder in the gym. But as soon as they leave the gym, the status is gone because girls are not attracted to these big hulking guys who can bench press 300 lbs. They look disproportionate and usually fat.

 

[grr]

(I don't really care if I hijack this thread. The people endorsing a skinny physique haven't made it clear whether they actually have any experience being big, or even have any attractive big friends, so its all conjecture for them. Besides, they're just wrong. )

is 5'10 average height?

http://pediatrics.about.com/cs/growthcharts2/f/avg_ht_male.htm

5 feet 9.2 inches for the U.S., apparently. I forget where I heard 5'10", but maybe that was talking about the global average at the time.

Also keep in mind that average height is gradually increasing worldwide.

Some of the sites I looked at said that only .5% of the U.S. male adult population is over 6'4", so yeah since you probably won't stop growing until you're 25 you're entering giant territory. I grew to 5'11" when I was 14 and have steadily kept growing until I'm now 6'1".

Some dated charts I looked at show men decreasing in height gradually, losing on average about an inch by the time they're 50:

http://www.halls.md/chart/men-height-w.htm

While I was searching I found this, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heightism

 

[Skilla_Staz]

Yeah cuz I didn't want keyboard jockeys giving me their stupid input.

How am I talking "sh!t" and not helping people? My entire post was designed to help people. So you're saying I'm wrong, and guys should bulk up even when they're not tall and even if their facial structure doesn't work with a large frame?

Man, I see so many guys at the gym, you know those really big guys who can lift more weight than anyone else. They walk around and all the other guys respect them because they climbed up the status ladder in the gym. But as soon as they leave the gym, the status is gone because girls are not attracted to these big hulking guys who can bench press 300 lbs. They look disproportionate and usually fat.

Chances are those guys are powerlifters, or strongmen who often don't worry too much about bodyfat. They eat whatever they want, whenever they want. However, if you see the muscular, lean guys, (5'10 about 190-200lbs) who aren't HUGE like bodybuilders but aren't skinny like me (5'10 155) they get quite a few girls talking about their 'bods"

 

[Bvbidd]

If your muscular and put heavy clothes on, she's not going to know you have muscle.. or care how strong you are. You look fat.

You should not be big to the point of looking bulky, just muscle tone. Still though, even slightly fat guys get laid. Relax and get healthy.

 

[Skilla_Staz]

If your muscular and put heavy clothes on, she's not going to know you have muscle.. or care how strong you are. You look fat.

You should not be big to the point of looking bulky, just muscle tone. Still though, even slightly fat guys get laid. Relax and get healthy.

This is why, if you're fatter, wear relaxed fit clothes. If you're muscular, wear better fitting clothes. If you're skinny, wear clothes that fit alright, but aren't really all that tight.