If you don't have looks, you're doomed

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Now, usually I stay away from these threads, as they're boring and repetitive, but I realized something, looks is the number one thing you need to succeed.

My sister, who is considered very attractive, gets hit on constantly throughout her life. I asked her if looks mattered to her, and she said "not really". She's dated 3 guys. All very good-looking. And I've seen unattractive guys try to get with her who actually had good game, and she nicely blew them off.

The problem with SS is it gives guys a false sense of reality. The mentality is "game is all you need, be smooth, etc." Sure an unattractive guy CAN land a hot babe, but for every time that happens, how many ATTRACTIVE guys get the girl? Probably 10 to 1. The ugly guy is the exception, not the rule.

Another thing I notice is people saying "Oh I know plenty of average guys who land hot babes." When in actuality, you're underestimating the guys looks. And you think the girl he's with thinks he's "average?" C'mon.

Anyone here who thinks you just need game and C&F, you're delusional. Sure, some of the stuff sounds good reading it on the internet, but putting it to use in real life is a different story. I challenge any unattractive guy to go up to HB 9 and lay down some game on a cold approach. You WILL get shot down, save the ego hit for another day.

You people have the audacity to say hot girls are shallow b!tches, yet these same people are the ones trying to get into their pants. Ironic isn't it? Anytime I even hear the word "game" subconsciously it reminds me of average guys trying to hook up with women who are out of their league.

To all the guys who are wondering why they couldn't get the number, or if she wasn't interested because you came on too strong, or you weren't confident enough. The truth... is... you weren't good looking enough. Anyone who says different is lying to you, and themselves.

The end.
 

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This post is against all this forum .

You're wrong . No need to put facts on it because everyone knows this .

If your clean , fresh , funny , interesting man with high value , you definitely have everything you need to get girls .


PERIOD. Any discussion trying to convince you and others that look matters , is waste of time .
 

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Since you've been here I would have thought you would already know that now omen is out of anyone's league especially since most women have no goal in life but no women is out of your league UNLESS you put them out of your league.

Plus your comment about being ironic makes no sense as well, for the most part hot women are superficial they care only about how good they look with what makeup or what purse fits her shoes. I mean it's the stereotype but it's true , but I dont get the reason you call it ironic the guys here are trying to better themselves while what the hot women are trying to find a new set of shoes.

There is a difference between ugly and average, now most men are average and probably out of shape are super skinny but they still pick up women so saying that you didnt get the number SOLELY on your looks is asinine.

You seem to have made a thread that gives nothing back to the forum but take up space and I guess you were trying to make a point but your point is loss on me, yes it's good to look good but so what? IF you think gaming is all about looks or someone say's it's all about looks their lying to you and themselves. Maybe we should see a picture of you so we can critique on how you look, I mean you make a big deal about looks let's see how you fair on a scale.
 

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Obey Propaganda said:
Now, usually I stay away from these threads, as they're boring and repetitive, but I realized something, looks is the number one thing you need to succeed.

My sister, who is considered very attractive, gets hit on constantly throughout her life. I asked her if looks mattered to her, and she said "not really". She's dated 3 guys. All very good-looking. And I've seen unattractive guys try to get with her who actually had good game, and she nicely blew them off.

The problem with SS is it gives guys a false sense of reality. The mentality is "game is all you need, be smooth, etc." Sure an unattractive guy CAN land a hot babe, but for every time that happens, how many ATTRACTIVE guys get the girl? Probably 10 to 1. The ugly guy is the exception, not the rule.

Another thing I notice is people saying "Oh I know plenty of average guys who land hot babes." When in actuality, you're underestimating the guys looks. And you think the girl he's with thinks he's "average?" C'mon.

Anyone here who thinks you just need game and C&F, you're delusional. Sure, some of the stuff sounds good reading it on the internet, but putting it to use in real life is a different story. I challenge any unattractive guy to go up to HB 9 and lay down some game on a cold approach. You WILL get shot down, save the ego hit for another day.

You people have the audacity to say hot girls are shallow b!tches, yet these same people are the ones trying to get into their pants. Ironic isn't it? Anytime I even hear the word "game" subconsciously it reminds me of average guys trying to hook up with women who are out of their league.

To all the guys who are wondering why they couldn't get the number, or if she wasn't interested because you came on too strong, or you weren't confident enough. The truth... is... you weren't good looking enough. Anyone who says different is lying to you, and themselves.

The end.
You are only half right. You have to understand that women are emotional creatures. They have a reality totaly different then men. Men are probably more shallow because 80% of our attraction is looks alone (not that shallow is a bad thing). Women are emotional not realistic. A woman will chose a man because he makes her feel a certain way or improves her social standing. Yes, women like hot guys because they can take them around her friends and will improve her social standing, but if they do not appeal to her emotions they will be dumped. This "game" as you call it is the other half that appeals to her emotions. That is the ****y/funny ect. that you are putting down. Anyone with the game understanding has at least as much as an attractive person with no game. It levels the playing field. But grooming, style, and appearance is a basic strategy that is taught and is necessary to be successful. No one says it dosent matter but it is just one aspect.
 

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Men's Looks are only part of the Equation to overall Attractiveness to women.

Women want to feel your confidence, decisiveness, attitude about life, that you have goals and ambition, and your comfortable with sexuality.
Women feel you out to see if you are comfortable with women in general.
It has NOTHING to do with looks.

Looks don't build a house.
Doesnt fight off the bad guys.
Doesnt lead a family.
Doesnt make critical decisions calmly.
Doesnt give her sexual satisfaction.
Doesnt fulfill her need for emotional intimacy.

It is about strong Masculine Character. Maturity, Emotional Strength, Self Esteem and Self Respect, decision making, leadership, and ambition and goals in life.
She wants to know you know where you're going.


Now, if you are looking for a woman for purely sexual relations, then you are placing yourself in a purely sexual attractiveness scale and criteria, which is only somewhat more favoring sexually attractive good looks.
In the first case, the woman will want you any way she can have you, in the second, she will only look at you as a sexual partner, nothing more.

Still, women are more sexually aroused by confidence, leadership, decisiveness, and character, and core masculinity.
You must learn how a woman's mind views attraction.

Many men look at themselves from the outside IN, and then make these all encompassing grand sweeping "conclusions" which are entirely subjective, and based on external factors.
Instead, men need to look IN Ward.
Stop trying to put a Band Aid on a gaping wound.
Stop trying to focus on the Symptom, instead Focus on the CAUSE of the DISEASE.

When you work on the INNER SELF, you WILL make the realization that it is not solely about 'looks', or the 'pickup line'....
it will be so laughably obvious, that you will feel ridiculous looking back and seeing that you used to actually BELIEVE all that sh*t....

Stay strong, and look for truth...not self limiting propaganda that OTHER people are DICTATING to YOU.
 

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I hate that guy,the one in the pictures. How old is he? How does he do it? What do I need to do? I.m getting desperate. I haven't had sex in over 2 years,and here's this guy pulling a 3some. See why I am bitter?
 

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Obey Propaganda said:
Now, usually I stay away from these threads, as they're boring and repetitive, but I realized something, looks is the number one thing you need to succeed.

My sister, who is considered very attractive, gets hit on constantly throughout her life. I asked her if looks mattered to her, and she said "not really". She's dated 3 guys. All very good-looking. And I've seen unattractive guys try to get with her who actually had good game, and she nicely blew them off.

The problem with SS is it gives guys a false sense of reality. The mentality is "game is all you need, be smooth, etc." Sure an unattractive guy CAN land a hot babe, but for every time that happens, how many ATTRACTIVE guys get the girl? Probably 10 to 1. The ugly guy is the exception, not the rule.

Another thing I notice is people saying "Oh I know plenty of average guys who land hot babes." When in actuality, you're underestimating the guys looks. And you think the girl he's with thinks he's "average?" C'mon.

Anyone here who thinks you just need game and C&F, you're delusional. Sure, some of the stuff sounds good reading it on the internet, but putting it to use in real life is a different story. I challenge any unattractive guy to go up to HB 9 and lay down some game on a cold approach. You WILL get shot down, save the ego hit for another day.

You people have the audacity to say hot girls are shallow b!tches, yet these same people are the ones trying to get into their pants. Ironic isn't it? Anytime I even hear the word "game" subconsciously it reminds me of average guys trying to hook up with women who are out of their league.

To all the guys who are wondering why they couldn't get the number, or if she wasn't interested because you came on too strong, or you weren't confident enough. The truth... is... you weren't good looking enough. Anyone who says different is lying to you, and themselves.

The end.
Wrong.
 

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What is this matrix thing? The limited beliefs of the world or yourself? The feminist matrix? Is it just the inability to take action or the feelings of not being good enough?
 

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Obey Propaganda said:
Now, usually I stay away from these threads, as they're boring and repetitive, but I realized something, looks is the number one thing you need to succeed.

My sister, who is considered very attractive, gets hit on constantly throughout her life. I asked her if looks mattered to her, and she said "not really". She's dated 3 guys. All very good-looking. And I've seen unattractive guys try to get with her who actually had good game, and she nicely blew them off.

The problem with SS is it gives guys a false sense of reality. The mentality is "game is all you need, be smooth, etc." Sure an unattractive guy CAN land a hot babe, but for every time that happens, how many ATTRACTIVE guys get the girl? Probably 10 to 1. The ugly guy is the exception, not the rule.

Another thing I notice is people saying "Oh I know plenty of average guys who land hot babes." When in actuality, you're underestimating the guys looks. And you think the girl he's with thinks he's "average?" C'mon.

Anyone here who thinks you just need game and C&F, you're delusional. Sure, some of the stuff sounds good reading it on the internet, but putting it to use in real life is a different story. I challenge any unattractive guy to go up to HB 9 and lay down some game on a cold approach. You WILL get shot down, save the ego hit for another day.

You people have the audacity to say hot girls are shallow b!tches, yet these same people are the ones trying to get into their pants. Ironic isn't it? Anytime I even hear the word "game" subconsciously it reminds me of average guys trying to hook up with women who are out of their league.

To all the guys who are wondering why they couldn't get the number, or if she wasn't interested because you came on too strong, or you weren't confident enough. The truth... is... you weren't good looking enough. Anyone who says different is lying to you, and themselves.

The end.

Oh... Okay... The ultimate arbiter is your hot sister then...

Someone must teach "statistics 101" to you guys and maybe some primitive logic concepts.

Just becasue your hot sister (how old is she 20 ??) values looks more than we think, DOES NOT mean it can be generalized to the whole womaniverse.

Just THINK about it for a second before posting these " EUREKA !" threads.

Edit: I briefly re-read your post. Waste of time. The thing is your thinking and understanding are shallow. And you are insecure with women so you are attributing that to your looks. Don't be afraid young man. It is not your looks. It is really your confidence that matters in the long run.

And nobody in SS, EVER claimed that looks is not important. It is one of the important factors. We just don't overrate it. And it is true. And you suck.

QED
 

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If you don't have salami, you're doomed

Now, usually I stay away from these threads, as they're boring and repetitive, but I realized something, looks is the number one thing you need to succeed.

My sister, who has a lot of salami, gets hit on constantly throughout her life. I asked her if salami mattered to her, and she said "not really". She's dated 3 guys. All with a great deal of salami. And I've seen guys without salami try to get with her who actually had good game, and she nicely blew them off.

The problem with SS is it gives guys a false sense of reality. The mentality is "game is all you need, be smooth, etc." Sure a guy without salami CAN land a hot babe, but for every time that happens, how many guys with tons of salami get the girl? Probably 10 to 1. The salami-less guy is the exception, not the rule.

Another thing I notice is people saying "Oh I know plenty of guys with some salami who land hot babes." When in actuality, you're underestimating the guy's salami. And you think the girl he's with thinks he's "of average salami ownership?" C'mon.

Anyone here who thinks you just need game and C&F, you're delusional. Sure, some of the stuff sounds good reading it on the internet, but putting it to use in real life is a different story. I challenge any salami-less guy to go up to HB 9 and lay down some game on a cold approach. You WILL get shot down, save the ego hit for another day.

You people have the audacity to say girls with tons of salami are shallow b!tches, yet these same people are the ones trying to get into their pants. Ironic isn't it? Anytime I even hear the word "game" subconsciously it reminds me of average salami ownership guys trying to hook up with women who are out of their league.

To all the guys who are wondering why they couldn't get the number, or if she wasn't interested because you came on too strong, or you weren't confident enough. The truth... is... you don't own enough salami. Anyone who says different is lying to you, and themselves.

The end.
 

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Obey Propaganda said:
Now, usually I stay away from these threads, as they're boring and repetitive, but I realized something, looks is the number one thing you need to succeed.

My sister, who is considered very attractive, gets hit on constantly throughout her life. I asked her if looks mattered to her, and she said "not really". She's dated 3 guys. All very good-looking. And I've seen unattractive guys try to get with her who actually had good game, and she nicely blew them off.

The problem with SS is it gives guys a false sense of reality. The mentality is "game is all you need, be smooth, etc." Sure an unattractive guy CAN land a hot babe, but for every time that happens, how many ATTRACTIVE guys get the girl? Probably 10 to 1. The ugly guy is the exception, not the rule.

Another thing I notice is people saying "Oh I know plenty of average guys who land hot babes." When in actuality, you're underestimating the guys looks. And you think the girl he's with thinks he's "average?" C'mon.

Anyone here who thinks you just need game and C&F, you're delusional. Sure, some of the stuff sounds good reading it on the internet, but putting it to use in real life is a different story. I challenge any unattractive guy to go up to HB 9 and lay down some game on a cold approach. You WILL get shot down, save the ego hit for another day.

You people have the audacity to say hot girls are shallow b!tches, yet these same people are the ones trying to get into their pants. Ironic isn't it? Anytime I even hear the word "game" subconsciously it reminds me of average guys trying to hook up with women who are out of their league.

To all the guys who are wondering why they couldn't get the number, or if she wasn't interested because you came on too strong, or you weren't confident enough. The truth... is... you weren't good looking enough. Anyone who says different is lying to you, and themselves.

The end.
Bollocks. You sound like some depressed teenager who tried his first approach and got shot down harshly.
 

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Obey Propaganda said:
Now, usually I stay away from these threads, as they're boring and repetitive, but I realized something, looks is the number one thing you need to succeed.

My sister, who is considered very attractive, gets hit on constantly throughout her life. I asked her if looks mattered to her, and she said "not really". She's dated 3 guys. All very good-looking. And I've seen unattractive guys try to get with her who actually had good game, and she nicely blew them off.

The problem with SS is it gives guys a false sense of reality. The mentality is "game is all you need, be smooth, etc." Sure an unattractive guy CAN land a hot babe, but for every time that happens, how many ATTRACTIVE guys get the girl? Probably 10 to 1. The ugly guy is the exception, not the rule.

Another thing I notice is people saying "Oh I know plenty of average guys who land hot babes." When in actuality, you're underestimating the guys looks. And you think the girl he's with thinks he's "average?" C'mon.

Anyone here who thinks you just need game and C&F, you're delusional. Sure, some of the stuff sounds good reading it on the internet, but putting it to use in real life is a different story. I challenge any unattractive guy to go up to HB 9 and lay down some game on a cold approach. You WILL get shot down, save the ego hit for another day.

You people have the audacity to say hot girls are shallow b!tches, yet these same people are the ones trying to get into their pants. Ironic isn't it? Anytime I even hear the word "game" subconsciously it reminds me of average guys trying to hook up with women who are out of their league.

To all the guys who are wondering why they couldn't get the number, or if she wasn't interested because you came on too strong, or you weren't confident enough. The truth... is... you weren't good looking enough. Anyone who says different is lying to you, and themselves.

The end.
The ratio is 10 to 1 because better looking guy's are more confident in them selves then an average looking guy. Therefore they have more experience and practiced there game more.
I disagree with you on looks 100%.
I am 6'3, Slim built, handsome, always wear brand name clothes ( Hugo BOss, Armani, Lacoste, Diesel ) and I still have hard time getting laid just because my confidence sucks and when I was young I wasn't chasing girls I was playing video games. Now that I am in my 20's I realized how much that crap ruined my confidence. I am shy approaching random girls and have great deal of anxiety. I am clumsy on what to say as well when approaching random girls.
Just to prove you wrong here is my picture:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=706128&l=5affc&id=514354198
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=301619&l=5f936&id=514354198
 

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Dole said:
The ratio is 10 to 1 because better looking guy's are more confident in them selves then an average looking guy. Therefore they have more experience and practiced there game more.
I disagree with you on looks 100%.
I am 6'3, Slim built, handsome, always wear brand name clothes ( Hugo BOss, Armani, Lacoste, Diesel ) and I still have hard time getting laid just because my confidence sucks and when I was young I wasn't chasing girls I was playing video games. Now that I am in my 20's I realized how much that crap ruined my confidence. I am shy approaching random girls and have great deal of anxiety. I am clumsy on what to say as well when approaching random girls.
Just to prove you wrong here is my picture:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=706128&l=5affc&id=514354198
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=301619&l=5f936&id=514354198
Hey Lacoste, Diesel boy...

You need an ANALYTICAL THINKING 101 lesson, too.

The OP's claim (WHILE IT IS NOT EVEN WRONG) is that looks are ESSENTIAL in getting laid. The converse logic is not true. Can you get it?

Improve your inner confidence. It's easy to buy clothes

Cheers
 

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Dole said:
The ratio is 10 to 1 because better looking guy's are more confident in them selves then an average looking guy. Therefore they have more experience and practiced there game more.
I disagree with you on looks 100%.
I am 6'3, Slim built, handsome, always wear brand name clothes ( Hugo BOss, Armani, Lacoste, Diesel ) and I still have hard time getting laid just because my confidence sucks and when I was young I wasn't chasing girls I was playing video games. Now that I am in my 20's I realized how much that crap ruined my confidence. I am shy approaching random girls and have great deal of anxiety. I am clumsy on what to say as well when approaching random girls.
Just to prove you wrong here is my picture:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=706128&l=5affc&id=514354198
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=301619&l=5f936&id=514354198
Dole, do you really have trouble getting with women? I find it hard to believe, but I guess you're living proof it's not all about the looks.
 

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krazyboy99 said:
yeah, no homo ur prolly like a 9

the fact that the fat balding chinese guy i posted in my first reply is pulling threesomes while dole is having trouble is proof enough
Yes. From what I remember, looks were especially important in middle school-highschool. The older you get, the more women judge you on other things. All the hot women I personally know date guys who really aren't that great looking. Not ugly, but not spectacular either given that they could get more attractive looking men when they want.

Still it should be said looks count for something, but you can't rely on them to do the work. I know a lot of tool buckets who have anti social personalities but think by lifting weights and getting a physique will turn everything around...hardly.
 

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Hey Lacoste, Diesel boy...

You need an ANALYTICAL THINKING 101 lesson, too.

The OP's claim (WHILE IT IS NOT EVEN WRONG) is that looks are ESSENTIAL in getting laid. The converse logic is not true. Can you get it?

Improve your inner confidence. It's easy to buy clothes

Cheers
I know what I have to work on, that's why I am here getting answers.

Dole, do you really have trouble getting with women? I find it hard to believe, but I guess you're living proof it's not all about the looks.
Yes I do have trouble with woman. Usually meeting random girl's and approaching them at the club is my biggest problem. I have never tried a cold approach in my life either ( I am too shy, no confidence, and I get brain fart as what to say ).

Also my standards are high, I don't bother trying to talk to girls under 8, 7.5 rarely. If I am not attracted to a girl's facial structure I will not bother talking to her. Shallow I know and this is the reason my game sucks and I have no self confidence because I never practice on girl's that are below 7. I always say I will but I never keep my word.
 

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Dole said:
I know what I have to work on, that's why I am here getting answers.


Yes I do have trouble with woman. Usually meeting random girl's and approaching them at the club is my biggest problem. I have never tried a cold approach in my life either ( I am too shy, no confidence, and I get brain fart as what to say ).

"Hey, what's up? My name's Dole. How's your evening going?"

She responds.

"Hey, (name) nice to meet you."
...then take off and run with the conversation.
 

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Dole said:
I know what I have to work on, that's why I am here getting answers.


Yes I do have trouble with woman. Usually meeting random girl's and approaching them at the club is my biggest problem. I have never tried a cold approach in my life either ( I am too shy, no confidence, and I get brain fart as what to say ).
What about other places beside the club? Even if you are good looking you can expect to get rejected at the club a lot...a lot of times that's the reason they go to them in the first place, to be hit on and reject guys because they think their such hot ****. Until you sort out your confidence issues I would actually reccomend you avoid the clubs for this reason.
 
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